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All-TigerNet [10472]
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Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 9:28 AM
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Stanford is launching an initiative to eliminate “harmful language” from their lexicon. One of the words they intend to eliminate is “American”. Incredible.
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Dec 20, 2022, 9:34 AM
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Bet their graduates won’t get good jobs!***
Dec 20, 2022, 9:36 AM
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Re: Bet their graduates won’t get good jobs!***
Dec 20, 2022, 9:57 AM
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It's Stanford. Their graduates almost certainly come from elite backgrounds. They are going to find good jobs. Or are you joking?
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Re: Bet their graduates won’t get good jobs!***
Dec 20, 2022, 10:23 AM
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I think was a good tongue in cheek jokey.
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Re: Bet their graduates won’t get good jobs!***
Dec 20, 2022, 10:29 AM
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It has to be. Nobody can be that naive lol.
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Another one was "abort."
Dec 20, 2022, 9:42 AM
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It should be replaced with "cancel" or "end."
That one has me bumfuzzled. I don't see why "abortion" is considered hate speech by Stanford.
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Re: Another one was "abort."
Dec 20, 2022, 9:56 AM
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kill(ing) two birds with one stone = accomplish(ing) two things at once
Why? Because the former normalizes violence against animals.
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Liberalism is rapidly destroying this country
Dec 20, 2022, 9:43 AM
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At some point this nation is going to have break apart.....this current path cannot continue to be ventured down.
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Re: Liberalism is rapidly destroying this country
Dec 20, 2022, 9:54 AM
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That's what the confederate states said when they seceeded too.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 9:53 AM
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After reading the rationale behind replacing American with US, I'm not that bothered by it.
I do believe that it is silly, but it's not as bad as some will make it out to be. There are 42 "American" countries, so "US citizen" would be more accurate and precise than "American citizen."
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I agree with that and I'll delete my previous post.***
Dec 20, 2022, 9:54 AM
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So we're United Statesians?***
Dec 20, 2022, 10:10 AM
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Re: So we're United Statesians?***
Dec 20, 2022, 10:23 AM
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Any citizen of any American country can call themselves an "American citizen"
When referring to your citizenship, the more precise and accurate term is "US citizen"
Stanford also uses the rationale of "American citizen" as an implication of us perceiving our country as the "most important" country in the western hemisphere, which is true IMO. But, I still understand the point they are making with this one. Be more precise and accurate in your language. Don't base your language off your own subjective opinion of your country. I get it.
Young people will be young people.
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Re: So we're United Statesians?***
Dec 20, 2022, 10:28 AM
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Only one country has the name America in it. So no they don’t.
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Re: So we're United Statesians?***
Dec 20, 2022, 10:33 AM
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You won't hear me argue that this is silly of Stanford.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 11:40 AM
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So then, by their logic, a native American should be anyone born in 'America' and an African-American should be anyone born in Africa, but living in 'America'. Does the logic work both ways or just one way?
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Out of curiosity, have you actually read their reasoning?
Dec 20, 2022, 10:11 AM
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So, as in most stories and reports, there is a grain of truth in the story. But, the reasoning is important to understand prior to deciding whether to mock it or simply disagree with it (at least in my estimation).
They do suggest doing away with using the word "American" from the Stanford website and written codes, but they do so because that term is imprecise and means vastly different things depending on the background of the reader. In the US we often use it to mean individuals from the US, but globally the term is primarily used to mean people from any of the countries in the Americas (North and South).
It's fine to disagree (obviously) with this suggestion (or many others on the list), but I can honestly say I've personally heard the word cause confusion in conversations with folks from other countries.
Here is their paper: https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/stanfordlanguage.pdf
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Re: Out of curiosity, have you actually read their reasoning?
Dec 20, 2022, 10:18 AM
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That is called rationalization to try and avoid criticism. We knew exactly what they intended...
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Well, ok
Dec 20, 2022, 10:20 AM
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If you want to presume intention and not listen I suppose you have that right.
I think you do yourself a disservice, but to each their own.
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Re: Well, ok
Dec 20, 2022, 10:24 AM
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I lived there and worked with Stanford for 5 years. Great pedigree but leftist elitism at its finest. Don't be fooled by the rhetoric. They have always had their own agenda.
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They may
Dec 20, 2022, 10:27 AM
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Everyone and every organization has some agenda, it's just that we only call it an agenda (with a negative connotation) when we think it bad.
And again, I think it fine (as I do) to disagree with many of the suggestions (or rules they put in place for themselves).
However, I do think the word "American" used without context in official written documentation does provide room for confusion. I understand that reasoning and it doesn't seem nefarious at all to me.
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Re: They may
Dec 20, 2022, 10:34 AM
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Yes, it is amazing how we survived for 246 years as a nation without becoming confused over being called Americans isn't it? If you can't tell how the agenda just keeps chipping away at our way of life and the founding father's intentions for this great country then I don't know what else to tell you. All of these "little things" that we continue to ignore just keep adding up. I guess tearing down statues made sense to some and one day tearing down institutions of freedom will be rationalized away as necessary to make people less confused and more comfortable.
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Re: They may
Dec 20, 2022, 10:38 AM
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We are becoming more diverse. There are thousands of young people enrolled in our universities that are citizens from other "American" countries. But, the people making this a big deal are probably right.
Leftists and liberals wanting people to be more precise and accurate with their language will be the downfall of this country. What will they want next? To make college free for everyone so that nobody has to go into debt to earn a college degree? They are truly disgusting and immoral.
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Except there ain't no such thing as "free" college...
Dec 20, 2022, 10:45 AM
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Somebody has to pay for the wages of the professors, the utility bills of the buildings, the room and board of the students, and the materials used for instruction.
"Free" education is a LIE but I guess we should expect nothing less from someone that uses a communist avatar...
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Re: Except there ain't no such thing as "free" college...
Dec 20, 2022, 10:56 AM
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Why do conservatives always go to this point lol? We all know that taxes would pay for free college. Taxes pay for everything that the government provides. We are talking about it being "free" at the point of usage. As in, when you use it, you don't have to pay for it. Same with calling the fire department. Your taxes pay for them. But when you need them to come put out the fire burning your house, they don't ask you to pay for it first.
We all know taxes would have to pay for free college just like taxes pay for free public education. It's just some people would rather prioritize higher education over the $858 billion that Congress just approved for the military.
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Who pays the taxes? It still ain't free no matter how you
Dec 20, 2022, 11:28 AM
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strip it down. You just happen to be an advocate of Government being the middle man - taking money from one group of citizens to give it to another group of citizens - it still ain't free at the point of usage or otherwise because someone is always paying for it.
The reason Conservatives always go to this point is that leftists and Marxists like to fool the masses into believing there is such a thing as "free" so long as "the thing" comes from Government. Those of us with a brain and a grasp of history know this is a lie.
So tell me - why all the love for comrade Leon and his communist dogma? Communism is a proven failed system that has brought about more human suffering, misery, and death than practically any other economic/social system in the history of mankind.
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Nobody pays, you just print more money!
Dec 20, 2022, 6:04 PM
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It's almost like magic.
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Re: Except there ain't no such thing as "free" college...
Dec 20, 2022, 2:08 PM
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because any service provided by the taxpayers eventually turns into cr@p.
Come on Man! The amount of waste fraud and abuse of taxpayer dollars is exponential to the size of the government.
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I agree, our country’s strength and my quality of life are
Dec 20, 2022, 12:40 PM
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greatly affected when someone uses the term US citizen instead of American. Their agenda of ruining my way of life is something I won’t stand for, and am prepared to storm the capital if necessary to preserve and defend the attack on my well-being by this word!
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Re: They may
Dec 20, 2022, 4:00 PM
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Yes, it is amazing how we survived for 246 years as a nation without becoming confused over being called Americans isn't it? If you can't tell how the agenda just keeps chipping away at our way of life and the founding father's intentions for this great country then I don't know what else to tell you. All of these "little things" that we continue to ignore just keep adding up. I guess tearing down statues made sense to some and one day tearing down institutions of freedom will be rationalized away as necessary to make people less confused and more comfortable.
Canadians have been pointing out our inaccurate use of the term "American" as long as I've been around because, as North American's, they are just as American as us.
I'm sure that any Canadian reading your comment is thinking to himself, "please, we're begging you, don't confuse us with this American dope."
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Your sarcasm meter needs work***
Dec 21, 2022, 11:18 AM
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Re: Your sarcasm meter needs work***
Dec 21, 2022, 11:28 AM
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I got it! I think we were typing at the same time so it looked like I was responding to you!
It was meant for the whiner!
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Golly gee.. People have been using the term "American" and
Dec 20, 2022, 10:39 AM
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"Americans" since the "American" Revolutionary War and pretty much no one had a problem understanding the peoples being referred to based on the context of the discussion. So what has changed??
The Brits, the French, the Japanese, the Germans and just about every other civilization on the planet can discern who is meant by how the word "American" is used. "Look - the Americans standing like a rock in the Marne!" "The Americans dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki" - not a whole lot of doubt as to whom is being referred.
Nope - in the time in which we live this is a continuation of the drive by certain elites that want to change the culture and find that language modification/cancellation is a useful tool in that endeavor.
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Re: Golly gee.. People have been using the term "American" and
Dec 20, 2022, 10:41 AM
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The other 41 American countries didn't exist during the American Revolution. Now they do. So maybe be more precise and accurate with your language?
Stanford also isn't forcing this on you btw. Carry on.
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Oh, I did
Dec 20, 2022, 10:46 AM
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The reason they consider the word harmful (in the context of official written words, which is the context they are making suggestions for) is that it is imprecise (see the section it is listed in, and their reasoning).
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it seems harmful to equate imprecision with harmfulness.***
Dec 20, 2022, 4:11 PM
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 10:16 AM
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I guess they are trying to keep up with Berkeley. I will be glad when that whole corner of CA falls into the ocean...
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 10:20 AM
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Leftists hate you and would prefer you be dead. Since they can't quite make that happen yet (give it a few more years), they will attempt to destroy your way of life and take a pi$$ on everything you have always held dear, including your own country, which they also despise. All in the name of diversity and tolerance of course.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 10:27 AM
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This comment is the perfect illustration of what misinformation does to someone's mind. Fascinating.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 11:49 AM
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'Misinformation' is just another word that has been repurposed to mean 'an idea I don't like'. I thought you were a tolerant individual. I guess I was wrong about that. Too bad, I like your football recruiting posts.
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Incredible. I posted the same thing, about how this word is attacking
Dec 20, 2022, 12:45 PM
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my way of life, in total sarcasm, only to read further and find someone saying it seriously. It’s truly astounding how stupid and easily triggered MAGA folks are.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 21, 2022, 11:32 AM
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Leftists hate you and would prefer you be dead. Since they can't quite make that happen yet (give it a few more years), they will attempt to destroy your way of life and take a pi$$ on everything you have always held dear, including your own country, which they also despise. All in the name of diversity and tolerance of course.
To what "leftists" do you refer? Do you have a list of people who want you dead?
Are these leftists trying to prevent you from marrying who you want? Do they want you to not be able to legally vote?
I can see your teabilly tears, so would really like to know precisely what the leftists are doing to YOUR life. Does it hurt so bad to say "US Citizen?"
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In other news Tnet voted to remove the word football from
Dec 20, 2022, 10:38 AM
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The football board
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Re: In other news Tnet voted to remove the word football from
Dec 20, 2022, 10:39 AM
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If the leftists have their way, there would be no more football and this board would cease to exist.
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Re: In other news Tnet voted to remove the word football from
Dec 20, 2022, 10:54 AM
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But hey, at least they beat ND... See, I can still make this football relevant
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Re: In other news Tnet voted to remove the word football from
Dec 20, 2022, 10:57 AM
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You just made me feel worse. So thank you.
Those daggum liberals at Stanford beat ND, but we couldn't?!?!
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Re: In other news Tnet voted to remove the word football from
Dec 20, 2022, 11:04 AM
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They realized it was a mistake and fired their head coach for it. They were sorry for making anyone feel "uncomfortable."
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 10:54 AM
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The latest step in an attempt to remove patriotism from the people. This playbook had been around for quite some time now.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 10:58 AM
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I don't remember reading that part in Stanford's actual letter. You must be able to read minds though.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 11:07 AM
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Mind reading isn't necessary. Many are open about their intended vision for this country, but you already knew that. Here's an idea, move to a country that shares your enthusiasm, and we will throw you a going away party. After you're gone.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 11:13 AM
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I love this country though. We have the best national park system in the world. I'm going on a hiking trip to Olympic, Mt Rainier, and the Northern Cascades in May.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 11:24 AM
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We will still let you visit for recreational purposes. The flight will give you time to read the manifesto. Cheers
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Re: Stanford
Dec 21, 2022, 11:35 AM
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Mind reading isn't necessary. Many are open about their intended vision for this country, but you already knew that. Here's an idea, move to a country that shares your enthusiasm, and we will throw you a going away party. After you're gone.
You clearly didn't read the rationale for the specific usage cited in the Stanford paper.
When referring to a US Citizen, call them a US Citizen. Don't call them American, because that is something different.
It's like you guys enjoy getting your knickers in a twist over nothing.
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How is calling yourself a US citizen less patriotic than American?***
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Because we don't speak "US CITIZEN" in this country.
Dec 20, 2022, 1:07 PM
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We speak AMERICAN.
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"Ya dadgum RIGHT!"(with a Southern drawl). Worked absolutely
Dec 20, 2022, 3:16 PM
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fantastic in CT years ago... Ahhhh...
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 10:58 AM
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Sounds like fake news to me. In any case, more suitable for a different message board than Clemson sports...
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 11:00 AM
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It came from Fox News, not CNN
So it's not Fake News.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 11:56 AM
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Can’t be true? But then it’s California so who knows.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 2:07 PM
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This is so insensitive of Stanford. Mexico is Estados Unidos Mexicanos.
Using the term United States marginalizes our sieve neighbor to the South.
Stanford administration needs a war, depression or more virulent pandemic to divert their attention from dumb shidd.
The word police need to find something better to do at The Farm. As someone who worked on their grandparent’s farm, Stanford using that term to refer to itself triggers me and is hurtful.
I don’t think anyone much is confused by the term American except the folks in Palo Alto where all the children are exceptional.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 2:22 PM
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Maybe the soccer guy was onto something with the "STATES" shirt LOL
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Interesting our resident Jounge liberals haven't chimed in.
Dec 20, 2022, 2:12 PM
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Do you support this Tigerbalm1®, quozzel, Birmingahmtiger, etc?
In the words of Birm....I'm waiting.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 2:21 PM
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The word "American" is not the point here. It is one example and while the logic of 'why' might seem okay in this case, it's all bullchit because it is us Americans that use the word American. People in Brazil and Canada can call us whatevah they want - we are not requiring them to call us Americans, like the pronoun mafia does with their specialty pronouns.
The entire effort by Stanford is silly. It's virtue signaling to the masses, and teaching Gen Z that this chit actually matters instead of what you say face to face and how you live your life.
This is another way the lefties judge you. If you don't agree with all their bunk, they (in their minds) are justified in hating you and are exempted from their 'no hate' personal policy. Fake news. Fake people. Fake initiatives.
https://ideal.stanford.edu/
It all goes back to victimhood. Instead of studying how to get more mega joules from a battery these leftists would rather uncover (invent) new racism strategies and techniques employed by white conservatives.
Instead of figuring out ground-truth root causes of why, say, an individual in an urban setting cannot get an education when it is freely presented to them, why they can't do homework, why they can't study for a test, why they can't attend class, etc., these bozos would rather pontificate from 50,000 feet on new unscientific theories as to why the group this individual belongs to has been oppressed and is oppressed and who is to blame for it.
What a joke they all are.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 2:34 PM
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I would love to attend college for a semester in this time of madness. I could have a lot of fun with some professors and woke students.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 4:03 PM
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The word "American" is not the point here.
If you read the original post, you'll see that it IS the point here.
You really sound unhinged when you get so riled up about this nonsense.
If you want to CHANGE the point because the original point was so stupid, that's on you.
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Goodness, this thread is chock full of stupid.
Dec 20, 2022, 2:49 PM
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Stanford isn't forcing you to do anything, nor are they censoring their students' or faculty's speech in any fashion. This is what happens when you listen to a soundbite from Tucker or wherever, and don't look even a few inches past that.
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Re: Goodness, this thread is chock full of stupid.
Dec 20, 2022, 2:54 PM
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We understand that but the fact that they have a list like that with alternative words and rationale makes it impossible to take Stanford seriously.
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Well, thoughts and prayers to Stanford then. I hope they
Dec 20, 2022, 3:38 PM
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can survive you not taking them seriously.
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Re: Well, thoughts and prayers to Stanford then. I hope they
Dec 20, 2022, 5:30 PM
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I don’t take you seriously either.
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Re: Goodness, this thread is chock full of stupid.
Dec 20, 2022, 3:30 PM
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The sadder part is that Tucker, et al, know these people are gullible when it comes to their anger and fear, so they do this on purpose to dupe them.
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Re: Goodness, this thread is chock full of stupid.
Dec 20, 2022, 6:00 PM
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I don't know what I find more striking - the willful ignorance of those who are offended or their objection to the idea that some people think it is a good idea to not go out of the way to offend people needlessly.
Probably the willful ignorance. I guess like science and reading comprehension, "civility" is a liberal construct.
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Re: Stanford
Dec 20, 2022, 3:54 PM
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Stanford is launching an initiative to eliminate “harmful language” from their lexicon. One of the words they intend to eliminate is “American”. Incredible.
Complete bs post. This is the kind of stupid false outrage that fragile conservatives like to have about stupid sh!t and spread it amongst other fragile conservatives who never question anything.
And to be clear (another things that conservatives like to do), it is an absolute lie that they intend to eliminate the use of the word American. Can you not make conservative points without lying? There is clearly ONE context in which they want people to use the correct term, which is most certainly NOT "American."
I want them to add another to their list. It isn't "willful ignorance," it is simply "ignorance."
There is a difference between an "American" and a "US Citizen." I'm sorry that it hurts your feelings that they are trying to get people to get it correct. I mean, it isn't like Canadians haven't been pointing this out to us for-freakin'-ever.
(I assume this is why you didn't post the source - because it would make you look dense.)
Some of the others on the list are quite funny, to me. Some are so... common sense that you would fire anyone who would use them. I always have to check myself when I want to say 'stay on the reservation.' Now it's back in my head again!
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Hey bruh, you're getting angry and shaking your fist
Dec 20, 2022, 6:05 PM
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at a mange bored diarrhea dump post, courtesy of Crump and B-meist. None of the people you're ranting about will ever see this.
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