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So, the floor for the Clemson job has been established
Jun 7, 2015, 2:34 PM
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It's Super Regional+ or bust. That might be a hard sell. I watched Texas A&M struggle to get out of their regional against Cal. They had an awesome season, but baseball is game of momentum. If they didn't make it out of the regional, would they have had a bad season, even after setting program records in several categories?
I think it's going to be a hard sell to land a truly elite baseball name. Hope D-Rad packs his checkbook.
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Letterman [278]
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Re: So, the floor for the Clemson job has been established
Jun 7, 2015, 2:51 PM
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Advancing to the Super Regional may have saved JL's job this year, but not advancing this year is not why he was not retained.
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So, what's the floor then?
Jun 7, 2015, 3:18 PM
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What are the minimum expectations for the Clemson team on a yearly basis? What are the expectations over a 5 year period?
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Re: So, what's the floor then?
Jun 7, 2015, 3:28 PM
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I think realistically making the cws at least 1 to 2 times in 5 years, hosting a super the same, making regional every year, and hosting 3 to 4 Years out of 5.
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Rival Killer [2784]
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the minimum expectations are don't give the AD smack
Jun 7, 2015, 5:17 PM
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when he tells you to change the pitching coach.
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Link?***
Jun 7, 2015, 5:30 PM
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Re: So, what's the floor then?
Jun 7, 2015, 5:30 PM
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> What are the minimum expectations for the Clemson
> team on a yearly basis? What are the expectations
> over a 5 year period?
Hope.
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It's not necessarily a specific year result, but the
Jun 7, 2015, 3:28 PM
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Confidence that things will get better
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i feel the "floor" is win 40+ games, make the NCAA
Jun 7, 2015, 3:32 PM
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Tourney and host more often than not, be a factor in the conference race, I.e. win it more than once per decade. This level of expectation was not being met.
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We talking hosting a regional or super regional?***
Jun 7, 2015, 3:41 PM
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40+ wins?
Jun 7, 2015, 3:43 PM
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There are 9 teams in college baseball from a power 5 conference with 40+ wins. You are asking Clemson to be in the top 10 on a yearly basis? F.S.U. didn't even crack 40 wins this year.
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Game Changer [1797]
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FSU went 44-21
Jun 7, 2015, 5:06 PM
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Fun fact, Mike Martin has never won fewer than 40 games (I actually think its like 43) in any of the 36 seasons he has coached there.
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Paw Master [17237]
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Re: FSU went 44-21
Jun 7, 2015, 5:10 PM
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They have the exact same downward trend line everyone used to,justify hating Coach Leggett. It just started slightly above ours and remained there.
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I was talking regular season
Jun 7, 2015, 5:28 PM
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They were 39-19 in the regular season.
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National Champion [7630]
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You have no idea what you are talking about
Jun 7, 2015, 8:23 PM
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Nm
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Re: So, the floor for the Clemson job has been established
Jun 7, 2015, 3:54 PM
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what kind of "bust"? A big one?
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Don't panic dude. It will be OK.
Jun 7, 2015, 4:24 PM
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Firings are never pleasant or easy. The coach was not blind sided on this. He knew he had to improve, but the program continued it's downward trend.
Many great coaches don't get to leave on their own terms. Bobby Bowden, Tom Landry, etc....... Those programs seemed to weather the storm and so will we.
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By most journalist accounts..
Jun 7, 2015, 4:29 PM
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This came as a surprise to Jack Leggett.
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I don't doubt that Leggett was surprised to hear that
Jun 7, 2015, 5:35 PM
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he wasn't coming back. It seemed like he'd been in denial on a number of things over the past few years.
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It appears that he thought he was getting an extension
Jun 7, 2015, 5:37 PM
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and instead got fired. Unless you think he is an idiot and was getting bad information from someone close to the AD, I would call that blindsided.
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Re: It appears that he thought he was getting an extension
Jun 7, 2015, 5:47 PM
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> and instead got fired. Unless you think he is an
> idiot and was getting bad information from someone
> close to the AD, I would call that blindsided.
He would have to be very arrogant to honestly think he had no chance of being let go, and would instead, receive an extension. Can you factually claim any sort of improvement from last season?
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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The claim was that he wasn't "blindsided"
Jun 7, 2015, 5:51 PM
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The facts seem to indicate that he was. I don' t think Jack is an idiot, so I'm assuming he was getting bad information.
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CU Medallion [18156]
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I don't believe that Leggett is an idiot. But I would
Jun 7, 2015, 8:33 PM
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believe that he would interpret things differently than your average Joe.
There as many sides to a story as there are participants, and those include not only JL and DR but every journalist, assistant, aide, fan, message boarder what have you.
I hope we make a good hire and I wish Jack the best. He'll make a great hire to bring in for a program working to invest in a step up in the collegiate hierarchy over the next five to ten years.
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Sort of. I'd say that if the next coach goes 5 years without
Jun 7, 2015, 4:36 PM
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a super regional, he'll be gone too, and I'd probably agree with that.
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Game Changer [1769]
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Re: Sort of. I'd say that if the next coach goes 5 years without
Jun 7, 2015, 7:04 PM
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I think the floor would be HOSTING a regional in a 5 year span.
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Maybe the minimum is one win in regionals.
Jun 7, 2015, 7:47 PM
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We have not done that in awhile.
Maybe it's an attitude things. JL seemed to turn off a lot of fans, mostly with his attitude.
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Paw Master [17237]
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Re: Maybe the minimum is one win in regionals.
Jun 7, 2015, 8:43 PM
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Wherein "attitude" means "not self flagellating for losing to South Carolina"
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I say the floor is to field a team that knows and executes
Jun 8, 2015, 1:00 PM
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fundamental baseball, day in and day out, year in and year out. The lack of this is what made Clemson baseball nearly unwatchable for me this year (and last). We wouldn't even get an inning into a game before the first bonehead play, or just out and out poor individual play would happen, costing us runs. Nobody says you have to be absolutely perfect, but you should not be consistently, fundamentally unsound either.
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