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So Im watching tonights national championship game
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So Im watching tonights national championship game

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Jan 8, 2024, 8:58 PM
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and wondered how talented these two teams are.

According to 247Sports, the two teams’ recent recruiting classes rank nationally as follows:

Michigan
2023: 20th
2022: 12th
2021: 13th
2020: 12th

Washington
2023: 29th
2022: 59th
2021: 26th
2020: 18th

Then I wondered where they ranked in terms of transfer classes. In the last four years, Michigan’s highest transfer rank was 17th while Washington’s highest transfer rank was 24th.

It is pretty incredible that both of these teams are playing for a national championship despite not ranking higher in talent level.

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Fire Brad***

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Jan 8, 2024, 8:59 PM
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Jan 9, 2024, 12:03 AM
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Leave Bradskitball out of this, she's talking about a National Championship Game.

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Jan 8, 2024, 8:59 PM
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Good coaching and teamwork goes a long way. Hopefully our coaching changes will get our culture back where it needs to be so we can compete at the same level!

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:00 PM
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I think it's called recruiting and development

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Re: So Im watching tonights national championship game

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:00 PM
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It’s called development. Starts in the training room and extends out to the practice field.

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Re: So Im watching tonights national championship game

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:00 PM
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So I was wondering...why would anyone care what you think?

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:38 PM
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919Tiger® said:

So I was wondering...why would anyone care what you think?


I love how he triggers the majority on here. He is a person on a free message board why be so bothered?

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The ones who are so easily triggered by him

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:45 PM
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seem to be the ones who let which sports team they root for be part of who they are as a person (which is weird) and therefore get personally offended when someone doesn’t share their view of that team (which is really weird). Lots of self-appointed martyrs around here.

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Jan 8, 2024, 10:03 PM [ in reply to Re: So Im watching tonights national championship game ]
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Some are triggered, some love to hate and some just flat out enjoy it.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:05 PM
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To me, these numbers lend credit to Dabo's vision of being developmental, loyal, and only using the portal to fill gaps (not to be the highest bidder for star starters). What is required to make that vision work is a great coaching staff and culture. We used to have it, and I believe we are getting it back.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:15 PM
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Your numbers are inaccurate.

Michigan:
2023 17
2022 9
2021 13
2020 10

Washington
2023 26
2022 95
2021 30
2020 16

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

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Hes using the composite rankings

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:24 PM
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Which are more accurate than picking one service.

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Jan 8, 2024, 10:18 PM
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He said he used 247 sports, which is what I posted.

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My numbers arent inaccurate. I used overall rank, not composite rank.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:27 PM [ in reply to Re: So Im watching tonights national championship game ]
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There really isn’t much of a difference between overall ranking and composite ranking.

The takeaway for me is that these are not teams loaded with 5 star recruits. They’ve recruited well, but not close to an elite level, yet here they are.

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Re: My numbers arent inaccurate. I used overall rank, not composite rank.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:30 PM
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Which means the recruiting services were wrong. I know you posted this as a lead in to a future troll job of Coach Swinney.

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Perhaps youre taking your fandom and love of Coach Swinney too far.


Jan 8, 2024, 10:49 PM
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Just wow.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:27 PM
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I believe a great qb can carry a solid team to elite status. That is what Washington has. Michigan is pretty elite talent wise.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:42 PM
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I believe a great qb can carry a solid team to elite status. That is what Washington has. Michigan is pretty elite talent wise.


And they got that great QB from the transfer portal, an asset that we refuse to use.

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Jan 8, 2024, 11:59 PM
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The winning team, Michigan, has 5 transfers that play. A backup TE that saw the least playing time this year, the kicker, a DB, the Center and another OL that played in all the games and started a few.

No WRs, no RBs, and no QB.

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Heres you mocking the tribute to Ella Breeze by using anothr tragic death

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:35 PM
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as source material for your parody. You thought this was clever and funny.



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That was a despicable post....***

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Jan 8, 2024, 10:23 PM
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Judge Keller®

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Remember the time he wanted to wear a stupid elephant costume


Jan 9, 2024, 12:06 AM [ in reply to Heres you mocking the tribute to Ella Breeze by using anothr tragic death ]
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For the grey out game? So disrespectful.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:41 PM
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They use the portal intelligently and fill needs not build their entire roster. FSU is cooked next year, Colorado will be a 5 or 6 win team. All these heavy portal teams will feel pain in the future.

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Re: So Im watching tonights national championship game

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:41 PM
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Well you want see this because you haven’t blocked, but it’s all about coaching. That’s how we have 3 nattys in football and 0 in basketball. Go to bed

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:43 PM
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Well you want see this because you have me blocked, but it’s all about coaching. That’s how we have 3 nattys in football and 0 in basketball. Go to bed

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:48 PM
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Some seasons the stars align for a team. It takes talent, coaching, drive, and luck. Those seasons don't come along very often for a team. Enjoy it when it happens.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:50 PM
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Right - just ask LSU.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:53 PM
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Auburn had a horseshoe up their butts the last time they won.
Clemson dropped an easy pass in the end zone that would have won the game. South Carolina should have beaten them also.
It takes a little luck to get to the championship.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:57 PM
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Yep. That LSU team had talent and hit the jackpot with Burrow and Brady together for one year. Also a lot of luck. Then immediately back to obscurity. But it all came together for one year for them.

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Jan 8, 2024, 10:16 PM
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As good a team as I have ever seen.

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:57 PM [ in reply to Re: So Im watching tonights national championship game ]
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How many days?

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Jan 8, 2024, 9:56 PM
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These aren’t really meaningful as most teams ebb and flow considerably season to season.

The total team composite is far more meaningful:

https://247sports.com/season/2023-football/collegeteamtalentcomposite/

#14 versus #26

Michigan beat 3 teams ahead of them to get here. Washington had to beat 4 (counting Oregon twice).

Michigan is also extremely experienced - they have 75 juniors and seniors on their total roster (247 doesn’t denote who is and isn’t scholarship on the full roster). Washington only has 39 juniors and seniors. In other words, if any value is given to experience then Michigan probably should have been a prohibitive favorite coming into this season and in this game.

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Jan 8, 2024, 10:33 PM
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Great post. I’ve read on Tigernet that only 8 or so teams have legitimate chance at championship. Surprised Washington recruiting especially not that impressive.

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Jan 8, 2024, 10:45 PM
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Washington has a 6th year QB with over 13,000 passing yards and 105 career TDs! That’s like a 10* recruit

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I like Penix a lot.***


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