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Tangent to the friend fallout: Don't be jealous.
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Tangent to the friend fallout: Don't be jealous.

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Dec 8, 2023, 11:07 AM
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So Wife-of has a college friend with an enviable life. Friend's husband has some kind of banking/trading job and has made tons of money. They live in a big house in one of the most expensive neighborhoods in a big city, kids in private school. Husband's family is loaded too, like ferrari collection loaded. Friend didn't have to work and stayed home with the kids, even when kids were old enough to be in school. We get one of those letters every year from them at Christmas that lists all of the international trips and expensive hobbies and annual home renovations and fancy cars and all of the great things about their great life.

So Friend contacted Wife-of a few months ago and said she was going to be in town for HS age kid's sports tournament and wanted to get together for dinner.

Wife-of admitted to me beforehand that she didn't really want to go see her friend because she felt jealous of her friend's fabulous life.

At dinner, Wife-of asks about friend's husband, because maybe we didn't get one of those Christmas brag letters last year.

Welp, turns out...

During covid, husband decided he was going to invest some of his piles of money into real estate, and he starts buying up stuff - with loans, of course. Multiple states, and I think a mix of commercial, residential, speculative, etc...everything. He charters jets to go see these places and make these deals. He decides he is a real estate genius and quits his lucrative banking/trading job so he can do this full time.

Also, he's having some mental health issues. And starts abusing alcohol and cocaine. Meanwhile, time passes and now he hasn't earned any income in 3+ years. Savings are gone. His millions in real estate loans have all gone bad, and they have no way to pay. There are lawyers in multiple states trying to clear all of this up. Husband had made all of these deals pretty much on his own and his wife is now having to deal with the fallout, because he is incapable. Husband is pretty much checked out from reality and still spending money by the fistful. Now friend is having to follow up on her husband and cancel jet charters, credit cards, and purchases he is still making.

They are still in the house, for now, because husband refuses to sell. Not sure how long they can keep it. Kids are still in private school, but they are now on scholarship because they can't possibly pay. Friend has now gone back to work but after a decade + of not working she is starting over at the bottom. Husband is now back at commission-only job, but after a few months still hasn't earned any commission, and is still struggling with mental health and addiction.

Oh, and Husband's rich family can't help, because as it turns out, they are now broke too, for similar reasons. Friend has no real family to lean on, either. With a lot of luck and her hard work they might be able to stay in the house and school while HS kid finishes school, but doubtful MS kid makes it through.

Wife-of comes home from dinner after learning all of this. No longer jealous, now she's feeling awfully sorry for her friend, and now awfully thrilled with our normal, regular, UDP life.

So...TLDR: don't be jealous.

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lots of folks are living behind false fronts and/or very fragile circumstances

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Dec 8, 2023, 11:14 AM
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can go from penthouse to outhouse quick.

Your wife's friend story almost sounds Murdaugh-ish. Pray it doesn't devolve further towards that.

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It's funny, after I learned all of this I started thinking about all of the rich

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Dec 8, 2023, 11:22 AM
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people throughout my whole life who turned out to be broke. Over-leveraged, overconfident, and unable to say no.

Two richest families in the town I grew up in ended up broke.

One guy was a genius investor and super frugal college professor. Lived in old tiny house and rode a moped around town even though he was multimillionaire. After decades, he secretly buys this huge property near town and starts building a mega house. Elevators, multiple kitchens, you name it. I move away to college and years later I found out they went broke, not sure they ever finished or lived in the house.

Another guy literally owned a bank. Went completely broke.

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Wife of has friends that are always bragging about a couple they know.

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Dec 8, 2023, 11:31 AM
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How much money they have, how he retired early, how awesome their mountain house and RV is..etc. Apparently these folks are the best, richest people on the planet. So I've been told.

Husband of friend of invited me to go watch a game and hang out with Mr Big at a local bar. At first Mr Big seemed normal. He's a big dude-probably 6'3 and 275-290. No muscle, but a big guy. I am not a big guy, but I've met/know a lot of bug dudes, and me being short isn't a huge surprise to me when I wake up because I've been this size my whole life.

For whatever reason rich guy gets two drinks in him and decides he's going to remind me..several times, how short I am. I was perplexed by this; he's the rich one who is retired. He won. I'm just a short dude who has a job and will probably never retire. To him, and most people (and me, most days), I'm just another NPC.

Finally, after about the 4th time in 2 hours after meeting the guy he randomly jokes about my height again. At that point, I had heard it enough, and asked him if why he seems to have a problem with my height. He's mentioned it several times, and I'm just wondering what he is attempting to prove. He starts floundering all over himself sort of apologizing, and says again "well, you are short."

At that point I'm like I gotta go guys..y'all have fun. I still don't get his obsession with my height..especially from someone I've never met before.

A few weeks later, friends of's wife asked what I thought of Mr. Big and his wife..so I let her know and she is all surprised and doesn't understand why he acted like that..and asks me "What did you do to him?"

I just rolled my eyes and walked outside.

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Sounds like you were the problem here.

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Dec 8, 2023, 11:34 AM
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There was no reason to be short with him.

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Appaerntly that dude doesn't see many of us in his world.

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Dec 8, 2023, 11:35 AM
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Short people fascinate the rich and famous.

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I thought a ton of the rich and famous were actually short,

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Dec 8, 2023, 11:36 AM
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simply because that global revenge drive is so strong.

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That must have not been included in my short gene.

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Dec 8, 2023, 11:37 AM
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It was transposed with bad attitude instead I guess.

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Maybe he thought you were going to come up

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Dec 8, 2023, 12:06 PM
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short on the rent payment ?

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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


I'll let others decide, but that seems like a swing and a miss to me

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Dec 8, 2023, 12:15 PM
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and since I don't really know who the eff you are, almost as uncomfortable as some tall fat guy repeatedly telling me how short I am.

I get you're trying to tie in several subjects, but the ending execution seemed to fall woefully short. Had that come from say FBcooch, I guess I could understand it because of our somewhat turbulent posting history and his lower IQ. But since I don't know who you are, for me at least, it completely misses the mark.

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lol . . . .***

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Dec 8, 2023, 1:53 PM
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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


Re: Maybe he thought you were going to come up

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Dec 8, 2023, 1:57 PM [ in reply to Maybe he thought you were going to come up ]
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I like your funny words magic man


His ackward way of hinting for a


Dec 8, 2023, 11:57 AM [ in reply to Wife of has friends that are always bragging about a couple they know. ]
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blowie

Since he's so tall and you're so short he probably thought is a perfect match.

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I bet he was nuts over IE.***

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Dec 8, 2023, 11:58 AM
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I dunno. I found it odd.

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Dec 8, 2023, 12:04 PM [ in reply to His ackward way of hinting for a ]
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I'm only a substantive threat to myself, but he certainly seemed insecure about me.

I thought at first he was just socially awkward and was trying to make a joke or something, but by comment number 3, 45 minutes into having met him, it was just weird.

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Hey, one detail needed here.

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Dec 8, 2023, 12:19 PM
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Just how short are you? Are you being persecuted for being like 5'9, or are you like in the near-dwarf 5'1 zone where it's morally not good to be making fun?

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Ironically he's densely constructed.***

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Dec 8, 2023, 12:23 PM
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drunk at the putt putt.


5'8 on a good day.***

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Dec 8, 2023, 12:24 PM [ in reply to Hey, one detail needed here. ]
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Look man, together we make 11'4 so let's get together and go kick

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Dec 8, 2023, 12:39 PM
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that short guy's fat ass.

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drunk at the putt putt.


Re: Look man, together we make 11'4 so let's get together and go kick

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Dec 8, 2023, 12:41 PM
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I like your funny words magic man


I'm not trying to make you feel better, but that's like


Dec 8, 2023, 3:58 PM [ in reply to 5'8 on a good day.*** ]
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1 inch below average. Yeah, definitely strange to me. He was a fat, right?

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Yeah, he looked 20-30lbs overweight to me


Dec 8, 2023, 4:01 PM
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There certainly was no shape other than "blob".

I guess I should have kept telling him that, too.

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Lutz. Let's just say I have a "friend" who is currently locked up in

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Dec 8, 2023, 1:58 PM
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involuntary commitment due to some similar things you are talking about. He snapped. I typed out the whole story earlier in a thread then deleted before posting, somewhat too revealing, I guess.

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I got 99 problems

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Dec 8, 2023, 3:51 PM
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and too much money ain't one

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