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Game Day Hero [4265]
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Tampering
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UConn coach Jim Mora plans to "pursue all avenues" against teams that tamper with Huskies players, warning such teams to "think hard before you tamper with our players."
Mora posted on social media Monday, hours before star defensive lineman Pryce Yates re-entered the transfer portal. Yates, a three-year starter with 29.5 career tackles for loss, initially entered the portal Dec. 13 before withdrawing Dec. 21 and posting a social media graphic that indicated his intention to return for the 2025 season.
Yates, a redshirt junior from San Antonio, Texas, earned defensive MVP honors Saturday in the Wasabi Fenway Bowl, recording a sack and three tackles for loss in UConn's 27-14 win against North Carolina. Yates led UConn with 14 tackles for loss in 2023 and had 12.5 career sacks, including 3.5 this season despite being limited to seven games because of injury.
"A simple note to the schools and coaches that have blatantly broken @NCAAFootball rules by tampering with our players in the last 24 hours," Mora wrote Monday on X. "We do know who you are, we will pursue all avenues to hold you accountable. We are excited that we've built a program where coaches have to cheat to beat us and we will protect that program. Think hard before you tamper with our players."
Mora later wrote in response to a post that he doesn't know how to fix the tampering issue in college football, but that "we will expose any program and coach that violates" NCAA rules. He added: "I'm 100 percent against grown men cheating the rules and teaching players horrible life lessons."
Mora guided UConn to a 9-4 record this season, the team's first winning season since 2010 and its most wins since 2007.
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He's bringing a nerf bat to a sword fight
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He has no clout anymore.
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Re: He's bringing a nerf bat to a sword fight
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AD Neff is the heir to that fortune. He just tweaked the spelling of his name so as not to be kidded about that.
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Re: He's bringing a nerf bat to a sword fight
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If more coaches start 'outing' these other teams, the media will start running with the stories. Note: media other than the esecpn mindless drones.
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Re: He's bringing a nerf bat to a sword fight
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Clout has nothing to do with it. If a law is a law and it is broken, the penalty is the key, not the person who was wronged. The big question is, are there any possible penalties and who enforces them? I think what Coach Mora is saying is, would a Coach really want the bad publicity of being called out for breaking the rules? Of course, the other problem, unless you have a recording, is would a coach really want to cross the blue line and accuse a fellow coach with no evidence? Complicated situation for sure.
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Varsity [102]
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NCAA rules aren't law.
Dec 31, 2024, 9:36 AM
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Lots of their rules violate federal laws.
This one may be no different. It certainly is anti competitive.
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Clemson Icon [24455]
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Re: NCAA rules aren't law.
Dec 31, 2024, 12:27 PM
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RIGHT ON CUE 🤣
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Re: Tampering
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I’m with the UCONN Coach. I fully support going Old Testament scorched earth on cheaters.
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Dec 30, 2024, 10:15 PM
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He should see if these cheaters can be surd in civil court. You may not win, but the process you put them through to hire costly lawyers is the punishment. The process is the punishment is a well know and used way to get justice when all else fails.
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That may well backfire.
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Dec 30, 2024, 10:20 PM
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The NCAA has lost every case when anyone with a spine has challenged any of their rules in court.
The tampering rule seems equally vulnerable on antitrust grounds.
No one has been shy about suing the NCAA. The lawyers in the House case are going to make out like bandits. The State AGa in the Tennessee and Ohio cases had nothing to lose. They get their salaries win or lose...and they won.
Corporate headhunting is completely legal. How is offering a competitor in college sports any different?
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Strawman. Logical Fallacy...
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Dec 30, 2024, 11:28 PM
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...blah blah federal courts bleh bleh. Regurgitate 3 or 4 times.
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Varsity [102]
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Tell me that you're completely out of touch
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Dec 31, 2024, 12:33 AM
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without using the words.
Duh.
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CU Medallion [18458]
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Strawman. Logical Fallacy...***
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Varsity [102]
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Good luck with your inability to discern
Dec 31, 2024, 9:15 AM
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...or to post intelligently.
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Re: That may well backfire.
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The student athletes are not employee, thus the employer/employee rules don't apply. There are some really good attorneys who could find a way to make this tampering into a very costly harmful action against the person or persons causing the harmful actions.. You would not be suing the NCAA, you would be suing THE individuals including Coach C. M. Cheat, his direct Supervisor, the University President, the BOT, AND THE UNIVERSITY. The coach or who ever was doing the tampering would be immediately thrown under the bus by the AD, PRESIDENT, BOT, AND THE JANITOR. NONE WOULD WANT TO BE A PART OF THE LAWSUIT AND WOULD ASSERT THAT THE COACH WAS VIOLATING UNIVERSITY POLICY AND RULES and was taking actions not an official part of his duties. That always leaves one to be hung out to dry. Tie a coach up in a big law suit asking for millions of dollars in lost revenue and damages as well as punitive damages and this chit will immediately cease.
Shirley, Uconn has at least one smart ambulance chasing attorney who wants to make a name for himself among his shyster buddies and law professors.
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"The NCAA is not above the law"
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Dec 31, 2024, 12:36 AM
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SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion,
NCAA vs Alston
NCAA rules aren't law.
And lawyers? The NCAA lawyers have lost EVERY judicial decision related to NCAA rules for years.
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Suing individuals...
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Dec 31, 2024, 12:57 AM
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Probably won't wash.
Because that "harm" is based on NCAA rules.
Those rules harm the athletes that want to move.
If suits are based on "harm", those athletes would seem to have a pretty good cause for action against the NCAA, the schools, the coaches, whomever. Limiting when athletes can be contacted can deny them better NIL deals, and that is direct financial harm.
There are a lot more athletes that want to transfer for better NIL than there are schools. Ergo, that has the potential to overwhelm the schools and the NCAA with even more lawsuits than what they're facing now.
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every professional league in the world has free agency rules.
Dec 31, 2024, 9:29 AM
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all those previous rulings happened before revenue sharing. It's a different world now and they can't fall back on the, " misused, mistreated , poor us under-privileged athlete" defense.
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Varsity [102]
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The NCAA has no such rule.
Dec 31, 2024, 9:37 AM
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For starters, the SEC and BIG aren't going to share their revenue with any other conference.
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Ultimate Tiger [33044]
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and no case has been brought to any court after revenue sharing was
Dec 31, 2024, 9:43 AM
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implemented.
the NFL doesn't share their revenue with arena league...but they both have free agency rules that are enforceable.
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That's because the 4 major pro leagues have antitrust exemptions.
Dec 31, 2024, 9:58 AM
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The NCAA does not.
The major pro leagues have one league per sport.
The NCAA has 10 just for football plus independents.
That creates not only a legal barrier but a consistency barrier due to the different structures.
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Ultimate Tiger [33044]
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the NCAA does not as of Decemeber 21st , 2024.
Dec 31, 2024, 10:11 AM
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but that does not mean they can't ever. the "exploited" model cannot be used as a defense any more after revenue sharing.
the NCCAA can try to implement free agency rules but they would certainly need schools to support.
the conferences are collectives of induvial schools. Historically, you are correct....it has been very difficult get so many different organizations to agree on a common goal. It has always been , "i'm going to do what i want to make me better, i don't care what happens to you>"
all i have heard from just about every coach in every sport (not all, but most) is that they do NOT like the way the transfer portal is working today. there maybe a chance they can unite .
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Lip service.
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If they wanted it to stop, they'd out 'em. But they won't because they don't want to be outed, too.
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I like it
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Now let’s see how they proceed. I wish them luck!
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Tough, tough situation what with all the movement to make
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Dec 31, 2024, 5:34 AM
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college sports more "student athlete friendly" to use the NCAA's own words, as they did with the new transfer rules.
I'm thinking there ought to be a payment made to the original school by a program that accepts a transferee...say, a million dollars, for the first program's efforts to recruit, train, equip blah blah blah the athlete, the cost of which surely isn't chicken feed. Of course, a million would be a paltry amount to some, a lot of moolah to others.
Regardless, I'm fairly well-convinced where all of this cr*p is heading, and that's straight into the hands of Congress.
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not enforceable. they all have agents now. YOu can't stop agents form talking
Dec 31, 2024, 7:40 AM
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to other agents or the players talking to their own agent.
The only way they can put an end to this is if they bring back some "sit out " rules.
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No Congressional antitrust exemption
Dec 31, 2024, 9:14 AM
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No sit out.
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You know, in the real estate businness, if someone calls me wanting to look at a
Dec 31, 2024, 8:41 AM
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property, I ask them at some point if they are working with another Realtor. If they say,"Yes,I am", I will go ahead and show them the property but they need to contact their agent. It is just common courtesy. Not just for the other agent,but also the buyer. If they sign a document with me to represent them, they would then be liable for TWO commissions if either I or their other agent holds them to it. These schools that target players on other teams that are committed, need to be "EDUCATED". And every education I got, came at a price!LOL!!!
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Zero commissions for college transfers...
Dec 31, 2024, 9:16 AM
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People are real estate.
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"Not real estate"******
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Re: Tampering
Dec 31, 2024, 8:46 AM
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His outrage would have more merit if he'd name the offenders.
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That would be slander and/or defamation of character until the...
Dec 31, 2024, 10:05 AM
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allegation(s) was/were proven in court.
Defamation:
Defamation is a communication that injures a third party's reputation and causes a legally redressable injury. The precise legal definition of defamation varies from country to country. It is not necessarily restricted to making assertions that are falsifiable, and can extend to concepts that are more abstract than reputation – like dignity and honour.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 31, 2024, 8:47 AM
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I do love chaos in the name of outing cheaters. I for one hope Mora does name names, even if it was some no-name coach or program. It would be entertaining to say the least to watch some of these programs get sanctioned for breaking the NCAA bylaws.
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It will be even more fun to watch the NCAA get sued into oblivion
Dec 31, 2024, 9:19 AM
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for another rule that is anti competitive, that crosses state lines, and joins the latest bunch of NCAA losses in court.
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Re: It will be even more fun to watch the NCAA get sued into oblivion
Dec 31, 2024, 9:26 AM
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Maybe, maybe not.
Until then the bylaw stands which means that every school that opts to be a member institution are expected to abide by them. The bylaw itself doesn't restrict movement, it restricts the behavior of school employees.
I don't expect Mora to name names, just the the threat should keep a good number of programs from going after UConn players
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It does restrict movement
Dec 31, 2024, 9:39 AM
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Because it limits negotiating fair market value for a move.
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Re: It does restrict movement
Dec 31, 2024, 9:47 AM
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False narrative and assumes facts not proven nor in your possession. The tampering bylaws itself doesn't restrict when or even whether they can move, that would be the portal rules.
It limits the school employees when the enrolled students can be contacted and how that happens. And as of today, despite your protests, is still a valid and enforceable bylaws.
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Yeah, and that's why the NCAA is no longer
Dec 31, 2024, 10:03 AM
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even pretending to enforce that rule.
They know they're likely to lose if that rule goes to court, just like the rest.
And yes, the rule is clearly anticompetitive.
Restricting sby part of athlete movement including "how they can be contacted" is clearly anticompetitive.
Now you can pull out your appeal to outliers example from prior to this football season, from a small school, that has not effect on the NCAA nit currently trying to go after anyone else for tampering.
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Re: Yeah, and that's why the NCAA is no longer
Dec 31, 2024, 10:14 AM
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Again you continue to introduce assumed facts, instead of what they are which are your opinions, assumptions and misunderstandings
"Yeah, and that's why the NCAA is no longer even pretending to enforce that rule." - Show the evidence that they aren't. You can't know that
"They know they're likely to lose if that rule goes to court, just like the rest." - Another assumption where you are making statements for others
"And yes, the rule is clearly anticompetitive. Restricting sby part of athlete movement including "how they can be contacted" is clearly anticompetitive" - That isn't CLEARLY anti-competitive, again that is your opinion based on nothing other than you saying it is. You've substantiated absolutely nothing. The "how" component is that the school employee must obtain authorization to make contact. That isn't even a real restriction, its a step in a process
"Now you can pull out your appeal to outliers example from prior to this football season, from a small school, that has not effect on the NCAA nit currently trying to go after anyone else for tampering." - Even one example completely negates your first statement, despite your objections and attempts to marginalize it
We are still awaiting evidence that the tampering bylaws restrict the student athletes movement or value. You should try empirical evidence
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Re: It will be even more fun to watch the NCAA get sued into oblivion
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You seem to be of the opinion that an organization can't have rules. I am not talking about rules that are unlawful, but rules that may hold an organization together and foster fair competition.
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That's bogus. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth.
Dec 31, 2024, 9:41 AM
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It's not a hallmark of honest debate.
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Re: That's bogus. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth.
Dec 31, 2024, 10:14 AM
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Interesting, you are putting words in others mouth's above.
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The NCAA has rubber teeth and claws.***
Dec 31, 2024, 10:06 AM
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He's going to have to name names...***
Dec 31, 2024, 8:49 AM
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Mora is smart to embarrass programs that tamper even if suits R not effective
Dec 31, 2024, 9:18 AM
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By exposing tampering programs, Mora embarrasses the NCAA (again) for being the flaccid organization that everybody already knows they are.
Lawsuits are unlikely to succeed.
Embarrassing the NCAA and, in effect, calling out the ‘superior’ programs for ‘having to resort to cheating to win’ also embarrasses the rich / cheating programs.
I can’t wait for the excuses that the SEC and their propagandists in ESPN cough up. Disney Corp’s media business may decide that ESPN’s Paul Slimebum may not be up to it. Will Disney summon ABC News runt ‘Furious George’ Stephanapolous to carry Slimebum’s water?
This could be fun.
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Re: Tampering
Dec 31, 2024, 9:18 AM
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Tampering will continue until we have a nationwide league with a commissioner, rules and governance.
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Don't hold your breath.
Dec 31, 2024, 9:23 AM
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The pro leagues have a single league with a single commissioner.
The NCAA has 10 leagues plus independents in FBS alone. Each of them has its own commissioner. They aren't going to give that up, especially the SEC and the Big 10.
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Dec 31, 2024, 9:22 AM
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So how many days until Yates is committed to Ole Miss?
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Mora can expose any program/coach who tampers all he wants...
Dec 31, 2024, 9:24 AM
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but it is highly unlikely IMO that the NCAA will actually do anything about it.
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Although hes pissing on a forest fire. I applaud the sentiment.***
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100927]
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He's probably warning the player more than other coaching staffs.
Dec 31, 2024, 10:00 AM
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It's an empty threat, imo, but the players are taking note. They must know that he's pointing out risk they take by entertaining phone calls from unknown scouts and more so the risk of being dragged into court for their part of rules violations.
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Talking to scouts or agents doesn't violate the rule.
Dec 31, 2024, 10:17 AM
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The rules says that school employees can't contact athletes from another team.
It doesn't say that representatives of other schools' NIL collectives can't do so. Ditto for individual boosters or booster clubs.
I look for an independent, online clearinghouse site where any coach can post "we're looking for a skit receiver, a free safety, and a kicker, all with at least 2 years of eligibility" to pop up. Then watch the agents start making calls to those teams.
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Clemson Conqueror [11558]
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We know who you are and will hold you accountable.
Dec 31, 2024, 10:29 AM
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Sounds like he had an opportunity to name names and hold someone accountable...but chose not to.
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