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Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 24, 2015, 3:21 AM
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Is Brownell our guy?
What should we do with Coach Brownell [Results]
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He's done; there's an obvious decline in the program. We need to find a new guy immediately. |
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He's done, but let's give him through the end of the season. |
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He needs another season, then we'll see where he is |
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He needs at least two more seasons after inheriting Purnell's mess. |
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He's our guy. Keep him around at least for 3 more seasons. |
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball***
Nov 24, 2015, 3:43 AM
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 24, 2015, 5:24 AM
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Considering the rennovations to Littlejohn I think he needs this year
to see how the new facilities will,or won't help recruiting for next season.
Most people know Brownell loves to play defense,but facilities,old or new won't win many games
when you team gives up 70+ points but only score 60+ points.
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If money were no object...
Nov 24, 2015, 5:37 AM
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I would say let him go as soon as possible. My gut feeling is that he has a solid year next year, we give him an extension, and they he is terrible again for another 5 years or so. Take all that with a grain of salt, because I have no idea what he details of his contract are. I just know we can do better.
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Orange Blooded [2538]
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B, but we re-evauate at end of season. one game does not a
Nov 24, 2015, 5:44 AM
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season make. offensively we were awful last night, but very few teams are going to shoot as well as umass did last night.
i love brad and want him to succeed here, but the proof is in the pudding. so far no dice, but lets see how we do rest of year see what happens. in other words, i don't think he is done as of now, but may turn out that way.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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Clemson "fans" trying to talk basketball
Nov 24, 2015, 6:32 AM
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no less ignorant than USuCk fans trying to talk football.
it's posts like these that make me hate the end of football.
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Let's let this team know we love 'em, but he's done...
Nov 24, 2015, 6:49 AM
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We talked about this ad nauseam last year, many fans wanted a change and see games like this as the reason.
Those that want him to stay will say he's 3-1 and will justify his staying until we're well into the conference schedule.
The diehards will never, ever want him to leave.
Go Tigers!!
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Orange Blooded [4559]
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OP left BB a dumpster fire
Nov 24, 2015, 6:53 AM
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and couldn't keep it on his pants. Just wait until Little
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Orange Blooded [4559]
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john is rebuilt. He'll show
Nov 24, 2015, 6:55 AM
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all the naysayers then.
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As I said, some will never want to make a change...***
Nov 24, 2015, 7:01 AM
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Orange Blooded [2918]
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It's true Purnell left the program a mess
Nov 24, 2015, 7:03 AM
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but in Brownell's SIXTH season, shouldn't he be held accountable for the lack of progress? Let's face it, it's not like the program's improved much if at all during his tenure.
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Re: It's true Purnell left the program a mess
Nov 24, 2015, 7:40 AM
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And if you cant see progress thne you are blind as a bat and know nothing about basketball.
This is by far his best team since his first year.
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So we should make the NCAA's then, correct?***
Nov 24, 2015, 3:25 PM
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Absolutely correct. Recruiting is better the last few years.
Nov 24, 2015, 4:16 PM
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We have a lot more talent on our team this year than in previous seasons. I feel good about this season being an NCAA type year.
I expect recruiting to continue to improve once players can see the finished product. I hope Brownell gets to be part of it. If we go in a different direction, it better be because we are committing to basketball and not because we are taking the cheap way out as we often do in basketball at Clemson.
Oh, and our fans need to give a crap. Most currently do not, and that's a big problem.
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A lot of people on here think we belong as bottom feeders
Nov 24, 2015, 6:52 AM
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Of the ACC and will fight you tooth and nail if anyone brings up changes. To me I used to love Clemson basketball but now I just don't care. With our beyond sorry recruiting and boring style of play I haven't had any interest watching Clemson basketball
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 24, 2015, 6:57 AM
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post this again in January. Last night was not pleasant, but the minute men shot lights out and it would have been a much closer game otherwise. Youth at PG is a problem, and from a coaching perspective, our guys played lazy last night and Brownell was hardly lighting any fires. And of course, their is no identity on offense.
I have a tough time believing he will be retained when we step into our new arena should we fall short of the Tourney this year.
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 25, 2015, 2:05 PM
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I just really don't understand everyone getting their panties in a wad when we lost to a team throwing it in from half court.
Sure we didn't play well, but surely people that have seen this team think that it is very capable.
I guess there are people who are gonna complain, no matter who you lose to or WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED within the basketball game.
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 25, 2015, 2:13 PM
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you must be kinda new on the site. there is a very vocal minority on this board that would not be happy if we had john wooden, vince lombardi or billy martin as our coaches. the only reason it seems like there are so many is the incessant drivel they write over and over and over after every loss. it really is a sad band of idiots that can not be happy. hard to figure out how some survive in the real world.
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 25, 2015, 4:33 PM
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and didn't the mighty tarheels just lose on to N. Iowa or somebody ? ..... U Mass will never shoot that well again.
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 24, 2015, 7:38 AM
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This poll is stupid regardless he is getting two more years.
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 24, 2015, 4:04 PM
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Yeah he has been recruiting with a huge disadvantage. I would like to see the team improve over the year but im good with him being here the next 3 years to see how the new facilities help unless we can get some kind of homerun hire.
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useless poll is useless
Nov 25, 2015, 2:25 PM
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Have you seen his buyout? He'll be in Tigertown through next season, regardless.
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Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 2:48 PM
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Has to go at the end of season. New coach + new arena = higher attendance
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Re: Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 2:51 PM
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Hey you are alive
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Re: Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 3:46 PM
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The program hasn't gotten worse at all.
And your response is gonna be "OP took us to 3 straight tournaments." Same ole, same ole. OP wasn't sniffing the tournament with the team Brownell took to the NCAA's.
Support this team and this coach.
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Re: Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 4:45 PM
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These are the posts that #### me off. If you think Brownell should get more time fine, that's your opinion but don't say outrageously stupid things like "OP wouldn't have sniffed the NCAA's with Brownell's first year team".
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read on here in a long time.
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Re: Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 5:34 PM
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OP would NOT have even come close to the NCAA tournament with that team. You must be forgetting who was there to work with, and the style Purnell liked to play.
I'd love to sit here and explain it to you, but you've already gotten your mind dead set and have completely forgotten the reality of that situation.
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Re: Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 5:49 PM
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Brownell's first year was loaded with upperclassmen that all contributed on the tournament team the year before.
They were all recruited to play in OP's system. What in the hell makes you think OP wouldn't have taken us to the tournament for a 4th straight year?
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Re: Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 7:00 PM
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Yes they were all recruited to play in OP's system, and OP's recruiting was FAILING MISERABLY in his last 2 years.
What makes you think Milton Jennings, Tanner Smith, Andre Young, Bobo, Bryan Narcisse, and Jerai Grant can form a quality PRESSING team? Please answer that question.
Demontez was a fantastic player, but he excelled when Brownell came and he was given the chance to play both 1 and 2, something Purnell never did.
Jerai Grant went from averaging 7 ppg, to over 12. Was 59% at the line, to over 70%. Coincidence?
We'll never know for sure what would've happened, and your certainly entitled to your own opinion. But the roster looked NOTHING like a pressing team. NOTHING. But OP still would've pressed all year long, and it wouldn't have worked. And he would've kept trying (see at UNC in 2008, when we lost literally because we pressed in the final 5 minutes). And the press would've failed miserably, because he didn't have the athletes to do it.
There's not just one reason why OP left. Sure there were problems with his wife. But he also had just lost his best player, he had assembled a team that was not equipped to press at all, and he couldn't get anyone to commit for that recruiting cycle.
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Re: Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 7:06 PM
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Give him the boot at the end of the year . He has been here for 6 years and can't get it done move on .
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Re: Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 7:17 PM
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Like I just said, all those players contributed the season before.
OP had a young Devin Booker and Milton Jennings plus several other ACC level recruits that wound up jumping ship on Brownell.
If the cupboard was bare then, what the heck do you call it now?
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May not have gotten worse, but it hasn't gotten better
Nov 25, 2015, 5:30 PM
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The results have been the same each year with the exception of year one. He has been given plenty of time and has nothing to show for it. Time to part ways and move on, give someone else a shot.
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Re: Hes had plenty of time... the program has gotten worse
Nov 25, 2015, 4:18 PM
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JUST WONDERING SUPER FAN, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAVE SEEN CLEMSON PLAY IN PERSON IN ANY SPORT. FILL US ALL IN ON WHERE YOU SIT AND HOW MUCH YOU GIVE TO IPTAY. WE ALL ARE WAITING.
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 25, 2015, 4:06 PM
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Bring in a young coach that runs an uptempo style of offense. This will help in recruiting.
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Re: Poll: Head Coaching situation for basketball
Nov 25, 2015, 4:21 PM
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I think recruiting will be fine. We've brought in 3 really really good transfers that everybody seems to forget about. Those guys matter too haha Blossomgame and Grantham would be legit anywhere, Djitte might be better than Nnoko now. And he's got another year next year too. 7 footer getting experience when he's cleared too.
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This year and at least one more.
Nov 25, 2015, 4:43 PM
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He has been dealt a bad hand. He, at a minimum, needs one year in the renovated Littlejohn.
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Re: This year and at least one more.
Nov 25, 2015, 4:47 PM
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He wasn't dealt a bad hand. He inherited a loaded team including the best recruit in the history of Clemson basketball, and turned it into the program we see today.
I'm not saying fire Brownell right now, but don't blame OP for his shortcomings.
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Re: This year and at least one more.
Nov 25, 2015, 4:53 PM
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I never said a word about OP.
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Re: This year and at least one more.
Nov 25, 2015, 5:12 PM
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lol who was the best recruit in Clemson Bball history he was handed?
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Re: This year and at least one more.
Nov 25, 2015, 5:20 PM
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Just give it up dude.
When you have to come back and defend the guy year after year that should tell you something.
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Re: This year and at least one more.
Nov 25, 2015, 8:07 PM
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So no answer loser with multiple screen names?
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CU Guru [1146]
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Re: This year and at least one more.
Nov 25, 2015, 5:32 PM
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> He wasn't dealt a bad hand. He inherited a loaded
> team including the best recruit in the history of
> Clemson basketball, and turned it into the program we
> see today.
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> I'm not saying fire Brownell right now, but don't
> blame OP for his shortcomings.
A loaded team? You cannot be serious
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Re: This year and at least one more.
Nov 25, 2015, 5:32 PM
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> He wasn't dealt a bad hand. He inherited a loaded
> team including the best recruit in the history of
> Clemson basketball, and turned it into the program we
> see today.
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> I'm not saying fire Brownell right now, but don't
> blame OP for his shortcomings.
A loaded team? You cannot be serious
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Re: This year and at least one more.
Nov 25, 2015, 5:32 PM
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> He wasn't dealt a bad hand. He inherited a loaded
> team including the best recruit in the history of
> Clemson basketball, and turned it into the program we
> see today.
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> I'm not saying fire Brownell right now, but don't
> blame OP for his shortcomings.
A loaded team? You cannot be serious
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He will probably Tommy Bowden around for at least two more
Nov 25, 2015, 5:22 PM
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seasons. I think Brownell is a lot like TB. Everyone is ready to run him off every season then he manages to pull some kind of upset or win a couple games in a row and settle things down. Although the record remains mediocre everyone gets set into "wait for next year" mode. My honest opinion is if he doesn't make an improvement over last season, and it doesn't appear he will, cut him loose. Give the next coach a fresh start in a brand new building and hope things get better. Our best chance at success is probably to give another coach a chance and hope we strike a diamond in the rough similar to what we did with Dabo. It's a tough gig coaching BB at Clemson, Brownell gave it a good try but it just doesn't seem he is making any improvement year to year.
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