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Ring of Honor [21705]
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Tariffs....and the Presidency
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Mar 27, 2025, 7:30 AM
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It seems odd that a President can just decide to throw tariffs on products so easily. I am not knocking Trump on this, but it just seems odd that we could elect someone like, let's say, Kim Kardashian or Carrot Top, as President, and that person can decide issues so out of the realm of their expertise that can destroy an economy. There should be some sort of vote to gain approval.
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Re: Tariffs....and the Presidency
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Mar 27, 2025, 7:37 AM
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It doesn't appear we have 3 equal branches.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [106622]
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And there are no checks or balances on Congress
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Mar 27, 2025, 7:51 AM
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aside from a veto pen.
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Re: Tariffs....and the Presidency
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Mar 27, 2025, 7:47 AM
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It is all about EO’s! Since BHO Presidents have used them to enact stuff an unwilling Congress would not. A good start would be to eliminate or severely restrict their use. Make Congress do the job they were elected to perform. They have abdicated their role in the 3 branches.
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Ring of Honor [21705]
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Re: Tariffs....and the Presidency
Mar 27, 2025, 7:48 AM
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Yeah it's pretty clear that some changes are needed.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [106622]
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Job #237 that Congress has punted to the Oval Office.
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Mar 27, 2025, 7:50 AM
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Originally, tariffs were done by Congress. Way back sometime in the past they carved out an exception, in times of national emergency or war, the President could enact up to 15% tariffs by himself without Congress needed.
So that's why Trump issued the illegal alien/fentanyl national emergency FIRST THING when entering office. Once he has his national emergency, he's open to abuse a lot more power, tariffs being one of them. I'm not sure he can unilaterally go above 15%, but who knows, Congress may have further punted that in the past as well.
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I agree...and on the last point...
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Mar 27, 2025, 8:06 AM
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I think there is some other kind of emergency trade power Congress delegated to the POTUS and that's why some of the tariffs are being framed as being reciprocal.
At the very least, POTUS's unilateral trade powers ought to a have pretty short shelf life and anything longer should be passed by Congress. Trade policy should never be able to be handled in this current way with no warning and seemingly no real plan.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [106622]
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Agree. Congress needs to pass legislation to take this power back ASAP.
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Mar 27, 2025, 8:08 AM
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But they won't. And they won't touch immigration reform either, another job they've punted.
90% of America's problems can be traced back to Congress.
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Ya, that national emergency declaration is a joke.
Mar 27, 2025, 9:55 AM
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I also think the President shouldn’t be able to just declare that by himself. Fentanyl isn’t an “emergency.” It’s an issue, but shouldn’t be classified as an emergency.
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Why didn't Biden stop the tariffs from trump's first term?***
Mar 27, 2025, 8:11 AM
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Ring of Honor [21705]
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Re: Why didn't Biden stop the tariffs from trump's first term?***
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Mar 27, 2025, 8:13 AM
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Who knows? But you might want to start a different thread with that topic.
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Ultimate Tiger [34539]
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He should have...I suspect he was concerned about being painted as...
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Mar 27, 2025, 8:18 AM
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being weak on China, which you certainly would have accused him of being. In the end, I believe he paid a heavier price for the inflation the tariffs helped to feed.
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Ring of Honor [21496]
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Chinas economic practices are legitimately unbalanced and unfair
Mar 27, 2025, 8:57 AM
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Canada, Mexico and the EU should and can be handled through negotiated trade agreements _ such as the USMCA which Trump negotiated and hailed as the greatest trade agreement ever.
A sledgehammer is the best tool for every job.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [106622]
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Someone actually took the time to compile a list of all the threats, enactments
Mar 27, 2025, 8:55 AM
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and retractions, and waffling....to date.
President Donald Trump began proposing new tariffs within hours of being sworn into office. Sixty days later, his whirlwind of on-again, off-again tariffs shows no sign of slowing down.
Having trouble following the deluge? Scroll on for a day-by-day look at how Trump’s trade war has unfolded and where it stands now.
1/21/25 On the first day of his term, Trump threatened a 25 percent tariff on all goods imported from Mexico and Canada, the United States’ closest trade partners.
1/26/25 Later that week, Trump proposed a tax on all imported computer chips and pharmaceuticals. On the same day, he used the threat of tariffs to force Colombia to accept deportation flights.
1/30/25 Trump threatened BRICS nations with a 100 percent tariff if they moved away from the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency.
2/1/25 Over the next two days, he announced a 10 percent tax on all Chinese imports and threatened the European Union with tariffs.
2/3/25 Trump paused tariffs on Canada and Mexico shortly before they were to go into effect but enacted the tariffs against China.
2/8/25 The next week, Trump announced a policy of “reciprocal” tariffs on countries that tax U.S. imports. He also shared plans for a 25 percent global tariff on steel and aluminum …
… followed by a global tax on foreign cars.
2/16/25 Tariff news went quiet until the end of the month …
2/25/25 … when Trump ordered an investigation into potential tariffs on copper and proposed an additional tax on Chinese goods.
3/2/25 He then asked for investigations into potential tariffs on lumber and agricultural products.
3/3/25 The new tariffs on China were enacted on March 4, and the postponed tax on all Canadian and Mexican goods briefly went into effect …
3/5/25 … followed by carve-outs for the auto industry, goods from Canada and Mexico compliant with the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, and lower tax rates for Canadian fertilizer and energy.
3/7/25 Trump then took to Truth Social to threaten Russia with tariffs over the war in Ukraine.
3/11/25 He briefly proposed doubling steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada before relenting and allowing the planned global steel and aluminum tax to go into effect.
3/13/25 After Europe promised retaliatory tariffs, Trump floated a 200 percent tariff on European alcohol.
3/17/25 Following a quiet week ...
3/24/25 ... Trump threatened 25 percent tariffs on any country that buys oil and gas from Venezuela ...
3/26/25 ... and expanded his promised automobile tariffs to include auto parts.
Tariffs have been enacted on roughly $800 billion of goods as of March 21. A much bigger wave of trade taxes are slated to begin April 2, impacting trillions of dollars of trade.
Here’s where Trump’s tariffs stand now, and what’s coming next:
Tariffs laid down by the Trump administration are meant to boost some domestic industries and extract concessions from other countries. But economists say that the new taxes may drive up consumer prices and threaten key American industries. Retaliatory tariffs from targeted countries like Canada and China could impact millions of jobs in the U.S.
The atmosphere of uncertainty created by rapid proposals and reversals could create a drag on the economy. Without knowing what tariffs may go into effect — or when — businesses may struggle to make big decisions, such as whether to build a plant or move supply chains, said Kimberly Clausing, an economist at UCLA School of Law.
“Trump has introduced a level of economic uncertainty in a deliberate and truly unnecessary fashion,” Clausing said. “There’s nothing parallel in my lifetime in the United States.”
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