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For those worried about recruiting in general
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Dec 4, 2024, 9:10 AM
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Here's all of Dabo's classes (minus 2009 because 247 doesn't have the data) and their average rating
2010 85.94
2011 87.17
2012 89.03
2013 88.46
2014 88.69
2015 89.12
2016 90.30
2017 92.10
2018 93.45
2019 89.98
2020 93.56
2021 94.05
2022 89.83
2023 90.78
2024 90.63
2025 90.41
Thus far 2025 would be ranked 7th of Dabo's 17 classes.
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Game Changer [1704]
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Dec 4, 2024, 9:20 AM
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Yep 👍
but, it doesn't matter with alot of these tnet peeps; it doesn't fit in with their pathetic, sad narrative/agenda
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Ring of Honor [22317]
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there's things to be legit negative about but recruiting quality of player isn't
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Dec 4, 2024, 9:21 AM
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one of them. Roster management? Sure that's a problem.
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Re: there's things to be legit negative about but recruiting quality of player isn't
Dec 4, 2024, 8:39 PM
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That’s what we get for hiring a cheerleader as our coach, who had never even been a coordinator.
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Re: For those worried about recruiting in general
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Dec 4, 2024, 9:33 AM
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I am sure the quality of the 2025 class is just fine. Quantity is our biggest concern. We need more depth at almost every position.
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What are the class rankings for those years?**
Dec 4, 2024, 9:34 AM
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Nm
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Ring of Honor [22317]
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I think you're missing the point...***
Dec 4, 2024, 2:16 PM
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Ring of Honor [22317]
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But I'll bite anyway
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Dec 4, 2024, 2:37 PM
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| Year | # | Avg | Class Rank | Avg Player Rank | | 2010 | 24 | 85.94 | 27 | 29 | | 2011 | 30 | 87.17 | 10 | 17 | | 2012 | 20 | 89.03 | 20 | 15 | | 2013 | 23 | 88.46 | 15 | 15 | | 2014 | 20 | 88.69 | 16 | 15 | | 2015 | 26 | 89.12 | 9 | 12 | | 2016 | 21 | 90.3 | 11 | 9 | | 2017 | 14 | 92.1 | 16 | 5 | | 2018 | 17 | 93.45 | 7 | 4 | | 2019 | 29 | 89.98 | 10 | 16 | | 2020 | 23 | 93.56 | 3 | 2 | | 2021 | 19 | 94.05 | 5 | 3 | | 2022 | 21 | 89.83 | 10 | 14 | | 2023 | 26 | 90.78 | 11 | 15 | | 2024 | 22 | 90.63 | 11 | 16 | | 2025 | 14 | 90.41 | 30 | 15 |
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All-American [583]
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Thanks.
Dec 4, 2024, 2:44 PM
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So an average ranking of 6.25 between 2017-2020 (which pre-dated transfer changes) to 15 between 2021-2024.
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The portal came into play in October, 2018.***
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Dec 4, 2024, 2:48 PM
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All-American [583]
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The portal did but the one-time transfer exception to FB didnt until 21***
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Dec 4, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Game Changer [1607]
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And 2019 was a class of 30 by far the largest****
Dec 4, 2024, 8:25 PM
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All-American [583]
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Im not. I know the point youre trying to make.
Dec 4, 2024, 2:41 PM
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But that’s only one part of the story. The other is how those numbers stack up against the competition.
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Ring of Honor [22317]
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Except I did answer his question***
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Dec 4, 2024, 3:36 PM
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Dec 4, 2024, 9:55 AM
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The major problem is dabo is not using the portal to fill major gaps. Like everyone else is. Thats why we had to trot out a beat up Mafa vs the coots. No excuse for that!
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Clemson Icon [24519]
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Re: For those worried about recruiting in general
Dec 4, 2024, 3:54 PM
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😭
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Dec 4, 2024, 5:48 PM
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We could’ve used Jay Haynes. We’ve got some depth at running back - just not experience. Jay Haynes should’ve had more touches but did not.
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Re: For those worried about recruiting in general
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Dec 4, 2024, 9:56 AM
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We are killing it in recruiting this year. We are set.
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All-American [596]
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Dec 4, 2024, 3:53 PM
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😂 7th rated class in the ACC 😂
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Ring of Honor [22317]
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We're 4th
Dec 4, 2024, 3:54 PM
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2nd in average star rating.
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Game Changer [1607]
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A tiny class helped by lack of too many 3 stars to pull it down****
Dec 4, 2024, 8:32 PM
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Re: For those worried about recruiting in general
Dec 4, 2024, 2:14 PM
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Great, so we’re getting talent nust squandering it now with totally unqualified coaches.
Need to go day 1 of offseason;
Grish
Wes
Batson (he can stay on a 4Q video coordinator)
Stout
D. Swinney
Gilchrist (can our ST be any worse?)
Short leash based on postseason;
Riley (either sh*tty play calling or no backbone)
CJ (hate to put him here but cmon RBs have not been doing well)
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Dec 4, 2024, 7:09 PM
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Nailed it Braves Fan 👏
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Commissioner [1280]
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Dec 4, 2024, 2:14 PM
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Great, so we’re still getting talent just squandering it now with totally unqualified coaches.
Need to go day 1 of offseason;
Grish
Wes
Batson (he can stay on a 4Q video coordinator)
Stout
D. Swinney
Gilchrist (can our ST be any worse?)
Short leash based on postseason;
Riley (either sh*tty play calling or no backbone)
CJ (hate to put him here but cmon RBs have not been doing well)
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Game Day Hero [4221]
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Concern this year is numbers.***
Dec 4, 2024, 2:39 PM
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National Champion [8068]
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We are at 90 - we signed 5 over based on a guess on how many may leave that
Dec 4, 2024, 4:43 PM
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still have eligibility. Should we have gone 10-15 over to just satisfy some narrative?
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Re: We are at 90 - we signed 5 over based on a guess on how many may leave that
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Dec 4, 2024, 5:34 PM
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Yes. And we should encourage a lot of transfers out. A quick glance at the scholarship distribution will show at least 10 players who are far enough in their careers to have shown something, and have not, and should move on.
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Clemson Conqueror [11106]
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Re: We are at 90 - we signed 5 over based on a guess on how many may leave that
Dec 4, 2024, 5:59 PM
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For the Clemson Culture value proposition to be sincere (especially in the perception of those players who chose Clemson instead of some other flashier school), Dabo cannot be running off players that have failed to live up to on-the-field performance expectations, despite being players who do the work that they are supposed to and behave responsibly in school & as citizens.
The ‘good players’ are as likely to be friends with the rarely-play teammates as they are with the star teammates.
Therefore, we don’t run them off, and we are not telling the under-performing players that they’ll never play. The hope is that the under-performing players will really want to play football, but realize that they’ll never break into the two-deep before their eligibility has expired. Those guys are the ones, of their own accord, that transfer out.
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Re: We are at 90 - we signed 5 over based on a guess on how many may leave that
Dec 4, 2024, 6:11 PM
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That’s all nice in theory, but if you’re going to continue to hand out scholarships to players that are projects from the beginning, then unfortunately, that’s a discussion that needs to be had down the line. Also, there’s absolutely no reason a son of a coach, or administrator, should have a scholarship on the team. Even if they’re really good, they can afford the tuition, and save the roster spot.
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Re: For those worried about recruiting in general
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Of course player average rating will be higher with only 14 commits. That’s close to half of what almost everybody is going to sign regardless of how much we’re losing or not losing.
You can’t sign a recruiting class of 14 and not expect depth issues to come up repeatedly over the next couple of years.
Will this impact next years team? Probably not
Will it have a major impact in 2/3 years? Absolutely
Quality has never been an issue but quantity is a huge issue right now and going forward unless we change our approach… we’re going to start trending down in quality as well
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Clemson Conqueror [11106]
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Re: For those worried about recruiting in general
Dec 4, 2024, 6:06 PM
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Remember the ‘Dandy Dozen’ of Dabo’s 2009 signing class? Numbers were low but quality was high. Tajh Boyd was in that class. After his 2010 season, when he was the not-ready-to-play backup to Kyle Parker, he became the star QB that led Clemson FB into earning the reputation where gun-slinger QBs could thrive.
I’m convinced that Tajh Boyd’s presence … especially outstanding Sr year … in 2023 was key in attracting DeShaun Watson to choose Clemson.
Small recruiting classes of high quality recruits can be survived as long as the subsequent recruiting classes are full sized.
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The average is great, but if you're not at or above replacement level, you're going in the wrong direction. We're going to backfill those open spots with walk-ons who, while I'm sure they've worked extremely hard, are not worthy of a scholarship to play football at Clemson. We've already seen the drop off in play from the starters to the backups, and that will only get worse if we're filling out the roster with kids not good enough to play at this level.
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What open spots?***
Dec 4, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Re: What open spots?***
Dec 4, 2024, 5:26 PM
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Once all the transfers, graduating seniors, retiring players, and draft eligible players leave, there will be many open spots. This year was expected to be a class of 22-24, and we took 15. We’ll also have players leave after the spring, just like we have every year. There will be plenty of spots open that we fill with a project from Daniel High or something similar. Also, we’ve got a lot of dead weight on the roster that should be encouraged to transfer, and that was on full display when we would sub entire units during blowouts.
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This year's class was max in the teens
Dec 4, 2024, 5:40 PM
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and you can't sign anyone until they actually do transfer out. What underclassmen is going pro this year? Or anyone with eligibility left who can declare?
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Re: This year's class was max in the teens
Dec 4, 2024, 6:08 PM
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No, you absolutely can sign them, they just don’t enroll until the spring. Coaches have been over signing classes since scholarship limits were introduced. Scholarships are renewed annually, so you start any walk-ons who were given scholarships for the year while they were open. Any player who’s parent is a coach or administrator at the school, should also not take a scholarship spot, so players like Pearman, Young, Venables, etc. should all be walkons so as to not count against the numbers. Next, encourage players like Noble Johnson, Tink Kelly, Jarvis Green and others that have been passed by younger players to transfer for a fresh start. Other players like Pennington, Patterson, Trent Howard should be encouraged to retire or become student coaches.
I understand these are tough decisions, but they’re decisions that need to be made.
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It truly is mind "bottling" people cannot grasp this
Dec 4, 2024, 5:26 PM
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Until some guys transfer out or decide to head to the NFL, we have no available spots. Should know more on the transfer front next week I'd guess
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Re: It truly is mind "bottling" people cannot grasp this
Dec 4, 2024, 5:39 PM
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Well, let’s be honest here though, if we weren’t giving scholarships to guys like Watson Young, Paul Tyson, and Trent Pearman or keeping players like Patterson around (not singling them out, just naming a few), then we’d actually have the flexibility we should. Some act like we don’t see this same song and dance every year, as well as guys transferring in the spring and their scholarship being given to a walk on.
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Re: It truly is mind "bottling" people cannot grasp this
Dec 4, 2024, 6:17 PM
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Those who you listed had no bearing as to why this year’s class is so small.
We had some high quality verbal commits that decommitted that were not replaced. We really didn’t need DBs in this class, although getting one high quality CB and one high quality Safety is always a good thing that we try to strive to add to our already full-up position group. Quite frankly, if we had kept Tae Harris from bolting, I doubt we’d have tried so hard to get You g (who also ended up as a decommittment).
Our most glaring recruiting miss was DE. We wanted at least two; we got only one.
Our second most glaring miss was LB. Surely we wanted more than one.
PREDICTION: We will vigorously pursue a portal DE player. I could also see us vigorously pursuing a portal LB.
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Re: It truly is mind "bottling" people cannot grasp this
Dec 4, 2024, 6:26 PM
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I wasn’t listing all the ones I see, but just a small sample size. If we’re going to take smaller classes, as we’ve been doing while guys are using their Covid year, then we have to hit at a high rate. Unfortunately, we have a lot of misses on this team form Cade Denhoff and Zaire at DE which is hurting us now, to guys like Tink and Noble in the WR room that are being passed by younger players. We’ve also got guys that will never play due to injuries, that I wish we’d move to a student coaching role.
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Gridiron Giant [15398]
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Re: For those worried about recruiting in general
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Dec 4, 2024, 3:48 PM
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Whatever. It's not up to snuff to win another title. Not close.
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Dec 4, 2024, 3:52 PM
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Dude.
Clemson signed the 7th rated class in the acc. SMH
Since when did Clemson sign a class that low I. The acc.
Let that sink in. The acc not national
Things havre to change quickly.
Miami
Ga tech
Smu
FSU
duke
Syracuse
Then Clemson
Smh.
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Solid Orange [1365]
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Re: For those worried about recruiting in general
Dec 4, 2024, 4:13 PM
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Here's the thing. You can't look at these numbers in a vacuum. It's not about "What is our average rating per recruit?" It's about how our average rating per recruit actually compares with (1) everyone else, and (2) our opponents/competition. Here is how our average rating per recruit actually shakes out, if you want to be more accurate.
2010 #29
2011 #17
2012 #14
2013 #15
2014 #15
2015 #11
2016 #8
2017 #5
2018 #4
2019 #15
2020 #2
2021 #3
2022 #14
2023 #15
2024 #16
2025 #17
So, if you look at how our average rating compares to other teams, this year's class is tied for Dabo's second-worst ever. That's a far more helpful metric than looking at raw numbers.
Also, the number of recruits you have is important. If you have 30 recruits and another team has 14, that other team might have a slightly higher average rating per recruit, but the class with 30 has a much higher chance of getting undervalued players, because they're getting more bites at the apple. The fact that we used to have such high per-recruit averages was more important than our raw numbers, because we had the fewest decommitments in the nation and no one transferred from Clemson. That's no longer the case. You now have to realize you won't be retaining every player. So yes, we are the 17th highest rated class per recruit while South Carolina is the 22nd. But South Carolina has 25 total recruits, including 5 more blue-chip players.
You also have to remember we're not going to be using the portal to supplement those players like the other teams ranked around us. Florida State is almost tied with us in per recruit ranking, but they have more commitments and we all know they'll be using the portal a #### ton. That may or may not mean they end up with more talented starters. It's impossible to know. But what we do know is they'll have much more functional depth on their roster. We have been signing tiny classes, losing players to the portal without replacing them, and then we've ended up with massive depth issues in our team when injuries happen. We used to be next man up because our recruiting strategy worked for the old CFB landscape. Now there is an enormous dropoff at maybe every position on the field when going from the starter to the backup.
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I'd say it compares pretty well, because our stars stay, others don't
Dec 4, 2024, 4:57 PM
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https://247sports.com/Season/2024-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/
only 7 guys off of this year's team exhausted eligibility. Do you think our overall talent compared to others is going to change much for next year from that link above? I think the guys we are bringing in are as good if not better than the ones leaving were/are rated. Stellato has entered TP. No one else has announced yet that they are leaving early. We had 2 guys leave coming out of spring. So signing 15, we are at 90 on an 85 scholarship limit. There will be more guys that leave. Maybe A. Williams and Capehart to NFL Draft, possibly T.Williams gives it a shot. Any others will likely be back-ups that aren't positioned well. If we lose more than 5 more then we will probably hit the portal. May hit it anyway for an immediate DE or 2 - that's the spot we should.
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Re: I'd say it compares pretty well, because our stars stay, others don't
Dec 4, 2024, 7:17 PM
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1. I think there's a risk that we lose more players to the portal once our season is over, and I think they'll be in positions where we could have or should gained more depth. I also think we have too few linemen.
2. I don't believe we'll seriously hit the portal. If we were, we'd already be talking to offensive linemen/Kelby Collins.
3. The scholarship limit is 105 in July. You could easily exceed 85 in this recruiting class. You just don't have them as early enrollees. Dabo likes to get those extra practices in, but we could have gone after a bigger class, only allowed certain ones to early enroll, and then exceed 85 come July/August.
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Doesn't matter.
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Dec 4, 2024, 5:44 PM
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The TP has reduced the importance of recruiting. It also artificially reduces the recruiting rankings of teams that use the portal a lot.
This has a tinge of GIGO to it.
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Ring of Honor [23218]
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We should just sign one 5-star and nobody else... a 99 avg rating.
Dec 4, 2024, 7:05 PM
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