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Evidence of White Guilt normalized in our country...
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Evidence of White Guilt normalized in our country...


Aug 23, 2017, 12:40 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/ordinary-white-supremacists/index.html

The title of the article is

White supremacists by default': How ordinary people made Charlottesville possible

By default means "through lack of positive action rather than conscious choice."

This clearly implies that if you are a person that does not stand with the counter-protesters or voting democrats (those taking positive action to resist racism) then you are a white supremacist.

Here is an excerpt...

..But the tragedy that took place in Charlottesville this month could not have occurred without the tacit acceptance of millions of ordinary, law-abiding Americans who helped create such a racially explosive climate, some activists, historians and victims of extremism say.

It's easy to focus on the angry white men in paramilitary gear who looked like they were mobilizing for a race war in the Virginia college town. But it's the ordinary people -- the voters who elected a reality TV star with a record of making racially insensitive comments, the people who move out of the neighborhood when people of color move in, the family members who ignore a relative's anti-Semitism -- who give these type of men room to operate, they say.


What is that saying? Honestly. It's saying that racial hatred and all the associated violence is happening because of normal white conservatives. So if a normal white conservative deserves blame, then I'm sure they should feel guilt.

That was the twisted formula that made the Holocaust and Rwanda possible and allowed Jim Crow segregation to survive: Nice people looked the other way while those with an appetite for violence did the dirty work,

Here was was just implied that white conservatives who don't disagree with Trump on race issues are similar to genocidal murders, only they sit back and let the more violent people do their work. I'm not even going to argue that this isn't true, I'm just making the point that this is clearly what is being said.

Many of the white racists who marched in Charlottesville were condemned because they openly said they don't believe in integration or racial equality.
But millions of ordinary white Americans have been sending that message to black and brown people for at least a half a century.


Here we go, now we are being told that MILLIONS of whites have been sending the same message of the KKK, Neo-Nazis and White supremacists for over 50 years. Surely, he doesn't intend any white people who disagree with this to feel any GUILT over this. [sarcasm for those who missed it.]

This white separatism continues today. Whites move out so often when nonwhites move in that sociologists have a name for the phenomenon. It's called "racial tipping."

Now he eschews the need to be specific and just says "whites" are doing this. See the transition? Starting with an extreme minority of radicals and working to gradually implicate "millions" and now just "whites" in general. Can you not all see what is going on here? This is a CNN article being presented as NEWS.

The angry white men in Charlottesville were just being open about their white supremacy.
Anyone want to deny what he is saying here? He is clearly saying that the only difference between the white supremacists and "millions" of whites is that the supremacists are the only ones being honest about it. Please fully consider what that means.

Certainly he won't become more explicit in who he thinks really deserves the blame and guilt for the actions of a few hundred social pariahs...

If you want to know why those white racists now feel so emboldened, it may help to look at all the ordinary people around you, your neighbors, your family members, your leaders.
But first, start by looking at yourself.


Oh well I guess he feels the social climate is right to let the cat out of the bag right now. He's not talking about racism... he's talking about white people being racist... by DEFAULT.

White guilt is obviously real.

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Granted things have changed drastically since the 60's,


Aug 23, 2017, 12:45 PM

but this article brought to mind a quote.

“I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate.

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”

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Justice and revenge are not always the same.


Aug 23, 2017, 1:00 PM

Race baiters are now a much bigger problem for American Blacks than White moderates or even the exceedingly rare KKK member lurking about the trailer park.

A group of people stuck in a culture primarily focused on asking other people for something (guilt, acknowledgment, reparations, affirmative action, etc) is inherently weaker than one focused on solving its own problems without expecting help or sympathy.

If the BLM focus switched from complaining about white people over to education, financial decision-making, self-conduct, and other much more important things to personal growth, then American blacks would be much better off. Just as any group would be to emphasize thee things.

The same is true for every group/individual on Earth. Every culture has a victim angle. The ones that don't obsess over it are better off. All of them.

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Re: Justice and revenge are not always the same.


Aug 23, 2017, 1:05 PM

The lack of a traditional family is killing our the American culture as a whole, not just the black community. Once we realize this and realize that a mom/dad have equal value in a child's life and that divorce and violence in the home causes chaos, we will understand where we are headed.

The divorce rate and the rate of domestic violence in white and black communities was unimaginable. But here we are.

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Re: Justice and revenge are not always the same.


Aug 23, 2017, 1:07 PM

amazing how the human species survived its first 150k years without a traditional family, but the last 20 have spelled its doom.

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Re: Justice and revenge are not always the same.


Aug 23, 2017, 1:10 PM

I am not saying doom. But to not recognize how important the traditional family is on a child's life is probably why I am assuming you are single with no children.

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Re: Justice and revenge are not always the same.


Aug 23, 2017, 1:20 PM

I know right?, I am so jealous of how happy a person you turned out to be.

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Serious question:


Aug 23, 2017, 1:42 PM

Do you have even a semblance of a life outside of Tigernet?

I'm not being snarky, condescending, or anything like that. It's just: you're ALWAYS here.

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Re: Serious question:


Aug 23, 2017, 1:51 PM

cute the way you always pretend to be new to the forum, as if you offer some unbiased opinion.

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It's actually ####### sad.gif***


Aug 23, 2017, 1:51 PM



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Re: It's actually ####### sad.gif***


Aug 23, 2017, 2:10 PM

I am about 90% sure this is a pawterskination Stanley clone scok.

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So no.


Aug 23, 2017, 1:56 PM [ in reply to Re: Serious question: ]

Noted.

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The thing is, you're presenting an either/or when it should


Aug 23, 2017, 1:17 PM [ in reply to Justice and revenge are not always the same. ]

be a "yes, and" argument.

Sure there are some who embrace a victim culture, but in my experience it's nowhere near most. If inequality exists, it should be stamped out. If someone is more likely to be stopped or searched by police based on appearance, that should be remedied.

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Regarding emphasis, it is an either/or.


Aug 23, 2017, 1:44 PM

The overwhelming emphasis on race relations is "these" people are the victims and "these other" people should do something about it.

This is why some call it racist to say anyone other than Black Lives Matter and call it a "distraction" to black welfare to talk about the black on black crime rate, which is literally exponentially more responsible for the physical harming of blacks than any other group. It's simply not acceptable to talk about Black people's complicity in their own situation at this point in history.

It is simply assumed that Blacks are suffering because of White people.

BLM isn't about improving black lives. It's about leverage.

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Sure, but that really does belong in its own context


Aug 23, 2017, 1:18 PM [ in reply to Granted things have changed drastically since the 60's, ]

Too many people look at something like that and think that just because it's formally similar to anybody now who "is more devoted to 'order' than to [whatever the critic's preferred version of] justice]," that means it's just like what MLK was talking about. They take MLK to be saying that any means of achieving their version of justice is justified, and that any questioning of their means is invalid because of the example of MLK.

But there really are times when disorder might be the enemy of any version of justice. For instance, from a left-wing perspective, the disorder of the 60s begat a conservative backlash that brought Nixon, and then Reagan (who gained prominence from being tough on protesters as Governor of California).

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I get that. But I hear often that things aren't "that bad"


Aug 23, 2017, 1:22 PM

when it comes to equality. If your skin color gives you an advantage or disadvantage that's going against the words of our constitution. And in many ways, skin color still has an impact on opportunities.

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There are other human attributes that give more advantage


Aug 23, 2017, 1:36 PM

and disadvantage. We just don't hear about them because they are not politically useful.

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And because your grandmother won't move when a


Aug 23, 2017, 1:39 PM

tall guy buys the house next door.

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Yeah but because she had a birthmark on her face she could


Aug 23, 2017, 1:47 PM

never get a customer service job, and because she was a woman was shut out of most other lines of work so she had to rely on getting married to an abusive husband because her choices were limited.

You are blinded by your own narrow perspective. Other people have sh*t going on too. Skin color isn't the only thing that matters. It's one of many things. Sorry that limits victimhood, but it's the truth.

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Oh women definitely get a raw deal too. And it's usually


Aug 23, 2017, 1:50 PM

because of men.

I'm not limited to only seeing certain examples of inequality.

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It's far too easy to whine about things...


Aug 23, 2017, 1:40 PM [ in reply to There are other human attributes that give more advantage ]

...over which individuals have no control (i.e. race). That way, the individual doesn't have to change anything to improve his or her lot in life. It's "clearly" the system's fault.

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