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Ring of Honor [23085]
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5 things that fix the college football system.
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1. All players sign contracts as members of a NCAA player's collective. They must return any NIL money if they con't complete the term of their contract. Also players must remain academically eligible.
2. Bring back one year sit-out for transferring. No exceptions except if a coach leaves or a school is hit with sanctions or gets blown up or something.
3. "Salary Caps" for teams based on conference affiliation.
4. 5% of coaches salaries go to the "Jimmy and Joes NIL" fun to be shared equally among all players.
5. 5% of conference distributions to schools go directly to players, split evenly.
This way... contract law makes this thing stick and avoids the NCAA losing in court over and over. Players are heavily disincentivized from transferring, which is the only real sport-breaking problem right now. The money players get is more formalized, standardized, and (slightly) evenly distributed. Conferences and institutions have to lead this charge. The NCAA is dead in the water.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99515]
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This ought to lure Bluffton OrangeMan out from under his rock***
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Tell him to bring it.
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Ultimate Tiger [38955]
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Those Look Like Some Mighty Scary Street Tuffs***
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You better believe it.
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:11 AM
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Clemson Icon [27373]
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Re: You better believe it.
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Oct 25, 2024, 9:14 AM
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I met those guys one night at the Blue Oyster. Nice fellas.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99515]
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Wow that was fast -- you must get text alerts.
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:11 AM
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And I'm not sure you understand the meaning of "gaslighting".
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Re: Wow that was fast -- you must get text alerts.
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LMAO I often have a good chuckle when he uses gaslighting in the wrong context.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99515]
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He uses lots of words and phrases in the wrong context...
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:22 AM
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a little something to brighten my day
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Rival Killer [3090]
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I'll simplify it for you.
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:12 AM
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I'll just call it what it is from not on. B.S.
Or...I'll simplify it even more and use emojis. Like this...🐂💩
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Re: I'll simplify it for you.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Apparently I spread you, then.
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Oct 25, 2024, 11:40 AM
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Remind me nit to step in you.
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Re: Apparently I spread you, then.
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Yes, I'll be careful to never step in you******
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Re: He uses lots of words and phrases in the wrong context...
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He is full of the shizz. Seems more folks are figuring it out. Says my coach abused the system (like Dabo or Saban created it) and is antiquated in his thinking. I say move on with that BS you supposed Clemson fan.
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Re: 5 things that fix the college football system.
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Oct 24, 2024, 8:59 AM
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These points look oddly similar to an article in the Athletic...eerily similar......I'm sure it's just a coincidence though.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Well I haven't seen it. So that just makes me smart I guess.
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:02 AM
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Unless the article was stupid.
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Re: Well I haven't seen it. So that just makes me smart I guess.
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Owned by the NYT. So most definitely leaning towards stupid. Sorry.
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Athletic Dir [1167]
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The Athletic is pretty good as far as national outlets for sports go. And it's
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Oct 24, 2024, 12:41 PM
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pretty healthy to read the NYT and WSJ for that matter in order to get a good viewpoint as well.
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National Champion [8067]
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LOL. And there it is, your daily dose of stupid from arizona.***
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Athletic Dir [1167]
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Yeah, totally wrong and stupid to read different sources of information. America
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Oct 25, 2024, 6:56 AM
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keeps getting dumber and dumber.
Those who just don't believe in information at all, or get it just from social media, are the smartest and most informed people for sure.
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National Champion [8067]
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Right, and those who read left wing propaganda are geniuses. LOL. Cry more.***
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Oct 25, 2024, 9:11 AM
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Athletic Dir [1167]
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Keep putting me down, that's fine. You know what, I'm comfortable reading
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Oct 25, 2024, 11:26 AM
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different sources to form an opinion - right left and international viewpoints. For the right side, I read WSJ, Fox and Elon Musk. It doesn't make me better than anyone, but it does help me stay somewhat informed and try to stay away from getting swept up in a wave of propaganda from any single source or side.
We all have our ways to try and be educated citizens, that's just mine.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Im not perfect in it. And if I have a different viewpoint than you that doesn't
Oct 25, 2024, 4:08 PM
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make me bad and you good or me good and you bad.
Reality is we as a nation vote, the winner wins and he/she are the President for all of us. I wish whoever wins the best of luck, and hope they do their best to represent each and every one of us. If that method and viewpoint makes me a #####, or ignorant, so be it. I have one life to live and I'm not going to let a good president or bad president make or break my outlook.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Not happening.
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1. Illegal under federal law. Sherman Antitrust Act violation. Violates NCAA vs Alston and Tennessee/Virginia vs NCAA.
2. Illegal. Sherman Antitrust Act violation. Interstate Commerce Act violation if the transfer is across a state line. Violates Ohio vs NCAA.
3. There is no salary cap on NIL. Same legal basis as #1.
4. Never going to happen. It would violate every coaching contract in the USA.
5. Moot. Each school will be able to direct up to around $22 million in revenue sharing to athletes next year.
Completely unworkable.
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Ring of Honor [21238]
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Just about everyone I see comment on this issue
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Are totally ignorant to recent rulings and reports from the ongoing cases.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Absolutely right.
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:09 AM
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Yet so many of them glory in their ignorance and insist that they are right.
It's downright embarrassing to Clemson.
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Paw Warrior [4709]
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Re: Absolutely right.
Oct 24, 2024, 9:57 PM
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Bluff
If the NCAA got an antio-trust exemption similar to the NFL's, could things move in the direction of the OP's general concept ??
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Rival Killer [3090]
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That's the ONLY way any of it could happen.
Oct 25, 2024, 7:29 AM
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It takes Congress passing a bill to get it. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) tried last year. He couldn't get his draft bill out of committee. The general feeling I get was that there is no interest in doing something that will continue the wrongs of the old NCAA system.
Only pro sports get AT exemptions, and not all of them do. In order to get one, it takes a completely professional, single league, athletes paid fair market value, player unions and collective bargaining, union contracts, and the right to strike.
Those things are a pretty clear different set of circumstances than pro sports.
Lots more divergent interests in college sports, for one thing. I think that's why the BIG and the SEC. If they form a NFL sized super league, they can cut ties with the NCAA and form a model that is legal, more profitable, and more sustainable.
The downside? It's going to suck for everybody else, including Clemson.
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Re: That's the ONLY way any of it could happen.
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Bluff,
I generally agree with your post, but it seems that more people in Congress might be willing to consider anti-trust legislation after considering that their state schools are going to be among the ones fuckedover by the way things seem to be headed with the SEC and the BIG.
Of course, it would take some adaptations to work with college programs, but modified fair market value, player unions and collective bargaining, union contracts, and the right to strike sounds better to me (and for college football) than all of the collateral damage that will be caused by a superleague.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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That's an interesting take.
Oct 25, 2024, 11:51 AM
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...but it might actually help the P2.
If they get their way to dominate the NCAA, then an antitrust exe option actually helps them and hurts everyone else.
If they split from the NCAA, they can argue that's evidence of free market competition so no anti trust exemption is needed.
Anti trust exemptions apply to the entire entity, not just employer/employee relations.
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National Champion [7996]
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Re: Just about everyone I see comment on this issue
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Agreed. The judge has already laid out the basics. The final wording is going to change it some. She was adamant that limiting earning potential and taking back NIL money will not happen. Just read the legal briefs people. College football is not ever going to be what it was.
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Paw Warrior [4709]
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Re: Just about everyone I see comment on this issue
Oct 25, 2024, 11:03 AM
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Jedi
In regards to NIL, How does the NFL deal with these issues ?
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Rival Killer [3090]
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The don't. They can't.
Oct 25, 2024, 11:57 AM
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Mahomes can make as much money as he wants from State Farm. It doesn't affect his salary or the Chiefs' salary cap a penny.
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So the NFL never happened huh? You are a broken record.
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You keep saying "nothing will ever work" and you just say "according to this legal case" but you have no idea all the ways that new cases and new collective bargaining could completely overcome all of that.
If you think college football will always be this wild and ungoverned then you are being ridiculous.
There is no federal case that invalidates contract law. Anyone can form a collective and enter freely into a contract. The NCAA cases do not involve contracts.
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Re: So the NFL never happened huh? You are a broken record.
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Wait, wut? You're saying an illegal contract is enforceable? LMAO
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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All contracts involving athletes are illegal now?
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:13 AM
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You think the previous rulings make contracts with players permanently illegal in all circumstances? That no new entity can enter collective bargaining?
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Changing your story...
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:23 AM
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It's not working for you.
Again, illegal contracts are not enforceable in ANY circumstances. Any attempt by the NCAA to interfere with it or regulate private NIL is illegal. Period.
They can't interfere in a contract between two other private entities. For all of you repeating "contract law", you should know that.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Show me, specifically, where I changed my story you emotional weirdo.***
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:34 AM
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Triggered much?
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:15 AM
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That's a sure sign of emotional weirdness. Stop projecting.
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Re: Show me, specifically, where I changed my story you emotional weirdo.***
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The discussion was "contracts".
I said "illegal contracts".
When you said "all contracts" that nit inky changed your story, but it was a Strawman argument in your part. Trying to put words in my mouth is either stupid, dishonest, or both.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Stop wasting my time with your broken brain. What illegal contract?
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I simply said contracts. You spouted off illegal contracts. You had no specific contract to assess its legality. Annoying person. Hush.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99515]
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Be prepared to be accused of one (or more) of the following...
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-strawman argument -projecting -being triggered -gaslighting -logical fallacy -embarrassing Clemson -false equivalence -artificial construct -repeating a canard
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Rival Killer [3090]
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As opposed to the B.S. and illegal "fixes" to which I respond?
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If you don't like the categorization, stop using arguments that fit them. Duh.
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Look, unless you start paying me I'm not going to help you process your illness.
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Oct 25, 2024, 1:16 PM
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Rival Killer [3090]
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The illness is between your ears.
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Apparently you have a sick fixation with me. It's pathological. Get help.
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Nice try, but so far you've only checked off one box...
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-strawman argument -projecting -being triggered -gaslighting -logical fallacy -embarrassing Clemson -false equivalence -artificial construct -repeating a canard
But be patient, he's already responded twice to your post, so more may be on the way.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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As opposed to the exploitation that the portal and NIL haters demonstrate?
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I'll take it.
Are you still mad that Lincoln freed your slaves?
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You are such an pathetic scumbag of a human being.***
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Rival Killer [3090]
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...said you, to the guy in your mirror.
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You're the biggest embarrassment to Clemson on this board, and it takes some epic bottom feeding for you to be that.
You love exploitation of college athletes. Your probably still mad that Lincoln freed the slaves.
Lumping you in with bottom feeders is an insult to bottom feeders.
You're pathetic.
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Funny from the guy that no one on TNET can stand. LOL. Cry more.***
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Oct 25, 2024, 12:21 PM
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Rival Killer [3090]
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So you're illiterate...
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To go along with your appalling lack of moral decency, your disgusting love for exploitation, and your projection if your own weak emo status.
Then you throw out a false generalization trying to buff up your failed sense of self importance. There's only one if you. Fortunately for humanity and fur the trees that are wasting their time tirelessly making oxygen for you.
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Your face is illiterate.
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Failed your GED, did you?******
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Heisman Winner [84198]
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well at least I can bench my own weight.
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That's easy to do when the inside of your head weighs nothing.
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LMAO at how weak your posts are.
Let me know when - and if - you graduate from kindergarten.
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National Champion [8067]
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Betting no one can stand you in real life either, clown. Cry more.***
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Wrong again, Skippy.
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I actually literally gave thousands of friends.
They pass the tests of civility, maturity, intelligence, and decency that glaringly lack.
Just another epic fail for you.
BTW, you're still FOS about the actual topics if NIL and the transfer portal, too.
But...you're cheap entertainment. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Re: Funny from the guy that no one on TNET can stand. LOL. Cry more.***
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Now you've done it!
He has arrived at "facts" such as your thoughts on the freeing of the slaves, knowing the level of your moral decency (which is ironic) and desire to exploit people.
Tom Smykowski would be proud
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Re: Funny from the guy that no one on TNET can stand. LOL. Cry more.***
Oct 25, 2024, 2:35 PM
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...and that kept them in a form of indentured servitude.
Ergo, the comparison is valid. Comprehension can be your friend.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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That was specific to one post.
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That has expired. Now I'm responding in kind. They earned it, many times over.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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What a list of BS Strawman arguments.
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If you wanted to make yourself look silly, you e succeeded beyond your wildest dreams.
NFL? They have a federal antitrust exemption. The NCAA does not. They tried to get one. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) couldn't even get the bill out of committee.
"Nothing will ever work"??? That's 🐂💩. In fact, I've said things are working just fine in terms of attendance, TV viewership, and money.
There isn't going to be collective bargaining without the athletes getting employee status. That's not going to happen until the Dartmouth basketball team case is decided.
Football wokd and ungoverned? It's not that now. It's governed by state and federal law and by market forces.
There are multiple federal laws that invalidate illegal contracts as cited above. If you're right, then Mafia hit contracts are legal.
Thanks for the laughs. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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This is why you have a personality disorder. Read carefully.
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1. You are way too emotional about this topic. You have clearly taken some sort of unhealthy attachment to this topic as you treat it like some kind of moral topic that is evil for anyone to have an opinion you don't approve. The fact you lash out and insult people over a different perspective shows you are a small, ugly person.
2. Your hypocritical and ironic (mis)use of concepts. For instance, you accuse me of strawman (which is changing the other person's argument into something easier to defeat) yet you compare my point about contracts to murder being legalized. To any healthy person, this would be an obvious folly, yet your damaged @ss went through with it.
3. Your whole urgent and emo argument hinges on the fact that college athletes have a different status than professional athletes. And you pretend that this is impossible or extremely unlikely to ever change. If athletes get employee status OR some legal workaround is crafted that equates to that, then there is nothing I said that is impossible. The coaches salary is unlikely, and I never expect it to happen, but I like the idea. Your childish, emotional behavior over such a benign thing exposes way more about your real personality than it does anything about the debate on this topic.
So why don't you calm down and realize you are on a sports message board? If you get off by freaking out and throwing insults, then at least be self-aware about it.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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You are completely FOS.
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:23 AM
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I'm not emotional at all.
You're projecting again.
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Dynasty Maker [3551]
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Re: You are completely FOS.
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:45 AM
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Bluffton: "When the argument is lost, insults become the tool of the loser".
"You just outed yourself as one if those...and not for the first time."
Also Bluffton:
"Patently you are FOS." "Again, smart people don't do that." "He can't even add value......to his Depends in the nursing home." "You are FOS." "Did I mention that you are FOS?" "Your drool bucket is overflowing. Get your mommy to change it." "Oh, and give back the GED. "You didn't earn it. "You are completely FOS." "You are an embarrassment to Clemson." "Let me guess, you're an incel, too." "You're the biggest embarrassment to Clemson" "You're pathetic." "You're pathetic. Time for a diaper change."
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Rival Killer [3090]
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I apologize for stopping to the level of those to whom I responded******
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Oct 24, 2024, 12:40 PM
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Rival Killer [3090]
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So you have nothing to add pertinent to the original...
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Oct 24, 2024, 4:21 PM
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...bogus post that advocated for things that have already been ruled illegal?
Got it.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Lashing out?
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:30 AM
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That's what you just did when I debunked your bogus position with facts.
Again, stop projecting.
Oh, and there's this thing called Google. You should use it to catch up with the court cases the NCAA has lost. If you were current, you'd realize that what you want is blatantly illegal
Your rant signed at me shows they you use emotions, not facts, then project the opposite of that reality.
You accidently got one thing right. This is a moral issue. The NCAA hit away with exploiting the athletes for decades. The schools, the NCAA, and the coaches got rich while the athletes couldn't accept a free meal.
Anyone that supports that or that tries to get in the way of the remedy is indeed staking out the low moral ground. Yeah, you did that. Shane on you!
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Top TigerNet [32372]
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even the NFL does not have control over player NIL
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:25 AM
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if Mahomes wanted to sign a 3 mil dollar endorsement deal with the KKK he could. The NFL couldn't stop him. He'd certainly lose his job due to some ethics and conduct clause.. but they couldn't stop him from getting that 3 mil .
you want to change NIl you have to go to the source. The desperate fans willing to fork out gobs of money to win contests of entertainment.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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The trouble w/ the term NIL... it was fast converted into a backdoor contract.
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Oct 25, 2024, 10:26 AM
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So when it comes to the original intent of the NIL, you are absolutely right. And nobody should regulate that. Players should be allowed to make unlimited money from whatever advertisers in the free market bid for based on supply and demand.
But what NIL actually is now, is a disingenuously packaged offer, unofficially attached to football programs, that amount to pay for play, without the benefit of an actual legal contract. It's wide open and extremely easy to leave one or all parties unsatisfied.
So when I say a cap on NIL, I should have said a cap on pay for play. NFL players don't rely on endorsements to get paid. They are an extra benefit. The richer programs have co-opted this as an ad-hoc pay for play. This mixed with the current version of the transfer portal has made things wild. Thankfully many programs have been burned by their over-use. But an excess of money doesn't learn lessons like budgeted money.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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"original intent" of NIL?? That's neaningkess.
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Oct 25, 2024, 11:54 AM
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The fact is that NIL is what exists right now, it's 100% legal, it's 100% illegal for the NCAA or schools to interfere in it, and complaining about it dies nothing.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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That's completely ignorant.
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:43 AM
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Federal laws override any contract that violates them.
That includes anything that falls under antitrust violations, interstate commerce violations, or RICO, among other things.
The NCAA blatantly and repeatedly did two of those things. There seriously close to RICO charges of they keep doing it.
They stopped doing it, except for trying to sneak in a clause in the House vs NCAA case. That settlement got tabled because that clause is not only an antitrust violation, it violates the NCAA vs Alston and TN/VA vs NCAA judicial decisions.
You don't even know what any of those cases are, do you?
I have facts. You have emotions and a lack of knowledge on the topic.
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Re: Not happening.
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Would agree on all of these points. Amazing how ignorant folks are about the legal ramifications of caps.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Contract law does not such thing.
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:08 AM
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Illegal contracts are not valid. Neither are contracts that violate federal court decisions.
Please educate yourself.
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Tell 'em nothing since 1969 coot. No one knows losing better than you.
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:12 AM
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LOL
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Re: 5 things that fix the college football system.
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Oct 24, 2024, 9:10 AM
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Clemson Icon [27373]
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Re: 5 things that fix the college football system.
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Oct 25, 2024, 9:26 AM
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They keep this up and somebody going to Jamaica, first class trip.
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Top TigerNet [32372]
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1,3,4,and 5 are possible but bloody #### not likely .
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:07 AM
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supreme court already ruled against #2
it would take a major act of government to go back.
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Campus Hero [13228]
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#2 and #5 are ok, the rest, ugh***
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:48 AM
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Actually, #2 is a violation of the ruling in the Ohio vs NCAA case.
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Oct 24, 2024, 4:28 PM
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The NCAA can't regulate, interfere with, or limit transfers in any way.
#5 isn't going to fly, either.
Revenue sharing starts next year. Each school decides how to split it up. There is no direct relationship between the athletes revenue sharing and coaches salaries or a percentage thereof.
We have what we have unless the NCAA gets a federal antitrust exemption.
Congress has shown zero interest in that. Senator Timmy Tuberville (R-AL) tried. He couldn't even get his draft bill out of committee.
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Re: 5 things that fix the college football system.
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Oct 25, 2024, 8:58 AM
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That’s a pipe dream. The judge overseeing NIL wording has already said zero restrictions on NIL monies earned. Giving back earned money was one of her sticking points. Great ideas, just not realistic.
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National Champion [7996]
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Re: 5 things that fix the college football system.
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Oct 25, 2024, 8:59 AM
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Also, #5 is happening. It’s called revenue sharing. Mandatory.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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It's not tied to coaches salaries, tho.***
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Oct 25, 2024, 11:42 AM
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Re: 5 things that fix the college football system.
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Oct 25, 2024, 9:49 AM
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I like your ideas but am confused by your last comment about the schools leading as the NCAA is dead in the water. Note the board of governors for the NCAA is made up of leaders from various schools so the schools control the NCAA.
https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2021/5/26/who-are-the-ncaa-board-of-governors.aspx
Looking at the members, it seems it is more focused on DEI and equity than a power team willing to address the needs of the single sport which pays the bills.
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Rival Killer [3090]
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That's about revenue sharing...
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Oct 25, 2024, 12:44 PM
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...not NIL. The schools don't pay NIL.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Shhhhh I know that. You are not the emperor of this topic. Stop clinging
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Oct 25, 2024, 1:14 PM
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Straight to another logical fallacy.
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Oct 25, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Strawman. Pathological.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99515]
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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lol***
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:51 PM
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Rival Killer [3090]
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Rival Killer [3090]
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The sport that pays the bills is still doing just that.
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Oct 25, 2024, 11:44 AM
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Despite the NCAA getting rolled in every court case on the map.
They're too busy defending other cases to try to pick a new fight.
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Can you smell what the B1G and SEC are cooking?***
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