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Re: Why does God allow evil...Can such a God be trusted?
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Oct 16, 2025, 8:07 PM
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Does it really take an hour to explain it?
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If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, nothing happens agianst his will.
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Oct 17, 2025, 12:17 AM
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EVERYTHING that happens or ever has happened is or has been his choice. He knows it is going to happen, and he chooses whether to allow it or not.
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Re: If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, nothing happens agianst his will.
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Oct 17, 2025, 6:59 AM
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That’s basically what the video says but it doesn’t really solve the problem it just relocates it. Instead of “Why does God allow evil?” it becomes “Why does a good God meticulously ordain every evil act?” Saying “for His glory” doesn’t make child cancer or genocide less problematic, it makes God’s character harder to square with goodness as we understand it.
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Exactly. God is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING.
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Oct 17, 2025, 9:43 AM
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For Satan, for evil, for sin, for hate, fornication, serial killers, etc. No matter how one dances, sidesteps, rationalizes, or twists logic into a pretzel, God WANTS all of those things to be a part of this existence. If he truly hates all of those things, then it means that he WANTS things he HATES, or he's not all-powerful and all-knowing after all, and he's just doing what he HAS to do due to limits on his power.
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Re: If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, nothing happens agianst his will.
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Oct 17, 2025, 7:53 AM
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I have stated before and say it again... God has never asked anyone to defend Him or to try to explain Him to the degree many want an explanation for. He reveals Himself through Scripture. The good, the "bad" and the "ugly." But, in the end, it brings everything to the [age] where His Glory is finally known and understood by all. Many can't accept it and won't. But, as Jesus said to His disciples after He had taught them something very hard for them to hear, "Will you walk away, too?" All but the faithful will.
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So, we are not only to believe something, but claim to know it with absolute
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Oct 17, 2025, 9:29 AM
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certainty, something that makes absolutely no sense and defies all reason, because of the claims contained in the writings of ancient men of which we possess no original texts, and we know have been altered over time.
No thanks, but you are free to believe whatever you choose to believe; carry on.
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Re: So, we are not only to believe something, but claim to know it with absolute
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Oct 17, 2025, 3:31 PM
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Thanks for giving me your permission to do as I do. You have mine to do as you do, too! Carry on.
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Re: If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, nothing happens agianst his will.
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Oct 17, 2025, 11:25 AM
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Exactly. He has know way of knowing if anything he just said is true.
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Re: If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, nothing happens agianst his will.
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Oct 17, 2025, 3:32 PM
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Well, no one has proven it isn't true either. so, there is that.
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Re: If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, nothing happens agianst his will.
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Oct 17, 2025, 4:27 PM
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We can’t prove Islam false either, not a great reason to believe something
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Re: Why does God allow evil...Can such a God be trusted?
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Oct 17, 2025, 12:00 PM
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It is an interesting question, if the Bible is to be believed both heaven and earth “failed” in the sense that neither remained perfect. Eventually sin comes along and throws a wrench into things
So 0 for 2 on that front but we are told third times a charm and everything will be perfect this next attempt.
The odds seem stacked against it. Also if it is indeed possible for this third time to work and everything to be perfect… uh.. why not just start with that and avoid #### like the holocaust?
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Re: Why does God allow evil...Can such a God be trusted?
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Oct 17, 2025, 3:19 PM
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He has an interesting perspective and I don’t disagree with much of what he says, but he seems to ride both sides of the fence, dismissing some views, then later adopting them as the correct views.
For instance, he rags on agnostics a bit at the beginning, and then by the end of the lecture is taking a pretty agnostic stance…that one cannot know anything about God for certain, even quoting Job in doing so.
0:45 “There are some agnostics who are agnostics simply because they don’ t care to know…and then there are some who take you through a rational system of arguments on why they don’t believe…”
Later he says,
1:01:00 “This shows the folly of asking stupid questions and wondering why God has to explain himself to you.”
[As Job said in] Job 42:3 “Surely you [God] spoke of things that I did not understand.”
Isn’t that Job taking a rather agnostic position? “I do not understand?”
Or this:
40:30 “[Some believe in] Ying and yang and all that stuff…There are people who have this metaphysical concept that there is a necessity of evil by virtue of the fact that there has to be something opposite good.”
Followed by:
46:10 “Therefore, the existence of evil is for, in the end, to the praise of his glory.”
50:36 “God puts his righteousness on display by the way he deals with sin.”
52:40 “We’d never see the majesty if there were no cross. We’d never see the cross if there were no sin. For the sake of demonstrating his righteousness he allows sin.”
54:50 “We wouldn’t know what wrath was and we wouldn’t know what mercy was is there were no sin.
Aren’t those basically the same concept? That X must exist in order to illustrate Y? There must be sin, and evil, to illustrate mercy? Ying, and Yang?
On a lesser note, I disagree with some of his other conclusions not directly related to his topic. For instance, he says:
49:15 Paul: [The Jews] think that the righteousness of God is attainable by them.
49:30 They think the righteousness of God is attainable to them…They think they can meet his standard.
But Abraham did. He was declared righteous by God. So why wouldn’t other Jews think they had/have the same chance, being the Chosen People? Elijah was taken into Heaven as well, so, the odds may have been slim, but they had examples where Jews DID meet God’s standards, despite what he says.
And his closer was not exactly airtight either…
1:03:30 “If we thought for a moment that you [God] were not in control of evil, we would have no guarantee that it wouldn’t appear in Heaven. And Heaven wouldn’t be the Heaven of scripture, where there is no sin.”
The Heaven of scripture includes a rebellion of angels, and War in Heaven. So where is he getting an image of Heaven from with no disobedience, or sin? Plus, there will be no one in Heaven in the End, once God descends to earth, also per scripture.
From the very same Revelation he quoted earlier:
Rev 21:2
“I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.”
Dwell with the people, on earth, not in Heaven.
Still, it was a good video and I enjoyed hearing his perspective. I do wish he would have focused a bit more on what exactly ‘evil’ is, which I find to be the more interesting topic. His basic position seems to be a bit Muslim…that is, “God controls everything, pray he’s in a good mood and beg for mercy.” The Biblical version of that being:
Isaiah 45:7
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”
In fairness though, he did frame his position and by saying ‘evil is this, and that’, though I wish he would have added…or, Evil could also be ‘this, or this’.
Good Post.
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Oct 17, 2025, 3:36 PM
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I don't believe he is saying God can't be known. He is saying it is fruitless to question who He is and what He reveals about Himself. Job challenged God in that manner... and God challenged Job back, to which Job said, "..."
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Oct 17, 2025, 3:49 PM
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I can see that.
Although in light of that, it is interesting that God never did give Job any answers, despite Job's obvious interest and curiosity.
And in that sense, God said, "You never will know anything about me short of what I tell/show you, sort of half-confirming the agnostic position.
That is, God can only ever be known to the degree that he wants you to know him.
That sort of secretiveness from God ties right into the Trees in the Garden, too, I think. God never did tell Adam and Eve what the Trees even were, he only told them to obey him.
"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."
It was the serpent who told them what the trees were, and he was truthful:
"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
Together, the Genesis stories and the Job story form a pretty interesting picture of God, and his relationship with man.
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Oct 17, 2025, 7:40 PM
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So God told Adam, not Eve, about the trees:
Gen 2:15-17 Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
After this, God made Eve to give Adam companionship. Adam told Eve about the tree they were not to eat from. The Serpent attacked Eve, not Adam. Eve surrendered to the temptation to eat the forbidden fruit. She then offered to Adam the fruit. Sin came into creation because Adam chose to eat the fruit.
Isn't it an interesting thing that Adam could have refused the fruit and left Eve to suffer her own consequences from eating the forbidden fruit. He chose not to abandon Eve; she was his companion in life. One that kept him from being alone. Certainly, he remembered what it was like to be alone for the length of time God took before providing Adam his life/help mate. How long was that? We don't know... but it could have been many many years. Certainly, Adam and Eve could have walked the Garden together for many many years before the temptation overcame Eve. This thought embodies why I do not discuss the "age" of the earth. How long did it take Adam to name all the creatures God created? more than a day, for sure.
Anyway, Adam did not abandon Eve and, I wonder, can a man be "better" than God? No! And God did not abandon man in the rebellion. But, life circumstances did change. And God prepared man for those changes. More than that, something did die because of man's rebellion - it was a lamb. A lamb that God used to clothe Adam and Eve. Already God is teaching mankind something innocent can pay the price for our sin.
But, enough... have a good weekend.
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