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Orange Elite [5410]
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Joe Biden pardoning #### Cheneys daughter
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Dec 18, 2024, 11:24 PM
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Is surreal
The daughter of the most loathed Republican before there was Donald Trump
Amazing how the DNC became the war hawk party that’s owned by Raytheon
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Clemson Conqueror [11422]
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Re: Joe Biden pardoning #### Cheneys daughter
Dec 18, 2024, 11:26 PM
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She is her own person.
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Orange Elite [5410]
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Sounds like you got daddy issues
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Dec 18, 2024, 11:32 PM
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Too??
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Clemson Conqueror [11422]
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Re: Sounds like you got daddy issues
Dec 18, 2024, 11:38 PM
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Sorry... No idea what you are ramblnng about.
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Game Day Hero [4228]
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Re: Joe Biden pardoning #### Cheneys daughter
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Dec 19, 2024, 5:57 AM
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Not pardoned yet is she? I don’t see any news on it. Of course we know it’s coming.
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Clemson Conqueror [11422]
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Re: Joe Biden pardoning #### Cheneys daughter
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Dec 19, 2024, 5:59 AM
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Sad she even has to deal with any of it, but she did the right thing from what I have seen. She will be fine though.
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Game Day Hero [4228]
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Re: Joe Biden pardoning #### Cheneys daughter
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Dec 19, 2024, 6:25 AM
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Well if she’s innocent she doesn’t need a pardon. Pardons are for the guilty.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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That's BS
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Dec 19, 2024, 7:47 AM
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Trump has made it clear he plans to weaponize the DOJ against people who stood up against him. The whole "you don't have to worry if you didn't do anything wrong" argument is always BS, but especially with Trump and his people.
Cheney did the right thing and put country before politics.
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Game Day Hero [4228]
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Re: That's BS
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Dec 19, 2024, 7:51 AM
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Trump wants people who abused the justice system to be held accountable. If Liz does not fall into that category she has nothing to worry about.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Nobody who held Trump accountable "abused the justice system"
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:02 AM
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He broke the law, and if anything, they were too gentle on him. If they had gotten off their ##### and worked harder for the past four years, we'd have this fat idiot in prison.
And no, you're incorrect about Trump's views on Cheney. He's stated numerous times he wants to go after her as payback.
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Game Day Hero [4228]
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Re: Nobody who held Trump accountable "abused the justice system"
Dec 19, 2024, 8:09 AM
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Keep believing that. Thank God Trump is soon to be back.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Yep, that's the problem with y'all. Putting a man before country.***
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:14 AM
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Game Day Hero [4228]
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Re: Yep, that's the problem with y'all. Putting a man before country.***
Dec 19, 2024, 8:21 AM
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Yeah we just suck in your opinion. Of course that tells me we’re on the right side.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Hey, if you're in love with a man who doesn't give two ##### about you
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:28 AM
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That's your business. Have fun.
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Game Day Hero [4228]
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Re: Hey, if you're in love with a man who doesn't give two ##### about you
Dec 19, 2024, 9:23 AM
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I believe I will. Thanks.
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Re: Hey, if you're in love with a man who doesn't give two ##### about you
Dec 19, 2024, 1:41 PM
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When you pray to Orange Jesus tonight, make sure to ask for the other half of your brain back. You aren't functioning well without it.
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Try for once not to be stupid
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:28 AM
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The Democrats are idiots and I don't support them. Trumpkins who think people support the Democrats because they don't support Trump are the dumbest of his bunch.
And the Dems aren't the ones trying to worship a fat idiot dictator.
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Game Day Hero [4228]
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Re: Try for once not to be stupid
Dec 19, 2024, 9:50 AM
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You having a bad day? It’s nice outside. I’m going for a hike. Want to come?
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Re: Try for once not to be stupid
Dec 19, 2024, 10:02 AM
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Can we change it to a golf cart ride with beer?
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Dynasty Maker [3386]
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Re: Try for once not to be stupid
Dec 19, 2024, 10:26 AM
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I’m down
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Game Day Hero [4228]
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Re: Try for once not to be stupid
Dec 19, 2024, 10:29 AM
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I haven’t played golf in 20 years. I used to play a lot. As long as you don’t mind me spending most of my time in woods and ponds it would be cool.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Let's skip losing the balls (I suck too)
Dec 19, 2024, 11:56 AM
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And just cruise around on the cart with beer.
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Game Day Hero [4228]
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Re: Let's skip losing the balls (I suck too)
Dec 19, 2024, 12:17 PM
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Will they let us do that? I don’t see why not??
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Clemson Conqueror [11422]
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Re: That's BS
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Dec 19, 2024, 9:00 AM
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No he doesn't. He wants to go after people that didn't support his actions. That's all. He considers everyone en enemy that didn't support him. She was always in the right. Now he would like to go after her or would welcome others doing so in his name.
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Orange Elite [5410]
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She did exactly what her handlers at Raytheon
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:08 AM
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General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman told her to do
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Did they tell her to go after a big fat criminal who hates America?***
Dec 19, 2024, 8:09 AM
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Orange Elite [5410]
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Lets be real here for a second and discuss these guys biz model
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:23 AM
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Liz Cheney doesn’t open her mouth or cast a vote without the approval of the defense contractors
They know that the DOGE is coming at them full force to cut wasteful defense spending.
If you saw a defense contract, you would understand. Raytheon wins a contract and then they got a sub out chunks to Lockheed, Northrop, and General Dynamics. They those guys go around and sub out parts of that work to the same group. And they all take 25% at every point along the way.
Now, you may be ok with this, but don’t fool yourself - there are billions of I’ll gotten profits on the line
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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A few things
Dec 19, 2024, 8:26 AM
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1. That may be true about Cheney; doesn't change the fact that she did the right thing in standing against Trump.
2. The DOGE isn't touching them. It isn't touching the Pentagon. Not unless Musk and his munchkin sidekick really want to feel pain. I'm not saying it's right, but that's one area they're not messing with. And let's be honest, the GOP isn't going to let them. Hell, Trump isn't going to let them. Let's not be naïve.
3. In fact, the DOGE isn't going to accomplish much. It will be wasteful spending in itself, and much of what it wants to target is already required spending. It's a dog and pony show.
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Wrong! Once they post some of that BS online, the public will speak. The
Dec 20, 2024, 8:28 AM
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massive grifts of the past will see some scrutiny very soon.
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Eric Holder says hello***
Dec 19, 2024, 9:35 AM
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cata never
Dec 19, 2024, 7:00 PM
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tires of being wrong.
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You never tire of having the writing skills of a 3rd grader.***
Dec 20, 2024, 8:30 AM
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Good. He should. It would be one of his few good ones
Dec 19, 2024, 7:47 AM
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Her only crime was standing up against the evil of Trump and his loyalists. Of course, y'all want that to be a crime in America.
Look at the big fat orange baby trying to go after an Iowa newspaper because of a poll. A poll. What a fat, pathetic, wannabe dictator.
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Her crime was treason.***
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:09 AM
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Nope, it wasn't.
Dec 19, 2024, 8:16 AM
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Not surprised you have no knowledge of the law.
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."
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Orange Elite [5410]
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You should know the fine line between treason and patriot
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:31 AM
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Is whether you win or lose
Our founding fathers understood this well
Interestingly the Democrats strategic error was in the same vane. They put Trump in a corner where his only options were to win or be a political prisoner. They burned his bridge for him
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Treason is NOT opposing a political leader
Dec 19, 2024, 9:32 AM
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Or even, if it happens, breaking the law in an effort to oppose them.
Treason is very clearly when you actively work to harm the United States in collusion with a foreign enemy, such as turning on the country in war time. The definition has always been clear.
Anyone who throws that word around with politicians who stand against other politicians is himself a danger to America.
Trump was far closer to treason than any of these other politicians.
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Re: Good. He should. It would be one of his few good ones
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:13 AM
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If you believe Trump will somehow be able to throw people in prison just because they stood up to him, then a pardon from a previous President isn't going to do any good. Of course we've all been told the DOJ is not political and only goes after people who have broken the law.
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Maybe it won't.
Dec 19, 2024, 8:15 AM
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Those of y'all who think it's not a potential danger haven't been listening to what Trump says and are willfully embracing ignorance of what his followers say.
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Re: Maybe it won't.
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:21 AM
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I'm going off his previous record as President. No one was thrown in prison for politically defying him. He didn't even go after whistle blowers as the Obama administration did.
Now, if Cheney tampered with witnesses and violated the law, then they need to send the Feds in and bust open her door and arrest her and prosecute her to the fullest extent of law. Wouldn't you agree?
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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How many times does this have to be said...
Dec 19, 2024, 8:36 AM
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To this statement: "I'm going off his previous record as President. No one was thrown in prison for politically defying him."
There were people in place and checks to prevent him from doing this. That's not happening this time. He's making it clear he's on a revenge tour and he's putting people in power who will do whatever he wants--or he'll just let them do it. Now, I fully admit I may be completely off here and I hope I am. But y'all are treating this too lightly this go round, and Trump has made it very clear that this round will be a different admin in many, many ways.
Now, if Cheney tampered with witnesses and violated the law, then they need to send the Feds in and bust open her door and arrest her and prosecute her to the fullest extent of law. Wouldn't you agree?
If she legitimately broke the law, prosecute her. But I'll have a hard time believing it's legitimate.
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Re: How many times does this have to be said...
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:50 AM
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So, Trump is going to do away with the courts? I haven't heard anything about that.
I do remember when he made a nighttime speech in a dystopian environment, with a couple Marines standing behind him, and threatened a good portion of the country. Oh, wait...different guy. But don't worry, if the Trump DOJ is actually as heavy handed as the Biden administration (and state surrogates) to political enemies, then I'll be on this board railing against that too.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Oh. A cheap whatabout
Dec 19, 2024, 8:53 AM
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Yeah, Biden's dumb speech is completely irrelevant to this topic. C'mon.
We have an incoming president who says he thinks he can and doesn't have a problem with using the military against citizens, and he's doubled down on the statement. And that's far worse than Biden's speech.
Perhaps courts won't be the issue.
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Re: Oh. A cheap whatabout
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Dec 19, 2024, 9:01 AM
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It's a comparison, and I'm just wondering why some people are just now concerned about political DOJ/FBI abuse. This has been going on for a while.
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Dec 19, 2024, 9:04 AM
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Cat, I like you and in many ways we share many of the same political views. Neither of us is comfortable with Trump or the Dems, but no, I'm not worried about a dictatorship under Trump.
Most of the Dems aren't either, as Gavin, Gretchen and Kamala are already formulating plans for a potential 2028 run to replace, yes, replace Trump. I don't see Dem members of Congress fleeing.
They aren't consolidating their money and making plans to emigrate to Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland, etc..
You can bet DJT will push some envelopes, but there will be no dictatorship under Trump.
As to the DOJ, it was weaponized under Biden against Trump, with the number 3 man at the DOJ dropping out to go help fat Alvin and some of the brilliant ATL DA office lawyers met with Biden's boys in the WH.
I think Cheney's motivations were pure. She had nothing to gain by going after Trump, but if indeed she had improper contact with some of the witnesses, she needs to be held accountable.
Honestly, if you truly think there is a strong possibility of Trump becoming a dictator, what is holding you to SC? Get out while you can because there's a world of anti Trump rhetoric from you that is accessible to the Trump team.
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Re: How many times does this have to be said...
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Dec 19, 2024, 9:13 AM
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I think Trump 2 is going to be a complete #### show, but I'm much more worried about the incompetency of his cabinet picks than I am of him throwing people in prison.
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Re: How many times does this have to be said...
Dec 19, 2024, 9:27 AM
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I hope you're correct but he is quickly amassing a lot of #### people around him to put in power, and his motivation this time around seems to be bent mostly on vengeance.
Warning signs I see:
-He's already going after one newspaper for simply having a poll that says Harris was in the lead. Expect even worse if he's successful and other papers criticize him.
-People who opposed him in the past seem more frightened to do so now.
-The continued threats to completely gut the DoD. The Pentagon put hard brakes on him in 2020 from attempting martial law or some type of military coup. He'll make sure only loyalists are there this time around.
-His comments about using the military against citizens.
-Promises to imprison political rivals. I can see a scenario where he and his ilk set it up so all opposition has to either comply or face this, and thus no one will take a stand. Look at how many people in his own party are frightened; the Liz Cheney stuff is to send a message to them to comply.
-Enlisting the likes of Musk, who clearly has a sinister agenda that goes beyond our government. There's a reason he wants our structure weakened and it's certainly not from a good place in his heart.
-He and his loyalists continued statements that our real enemy is within, not foreign. That didn't happen in the first admin. Couple that with idiots you see here (they're all over America) who thinks anyone who doesn't love Trump is an evil leftist enemy of America.
-Which brings me to the next part: the citizenry that worships him. Not the average voter but the hardliners who think Trump is the second coming. They're waiting for the green light to have open season on other Americans. Get em drunk enough and make them think you're on their side and watch what they say.
Honestly, if you truly think there is a strong possibility of Trump becoming a dictator, what is holding you to SC? Get out while you can because there's a world of anti Trump rhetoric from you that is accessible to the Trump team.
I already have multiple plans in place if #### goes south. I'm still holding onto hope that I'm dead wrong.
I get it that this may be over the top, but I'll also note there are mass graves filled throughout the world of people who sat back and thought everything would be okay.
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Re: Maybe it won't.
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After Michael Cohen was prosecuted by Trump's DOJ for following orders from Trump, he served part of his time and was released on parole. He then wrote a book that pissed the fat orange POS off and Trump had him thrown back in prison for "breaking parole." A court had to release him. So when people say Trump never had people thrown in prison to satisfy his thirst for revenge, they don't know what they are talking about.
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Re: Maybe it won't.
Dec 19, 2024, 1:58 PM
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Being released from prison to home confinement and refusing to abide by the agreement (that included home monitoring) will generally get people sent back to prison.
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Re: Good. He should. It would be one of his few good ones
Dec 19, 2024, 1:57 PM
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The same pardon he gave Hunter will insulate them from any federal charge except murder, terrorism, or sexual offenses against a child (if the victim is alive or has been deceased less than 10 years). Trump will have to fabricate new crimes that occur after the pardon.
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Re: Good. He should. It would be one of his few good ones
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If Trump is supposedly going to have all these people in place to throw his enemies in prison, then a pardon won't be worth the paper it's written on.
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Re: Good. He should. It would be one of his few good ones
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They still have to use laws that are on the books. He thinks he is a king, but his people will use actual laws. The longest statute of limitations, outside of those three exceptions, is 10 years.
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Re: Good. He should. It would be one of his few good ones
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But you miss his big point. He wants indictments and attempted prosecutions whether they are valid or not. Number 1, to keep discrediting the justice system in the eyes of all his moron followers; Number 2, to cost his "enemies" all their savings and hopefully bankrupt some of them.
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Re: Good. He should. It would be one of his few good ones
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Dec 19, 2024, 5:02 PM
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So what's new?
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I believe the correct analysis is that isn't it sad so many Republicans...
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put Trump ahead of the country and then so aggressively attack someone willing to put the country ahead of their party and personal political ambitions. To the point that an exiting POTUS from the other party is considering pardoning a political rival to spare her from revenge of an incoming POTUS from her own party.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Trump worshippers on and off this board have made it clear
Dec 19, 2024, 7:52 AM
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They want everyone--and they mean everyone--to honor Trump or face actual legal consequences for refusing to do so.
People are naïve if they think this level of retribution won't be extended to private citizens in some shape once they're done targeting politicians and the media.
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Campus Hero [13330]
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Nice to know
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Dec 19, 2024, 7:56 AM
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this dude is in solidarity with Rachel Maddow and Mika Brezenski.
Always good to hear the MSNBC take on things.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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I haven't watched a minute of MSNBC in probably a decade
Dec 19, 2024, 8:04 AM
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But I'm sure the people you mention are just basing their opinions on Trump's statements and the behavior of his imbecile followers (you) who think anyone who doesn't support Dear Leader needs to be prosecuted.
Remember when you called for people who opposed the Iraq war and criticized Bush to be prosecuted?
Oh yeah. You'll lie about that and claim you didn't do it.
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Orange Elite [5410]
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Just curious.
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:09 AM
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Where do you get your news from?
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Why would you care?
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:17 AM
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Asst Coach [819]
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Ultimate Tiger [33730]
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It's a lot easier to post crap like this than to actually argue the point...
Dec 19, 2024, 8:49 AM
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isn't it?
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All-In [10770]
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If she broke the law while coming after Trump via the J6 committee and Biden
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Dec 19, 2024, 9:12 AM
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pardons her for that - The Dems have sunk to level they say Trump resides.
"Take Trump down by all means necessary (legal or otherwise) - if it doesn't work out, I'll pardon you."
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Ultimate Tiger [33730]
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Except the claims by the house GOP are complete BS...
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Dec 19, 2024, 1:04 PM
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They're claiming Cheney tampered with a witness.
The witness (Cassidy Hutchinson) contacted Cheney to complain that her Trump appointed/paid lawyer was urging her not to testify again / not give detailed answers and claim she didn't remember...when she did remember. So Cheney recommended a different lawyer to enable Hutchinson to testify.
Witness tampering statute says:
(B) cause or induce any person to—
(i) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(ii) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the integrity or availability of the object for use in an official proceeding;
(iii) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(iv) be absent from an official proceeding to which that person has been summoned by legal process; or
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hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, supervised release, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be punished as provided in paragraph (3)
I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure trying to help someone testify is not witness tampering in this sense.
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Clemson Icon [26664]
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Well maybe, if your testimony is refuted as perjury by people who were actually
Dec 20, 2024, 8:42 AM
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present... Doubling down on third-hand hearsay is specious at best. Her testimony was choreographed BS from the start.
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Orange Beast [6579]
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Re: Joe Biden pardoning #### Cheneys daughter
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:53 AM
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Anybody who thinks Liz Cheney is some kind of hero is a propagandized moron
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Clemson Conqueror [11422]
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Re: Joe Biden pardoning #### Cheneys daughter
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Dec 19, 2024, 10:29 AM
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She did the right thing. That's for sure. As far as a hero, that would be using the word hero too freely. She did the right thing.
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Clemson Icon [26664]
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No. She tried to give BS testimony gravitas... She's as much a liar as Daddy.***
Dec 20, 2024, 8:44 AM
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Clemson Conqueror [11422]
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Re: No. She tried to give BS testimony gravitas... She's as much a liar as Daddy.***
Dec 20, 2024, 10:40 AM
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I realize she doesn't support your cult leader and that bothers you, but she did do the right thing. As far as her father, yeah he is a piece.
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Clemson Icon [26664]
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She backed third-hand testimony, later refuted, as if it were fact... BS.
Dec 20, 2024, 1:17 PM
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I currently disagree with some of T-Rump's decisions including signing the current iteration of this Bill... I don't have a "cult leader".
Haven't and never will... I decide my support for issues on a case-by-case basis, regardless of Party or President.
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Associate AD [1056]
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Its good to see the two parties come together to
Dec 19, 2024, 12:14 PM
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do as much as possible to neutralize a much larger threat to the nation.
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All-In [10999]
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Re: Joe Biden pardoning #### Cheneys daughter
Dec 19, 2024, 7:20 PM
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seems like it would not hold water
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Clemson Icon [26664]
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Screw Cheney and his spawn.***
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Dec 20, 2024, 8:45 AM
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All-In [10999]
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Re: Screw Cheney and his spawn.***
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Dec 20, 2024, 10:38 AM
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doubt that you can pardon crimes without going through the process of filing charges
if that were the case, trump could just pardon all people in red states and greenland
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Clemson Icon [26664]
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Canada too, after he adopts them...***
Dec 20, 2024, 10:42 AM
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Asst Coach [819]
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Re: Screw Cheney and his spawn.***
Dec 20, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Biden just did that with his son. Pardoned him of any federal crime he may have committed over the last 10 years, in addition to the tax and gun charges. Blanket pardon is the term. That's needed because Trump and the douche-bag patrol will comb through federal law to to find anything to charge one of the non-believers.
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Asst Coach [819]
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Re: Screw Cheney and his spawn.***
Dec 20, 2024, 12:14 PM
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I see that blanket pardon can also mean a pardon of multiple people. There are those lobbying Biden to give a blanket pardon to all the dreamers. It can't stop their eventual deportation, but the process has to start all over. Immigration court would have to issue the civil order to remove and the appeals process would have to be exhausted before anything on the criminal side could start.
Be honest with yourselves. Some of those dreamers are paramedics, firemen, etc. Far more valuable to the country than half the Trumper trash.
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