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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Oct 23, 2024, 9:48 AM
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Last year, a lot of the portal haters here lived to badh Colorado and Coach Sanders for his use of the portal and cited his supposed lack of success as evidence if why the portal was a bad thing.
Now Colorado is 5-2, not a peep about Colorado here, and now the switch to bashing FSU is going full steam.
It's ludicrous. It just makes the people that did it look silly.
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Oct 23, 2024, 10:04 AM
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No you seem to be the one that looks silly. Reiterating the same BS is a bad look.
Colorado beat anybody? Not ready to say they are now successful but if you think so it’s all good.
Outliers in the way they do business that look good: OSU, Oregon, Ga, Tennessee, Texas. The portal and the buying of players is really working out. They have always been good but now it is basically a guarantee in today’s world of corrupt collectives.
To each their own Bluff but to get on here and start a thread about the success of Colorado is a bit ludicrous. Whatever fits your narrative!
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Ring of Honor [21625]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Oct 23, 2024, 10:10 AM
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He can't help himself!!
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Lame. Feeling guilty about the topic?******
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Oct 29, 2024, 12:24 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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It's only BS to the ignorant and the stupid.
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Oct 23, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Facts.
Abd...if "they haven't beaten anybody" is a thing, that goes for Clenson this year, too.
You really didn't think t,hat through.
See a doctor for that fact allergy you have.
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: It's only BS to the ignorant and the stupid.
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Oct 23, 2024, 10:48 AM
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"When the argument is lost, insults become the tool of the loser". - Bluffton OrangeMan
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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So, you're feeling insulted???******
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Oct 23, 2024, 11:00 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: So, you're feeling insulted???******
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Oct 23, 2024, 11:03 AM
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Me? No, not at all.
Simply showing the hypocrisy of your statements.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Identifying hypocrisy ish and insult.
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Oct 23, 2024, 1:25 PM
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It's just fact. You should get a dictionary...
...and read it.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Marlborocountycoot = cutigerinflorida = bluffton orange man
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Oct 23, 2024, 3:28 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: Identifying hypocrisy ish and insult.
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Oct 23, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Your retort to him included referring to him as "the ignorant and the stupid" and he should "See a doctor for that fact allergy you have." which is also a veiled reference to being stupid.
Those are insults. So your quip you pull out when you are overwhelmed was used to show your hypocrisy
Don't lash out at me because a mirror was held up for you to peer into
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Funny how it's OK for several others to hurl BS and induits
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Oct 24, 2024, 6:39 PM
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Then you single me out for responding in kind.
I'm done being nice to those that aren't nice to me.
Pound sand.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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You should get a thesaurus and look up "pedant" ******
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Oct 29, 2024, 12:26 PM
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Orange Immortal [63864]
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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I'm a Clemson alum.
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Oct 24, 2024, 7:35 PM
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Let me guess, you were never even a student at Clemson. Pfft.
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Valley Legend [12108]
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Re: I'm a Clemson alum.
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Oct 24, 2024, 7:57 PM
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Me??? Student, letterman, Block C club.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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So you didn't pay attention in Logic 101 class?******
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Oct 25, 2024, 1:55 PM
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Top TigerNet [29695]
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You took that class? How was it? Was it an elective or a requirement?***
Oct 25, 2024, 1:57 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Obviously you didn't take it.******
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Oct 29, 2024, 11:55 AM
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Valley Legend [12108]
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Re: So you didn't pay attention in Logic 101 class?******
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:34 PM
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I payed attention in the classes that put me here and here and here……..30 years worth.
Go ahead and post the pictures from your work coot.
And the pictures are sideways because the website can’t handle the amount of data in the pictures. These are good pictures that I won’t crop just to post
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Valley Legend [12108]
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Re: So you didn't pay attention in Logic 101 class?******
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:50 PM
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C’mon….show us the pictures of the deep fryer at Hardee’s.
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Ring of Honor [21625]
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Valley Legend [12108]
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Re: Hey, just curious . . .
Oct 29, 2024, 12:07 PM
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Paris, Arc De Triomphe. I took the picture because the monument was “wrapped”. That’s why it looks funny. It was some kind of art exhibit. Something different.
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Dynasty Maker [3146]
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Ahhh !!
Oct 29, 2024, 1:24 PM
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Ok, gotcha. It reminded me of that vaguely but I figured it had to be something similar somewhere else b/c it looked different. Weird.
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Valley Legend [12108]
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Re: Hey, just curious . . .
Oct 29, 2024, 12:07 PM
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Paris, Arc De Triomphe. I took the picture because the monument was “wrapped”. That’s why it looks funny. It was some kind of art exhibit. Something different.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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So now you're outing yourself as an internet stalker...
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Oct 29, 2024, 11:59 AM
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Demanding other people's personal information.
That's disgusting and appalling. Shame on you!
...to go with the Non Sequitur photos.
Nothing to do with the topic, Skippy.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Learn about small phone keyboards and big fingers.
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Oct 23, 2024, 1:26 PM
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You know what is said about us guys with big fingers?
We wear big gloves.
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Game Day Hero [4325]
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Re: It's only BS to the ignorant and the stupid.
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Oct 23, 2024, 2:30 PM
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I could give a shoot less about Colorado ..but don’t be dissin’ our Tigers in propping them up “Orange Man” ..
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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You're confused.
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Oct 23, 2024, 2:51 PM
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I didn't diss the Tigers.
Discernment is key.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Just pointing out how embarrassing for Clemson
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Oct 23, 2024, 10:40 AM
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To have so many tout a narrative.about Colorado, then run away from it less than a full season later.
It's utterly ridiculous. Bogus.
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Gridiron Giant [15955]
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Here's the deal...I realize that the NIL and Transfer Portal is the hill you
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Oct 23, 2024, 12:59 PM
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intend to die on on this site, and that's fine. We all have our little pet projects. But your rolling out a very common and very boring tactic of lumping a "large" group of Tigernetters into DS haters, attributing it to his use of your favorite tools, and then mocking them.
That's disingenuous.
There are a ton of reasons to dislike DS. Some don't like him from his playing days. Some don't like him for his flashy, unapologetic persona. Some don't like him because of the comments he has made. Some don't like him for the way he addressed the Colorado players that were already there, or the fact that he hacked the team to pieces. Some are a bit tired of getting an average Colorado team in our faces more than normal because there coach is a celebrity. And yeah, some don't like his brash approach to NIL and the Portal.
It can be any one of those things...or any number of different things I didn't list. It can be some of column A and some of Column J. But that doesn't fit your narrative because your goal is to tout your vision of college football, so any negative feelings any posters have about DS has to be reduced to "Ha ha...you hate NIL and the TP but now Colorado isn't terrible."
If you were being sincere, you would address whatever Tigernetter actually, specifically said that DS's team will not be any good because of his approach to NIL or the TP. I have no doubt they are there.
Also, if anyone switched from mocking Colorado to mocking FSU, it's not unfair. The point is to highlight the fact that the transfer portal is not synonymous with team improvement, and in fact, quite the opposite can be the case. And in the case of FSU, since they were touted all offseason as the ones that have officially replaced Clemson as the ACC's King, you'll excuse Clemson fans for highlighting their...shortcomings.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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You've hit to be kidding.
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Oct 23, 2024, 1:29 PM
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I'm not dying in anything here.
I don't dislike Dabo. He's the best HFBC Clemson has ever had. I just want him to adapt, because he is addicted to an obsolete model.
Replying individually to every individual Tnetter that posts bogus things??? I don't have that much time in a day.
If the show fits, wear it. If not, don't. To
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TigerNet Legend [145422]
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Here are the facts...
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Oct 23, 2024, 1:39 PM
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100%: Percentage of teams in the Top 10 who did not use the portal in 2024, but could.
6.9%: Percentage of teams in the Top 10 who did use the portal in 2024.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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What's with that bizarre math?
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Oct 23, 2024, 1:57 PM
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How did you get 106.9%?
I'd love to see that source.
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TigerNet Legend [145422]
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Sure...
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Oct 23, 2024, 2:43 PM
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There is 1 team in the country who could have used the portal in 2024, but did not (Clemson). Clemson is currently in the Top 10.
1/1 = 100%
There are 134 FBS teams. 3 are military academies (Army, Navy, Air Force can't use the portal) and 1 is Clemson. That's a total of 4 teams who did not use the portal in 2024. 134 - 4 = 130
There are 9 spots available in the top 10 (Clemson occupies 1).
9 out of a potential 130 teams in FBS who used the portal in 2024 are currently in the Top 10.
9/130 = 6.9%
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Thanks
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Oct 23, 2024, 2:52 PM
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Classic Appeal to Outliers.
Exactly my point above.
Thanks for confirming it.
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TigerNet Legend [145422]
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I think you missed the point...
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Oct 23, 2024, 3:01 PM
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There are too many variables in the Colorado scenario to claim victory for either the pro-portal or anti-portal factions. I think we can all agree using the portal is not the only change that has happened at Colorado in the past 2 years. And most of the post I've seen claiming Colorado was not evidence of portal success were responses to prior claims that Colorado was evidence of portal success.
A better measure would be to find a school with fewer variables over a longer period of time.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Longer period of time?
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Oct 23, 2024, 3:22 PM
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NCAA vs Alston was decided in 2021.
The Ohio vs NCAA injunction was handed down in 2023.
The Tennessee/Virgins vs NCAA injunction was handed down in January 2024.
That doesn't give room for much of a longer time period.
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TigerNet Legend [145422]
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The portal started in late 2018...
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Oct 23, 2024, 3:31 PM
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(10/15/2018) and the portal is what you referenced in your OP. We now have a six year sample size. I think you have inadvertently changed gears to NIL?
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CU Medallion [18415]
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It's almost like Mr. Logic here employed a Strawman argument in his OP
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to try and get a dig in on people that disagree with his very firm and oft-stated belief that Dabo is wrong with the way he utilizes and treats the portal as head coach.
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Gridiron Giant [15955]
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Hmm. To be clear (and I admit this was probably confusing), DS refers to Sanders
Oct 23, 2024, 5:20 PM
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Not Dabo. I don’t think I accused you of disliking Dabo.
I feel like I struck a nerve because that’s more typos than I see from you in a year. But whatever. I guess someone has to fill the Judge’s shoes here.
Instead of addressing each poster whose argument you are refuting, perhaps some qualifying statement saying that you know a lot of people might not like Sanders for any number of reasons, but anyone who specifically mocked Sanders for his NIL/TP approach should note his 5-2, unranked team. I know it’s not as “slam dunky” but it does foster a discussion.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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You missed the point. Unsurprising
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Oct 23, 2024, 2:58 PM
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My oint wasn't to pump up Colorado. My point was to call out the hypocrisy among TNestterd that slammed Coach Sanders for using the portal in his first year, then crickets when they got to 5-2.
My Clemson education taught me how to look at the big picture and make apples to apples comparisons.
You?
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TigerNet Legend [145422]
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Ok, see how this works: You missed the point. Unsurprising
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Oct 23, 2024, 3:04 PM
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My point wasn't to pump up Clemson. My point was to call out the hypocrisy among TNestterd that slammed Coach Swinney for not using the portal in previous years, then crickets when they got to 6-1 (#9 in the country).
My Clemson education taught me how to look at the big picture and make apples to apples comparisons.
You?
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Re: You missed the point. Unsurprising
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While I do not have the results to back up my beliefs, I would imagine that teams that use the portal exclusively (see 15+ transfers in a given year) relative to teams that do not heavily use the portal will show that the win totals from year to year among heavy portal use teams will vary significantly more than teams not relying on the portal.
This isn’t to say the portal is good or bad. Just that your argument lacks the statistical power to suggest the critics of Colorado from last year were inherently wrong about portal usage when FSU from this year is an immediate counterpoint to justify the claim that when you live by the portal, you die by the portal.
You would need to examine heavy use portal teams vs non-heavy use portal teams to compare the differences in their win totals over the last 3-4 years adjusting for whether they had a coaching change or not in order to justify your argument.
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Re: You missed the point. Unsurprising
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Oct 29, 2024, 12:32 PM
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That get more than 25 transfers in one year are fairly rare.
Colorado did it because it was don't get it continue to suck. It only took them 1.5 seasons to turn it around, despite the naysayers here and elsewhere.
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Re: You missed the point. Unsurprising
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I believe that depends on your definition of "turning it around". If you are basing the definition off of their record this year at 6-2 and not on whether they can sustain winning records for the next year and beyond, then yes, they have turned it around through use of the transfer portal.
One could also argue though that this logic would also apply to no transfers Navy given the two teams similar records of poor performance in recent years.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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It's factual. There was lots of dissing the
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Oct 29, 2024, 11:05 AM
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Buffs here last year...from the same people that hate the portal and NIL
Their turnaround is remarkable.
They dropped off the radar here because they are winning.
The Appeal to Outlier on TNet switched to FSU, just as I said
Funny how they happened when the haters' narrative was mythbusted by the facts.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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The trans you cited aren't outliers.
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Oct 29, 2024, 7:15 PM
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They're maybe near the Bell Curve tails, but not outliers.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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So Colorado being 5-2 is somehow BS to you?
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Oct 29, 2024, 8:38 PM
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Coach Sanders getting the buffs bowl eligible in only second year is somehow BS?
Your magic redefinitions aren't working for you.
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No you seem to be the one that looks silly. Reiterating the same BS is a bad look.
Colorado beat anybody? Not ready to say they are now successful but if you think so it’s all good.
Outliers in the way they do business that look good: OSU, Oregon, Ga, Tennessee, Texas. The portal and the buying of players is really working out. They have always been good but now it is basically a guarantee in today’s world of corrupt collectives.
To each their own Bluff but to get on here and start a thread about the success of Colorado is a bit ludicrous. Whatever fits your narrative!
Has Clemson beaten anybody??? Those who refuse to use the portal are idiotic!!
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Same goes for those who constantly complained about...
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Spiller and Grisham?
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Ring of Honor [23707]
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The Grisham haters should stand up and apologize for being so #### certain
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and so #### wrong.
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Top TigerNet [32378]
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do the lunatic fringers get along with the Outlier switcheroos?
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Oct 23, 2024, 10:15 AM
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and where does the RAG fall into this struggle for power against the dumpers and pumpers?
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National Champion [7978]
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Re: do the lunatic fringers get along with the Outlier switcheroos?
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Out of those, only the pumpers are being proven right
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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The pumpers that pumped Colorado?***
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National Champion [7978]
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Re: The pumpers that pumped Clemson
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Colorado is just a red herring
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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So Colorado was a Red Herring
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Oct 23, 2024, 11:01 AM
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...last year when they were the target of so much disdain here...until they started winning?
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Much of the negativity surrounded his “emptying” of the Colorado locker room. His scrapping of the team was still pretty fresh news.
I like coach Sanders and hope he does well. Without a doubt he has upgraded his roster.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Exactly.
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Coach Sanders dud what needed to be done to improve his roster and team performance. Lots of games left this year, but the turnaround from a 1-11 season less than 2 years ago is remarkable.
Apparently, there's nothing bad about the portal and NIL if you have people that know how to use them successfully.
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CU Medallion [20357]
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Interesting
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Would you say the same of Dabo if he does it his way- not really using the portal? I guess I kinda doubt it because your bias for the portal is clear and if Dabo did that it would blow your mind. LOL.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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False equivalence, much?
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Oct 23, 2024, 1:34 PM
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Clemson and Colorado are very different situations.
Colorado was at Rock Bottom.
Coach Sanders has two choices - same old same old and little or no improvement
OR...radical surgery to try to improve. He's done that in 1.5 seasons.
Clemson was at the top of college football for years. Conference championships, playoffs, and two Nattys.
I realize that it's very difficult to stay that elite every year, but too many other programs have done better by being more adaptable.
We'll see how it works for Clemson as Tre season progresses.
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Top TigerNet [32378]
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probably.. but for me it is a lot more simple
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i just don't like the dude.
haven't since 1989
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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That's an honest take.
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Oct 29, 2024, 12:24 PM
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...unlike those that I called out here.
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Gridiron Giant [15955]
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Which...again...is who?***
Oct 29, 2024, 2:00 PM
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Orange Blooded [2468]
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They still suck***
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Varsity [129]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Lol colorado sucks
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Paw Warrior [4709]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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It is called confirmation bias and everyone does it to some extent (and not just in football).
The best way to combat it is to recognize it in oneself and reexamine one's rationales.
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Gridiron Giant [15955]
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They sound awesome. I haven't checked...what are they ranked?***
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Top TigerNet [28325]
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Re: They sound awesome. I haven't checked...what are they ranked?***
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Oct 23, 2024, 12:48 PM
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Sanders is proving that you can't a winning team through portal players. His present success will soon fall just like last year.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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He proved the opposite.
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Oct 23, 2024, 1:59 PM
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Colorado is successful, at 5-2.
The fact that you said "present success"
is a tacit admission of that fact.
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Orange Blooded [2391]
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There are no outliers.
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Oct 23, 2024, 1:13 PM
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There are only two portal-dependent programs that have switched places this season, and may switch places again next season, because they're now caught in the sort of boom-bust/feast-famine cycle that better, wiser HCs like Dabo Swinney warned everyone about.
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CU Medallion [18415]
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Re: There are no outliers.
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And writing hefty checks for those feasts whether any food shows up on the table or not.
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Orange Blooded [2391]
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Noone ever mentions that ...
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Oct 23, 2024, 1:45 PM
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"Hmm, let me pay someone else's second-string QB $50,000 to come be my first-string QB."
It's why in a few years coaches like Swinney are going to look like a bunch of prophets. When really all they're showing is a healthy dose of common business sense.
No shortcuts to success.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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No shortcuts to success???
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Oct 23, 2024, 2:01 PM
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Michigan, Oregon, Miami, and several others say "hold my beer".
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CU Medallion [18415]
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Those are all programs that have had tremendous success over the years
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Oct 23, 2024, 2:42 PM
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and continue to remain relevant today. Massive investments throughout their programs over decades that continue as we speak. Your statement thus is a canard in terms of this discussion.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Nope
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Oct 23, 2024, 3:17 PM
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Again, Appeal to Outliers.
Why the illogic?
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CU Medallion [18415]
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You used those programs yourself as a false piece of information to make
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your point. You failed. Maybe Google Logic better in the future, Champ.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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It was factual.
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:07 PM
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Your Bizzarro Works redefinition doesn't change that.
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Orange Blooded [2391]
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Only one of those teams
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saw any success. Classic appeal to outliers, I think, is what you'd say here. Nevermind that the outlier you've appealed to now lay somewhere outside the top 25 altogether.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Outliers? Colorado isn't an outlier.
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Its a N=1 data set in this discussion.
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: No shortcuts to success???
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Wait….aren’t those at best, outliers?
I’m not even sure you know what you are arguing for or against anymore.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Your inability to discern
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Is not my problem.
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: Your inability to discern
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Discern what?
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Apparently the topic******
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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So how do you define success?
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Getting blown out by Georgia then not playing another team with a pulse for nearly 2 months?
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Orange Blooded [2391]
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Winning national championships is success.
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Oct 23, 2024, 3:27 PM
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Dabo Swinney and Clemson have been in the running for six national championships and have won two of them.
And while those teams are gone, Dabo Swinney remains.
So I think future Clemson teams will see more success whether or not Dabo Swinney uses the portal.
I didn't study logic. But I like mine.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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It's also history.
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I want more good news.
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Orange Blooded [2391]
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6-1, 9th in the nation.
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Oct 24, 2024, 10:42 AM
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HTH.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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You missed the osr a out getting blown out by Georgia, obviously
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I want better.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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That is the textbook definition of outliers******
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Gridiron Giant [15646]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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If you think Colorado is so great, move on to their site. I'm sure they would love you there.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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My Clemson education taught me to avoid logical fallacies.
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...like the false dilemma you just posted.
It also taught me how to evaluate statistics, and common girns of bias and how they effect perceptions
I'm a Clenson alum. Are you?
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Ring of Honor [21625]
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Re: My Clemson education taught me to avoid logical fallacies.
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Spellcheck is your friend 🤣
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Pedantry is not your friend******
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Wouldn't the assumption that now Colorado is 5-2 and therefore everyone who pointed to the TP as the cause were wrong (ludicrous and silly), be a false equivalency to their logical fallacy?
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Heisman Winner [84198]
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The portal arouses you.
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we get it.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Wrong***
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Ignorance and poor ethics from Clemson fa s offends me.
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Ring of Honor [21625]
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Re: Wrong***
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Still can't spell I see!!
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Still obsessed with pedantry, I see.
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What kind of an idiot ha never heard of typographical errors from small keyboards?
Well, we both know one.
Pound sand.
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Letterman [182]
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Any truth that..
Oct 23, 2024, 10:20 PM
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“Deion” is short for Deionized? Asking for my good friend Duncan Hines
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Tiger Spirit [9794]
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Your Post is of Nonsequitur
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Allow me to explain my point here. Bluffton OrangeMan, we all bore witness to the success that FSU had last season by exploiting the advantages of buying a team from the portal. The argument being made is not the fact that a team can have single season success by exploiting young men in the portal. In fact, I believe everyone here can agree that the portal can bring about success for a season. The argument that Coach Swinney and everyone else is making would be long term sustainable success in the method that Coach Swinney is implementing at Clemson.
The method that Coach Prime is using is not only costly at a price tag of $8.8M last season but does not provide long term sustainable success. In other words, it's an unsustainable business model that creates a condition of diminished returns. If Coach Swinney is able to utilize revenue sharing while recruiting his team from high school and develop them the Clemson way, then we are almost guaranteed a ticket to the big dance each and every season. NIL will be used to retain talent on the roster not to recruit talent from the portal.
Further, it is well established that players in the portal worth recruiting were already set on their school of transfer prior to entering the portal and the rest of the recruits in the portal are simply not Clemson caliber players or even worth considering. In short, it is most likely that Coach Prime and Mike Norvell tampered with players at other programs and as you can see FSU who exploited the portal again is not doing so well. Any inexperienced coach can exploit the portal and win 10 games in a single season, but it won't serve them well when the next season rolls around. Under Coach Swinney's method, the players that we recruit and retain will be at Clemson from high school until they graduate. This ensures that the player is developed under the Clemson system which establishes team cohesion and continuity in the quality of a player. Thus, Coach Swinney is 100% correct in the way he is running the recruiting process at Clemson.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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That's utter B.S.
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The only thing that establishes is that it's speculative, based on a false premise, and confused.
Long term success??? The things you complain about are less than 3 years old.
That's not long term by any rational measure.
Dabo lost 14 guys to the portal just since the bowl game. That's not success or anything close to it.
Bragging about how Dabo develops players ignores the fact that 16% of the scholarship roster from just a year ago was "developed" for the competition.
Claiming that anyone in the portal worth recruiting were taken us a canard. Da o went after 3 portal O linemen and whiffed on all if them. That says that you don't know what you're taking about.
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Tiger Spirit [9794]
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Re: That's utter B.S.
Oct 25, 2024, 6:37 AM
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The guys that Dabo lost weren't going to play much at Clemson. They left by way of mutual agreement trust me.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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So now you're changing your story.
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If they weren"t going to play much, apparently Dabo wasn't developing them.
It still leaves roster holes that require more recruiting and more development than any other non military team.
The bottom line is that you're making excuses for something that's not working like it should. See the really bad play by the defensive backups for the evidence.
And...you're arguing two mutually exclusive things between development and claiming that the guys that left weren't going to play much. It can't possibly be both.
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Tiger Spirit [9794]
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Re: So now you're changing your story.
Oct 25, 2024, 1:28 PM
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If they weren"t going to play much, apparently Dabo wasn't developing them.
It still leaves roster holes that require more recruiting and more development than any other non military team.
The bottom line is that you're making excuses for something that's not working like it should. See the really bad play by the defensive backups for the evidence.
And...you're arguing two mutually exclusive things between development and claiming that the guys that left weren't going to play much. It can't possibly be both.
Dabo is developing them, but whenever you have 5 players at one position, someone is going to ride the pine. Those players who would be riding the pine are leaving. Again, I'm not changing my story because everyone witnessed FSU win the league last season on the backs of transfer portal players. Yet, we are now witnessing the result of such a move regarding FSU. You are evading the question I asked. Which player that entered the portal from Clemson is making waves? Which one would start on our current roster?
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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More than 5 players at 1 position?
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:10 PM
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So what? It's not helping out defensive backups or our special teams right now.
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Tiger Spirit [9794]
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Re: So now you're changing your story.
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I welcome you the opportunity to share with us a team that has used the portal and gained year after year success. UGA, Alabama, and Texas barely use the portal. However, the recruits that transfer to their programs already had a bag of cash offered to them by those respective teams before entering the portal. That is not the Clemson way, nor should it ever be. Recruit, develop, and excel players right from high school and you'll have longevity in success. Clemson already has a Top 3 NIL program in the nation and next season Dabo will be able to use revenue sharing for recruiting out of high schools which should add to his already successful recruiting history. In fact, Dabo seems to be extremely excited about that and whenever you add in 105 scholarships available starting next season, you'll see championship runs more often. Clemson has had 15 stellar seasons in a row with one slightly down season last year. Clemson is not a program in decline and using the portal to build a team shows despair. We are not a team or program in despair and will probably be back in the playoff this season.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Since the portal is only around 5 years old, you mean.
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:56 PM
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It's a short list. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, Michigan, Oregon, and Liberty, at least.
And...you're trying to use the wrong metric.
It's not a out sustained success. It's a iyt route success, fir even one year .
Clemson's sustained success at an elite level ended right after portal use became common...in 2019.
I don't think that's a coincidence.
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Tiger Spirit [9794]
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Re: That's utter B.S.
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Name a player that we lost in the portal that is making waves in the nation right now. There simply isn't any. Beau Collins was never going to start over any of the current WRs that are on the roster. Kobe Pace would be 4th on the depth chart. In fact, the rest of the players that left aren't even starting at their respective transfer schools. What a waste of money, a scholarship, and talent.
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Wait! Mikey Dukes is starting at Georgia State!
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😏 Sorry! Couldn't resist
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Name an Appeal to Outliers to go with Appeal to Small Sample Size?
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You just asked me to do both.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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That's not well established.
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It's a common belief, but that doesn't make it factual.
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CU Guru [1589]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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I’ll give you a peep here.
Coach prime has built a mediocre football team and a less mediocre football program.
If I was an AD he would be one of the last people I would hire as a coach.
The Colorado football program under coach prime is probably the least stable program in the nation.
He has no idea what his roster will look like next year.
The AD has no idea if Coach prime will be there in 2025 or 2026.
No, thanks.
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All-Time Great [97822]
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There's a perspective issue between you and me.
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I'm a Clemson fan who is delighted our Modus operandi is to recruit from high schools and award NIL funds to those who seek education along with football careers, thus retaining those which suit our goals.
Your MO is to present yourself as a better option for Clemson football's head coaching job.
My shirt says Clemson because I graduated from Clemson.
Your shirt says Clemson because you went to Walmart.
You think you know more than Dabo and I think you'd be happier if you just went away.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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That's B.S. Complete Strawman argument
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It's dishonest.
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Ok Bluffton Fake Orangeman***
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Apparently I touched a nerve
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with the snowflakes on TNet.
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Game Changer [1923]
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Re: Apparently I touched a nerve
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Well,that’s your intent
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Mods please put this thread out of its misery already.***
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All-Time Great [97822]
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Re: 5 RAs and it goes away.
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Do you have three more friends?
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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To many snowflakes here can't handle the truth***.***
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CU Medallion [18415]
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Bless your heart.***
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Outing yourself as a snowflake?
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Congratulations!
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Tiger Titan [46614]
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Deion is doing a great job at Colorado.
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It's sad that some people are so against the portal and/or Deion that they can't acknowledge that he's making the portal work for Colorado's situation.
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National Champion [8076]
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This place was so much better without you in it.***
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That tree is still wasting it's time...
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Oct 29, 2024, 1:57 PM
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Making oxygen for you.
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National Champion [8076]
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Cry baby still crying I see. Boo Hoo little girl.***
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Oct 29, 2024, 2:55 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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The trees would be better off
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not making oxygen for you.
You are a complete embarrassment to Clemson...and people with an actual IQ.
You really should get over your anger about Lincoln freeing the slaves.
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Gridiron Giant [15646]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Oct 29, 2024, 12:46 PM
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Don't care and still don't like Colorado.
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Oct 29, 2024, 1:02 PM
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The original post fails to provide specific examples of people who criticized Deion Sanders and Colorado last year for their use of the transfer portal but are now supposedly criticizing FSU for doing the same but ignoring Colorado. Without concrete examples, it seems to me to be a broad, baseless accusation, aiming to create a false equivalency between Colorado and FSU.
Additionally, the OP overlooks several major factors that make comparing the two programs difficult, if not impossible. There are many things that shape a team’s approach to the transfer portal, such as roster composition, experience levels, the extent of transfer portal use, coaching strategies, play styles, and even opponents.
In my opinion, the transfer portal is a good thing and can be beneficial, but as with most things in life only in moderation. Colorado’s use of it can't fairly be compared to FSU’s, as each team has its own unique circumstances and objectives in use of the TP.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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That's because there were so many.
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Oct 29, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Obviously I struck a nerve with a bunch of them.
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: That's because there were so many.
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Oct 29, 2024, 1:25 PM
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Yet there are 1,000 of posters here and the summary assumption you made was clear, the collective group that drug Colorado are the same collective group that is ignoring them to drag FSU.
If you can't see the fallacy in that argument I can't help you.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99534]
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Be prepared to be accused of one (or more) of the following...
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Oct 29, 2024, 1:29 PM
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-strawman argument
-projecting
-being triggered
-gaslighting
-logical fallacy
-embarrassing Clemson
-false equivalence
-artificial construct
-repeating a canard
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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I call out those that deserve it?
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Oct 29, 2024, 1:51 PM
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Apparently I touched a nerve with you.
The volume of logical fallacies, blind sunshine pumping, abd love for an obsolete system if exploitatiin here is appalling. It's an embarrassment to Clemson.
Clemson folks are supposed to be smarter than that.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: So factual explanations are beyond you?
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Oct 29, 2024, 1:49 PM
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Not at all. But you have to post actual facts first, which you didn't and still haven't.
It was an over-generalization, with no actual facts that you speak of. Just some generic statement about undefined groups of posters you attempt to equate to provide a basis for an absurd initial argument.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Wrong.
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Oct 29, 2024, 1:56 PM
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It is a fact that many posters here used last year's Colorado team as an example if how NIL and the portal didn't work
I didn't call out anyone that didn't do that.
Ergo, your response us a canard.
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: Wrong.
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Oct 29, 2024, 2:27 PM
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It is your ASSumption that those two groups of people are in fact completely the same. It is the premise of your original post, because without the entire post wouldn't make sense. Its not even debatable that you have provided no facts to support that assumption.
Ergo you created a false equivalency between those 2 groups of unnamed posters while also completely ignoring all other factors for both programs.
I am sure you can find examples to back your original point, so do as you like to tell people, do some research. But you didn't, you made an over-generalization about of groups of people. So its at best a half baked theory with no critical thought or research and at worst a disingenuous attempt at trolling.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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It's not an assumption.
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Oct 29, 2024, 2:59 PM
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The responses here are demonstrative of the old southern saying
"Hit dogs bark".
Lots of barking on this one...
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National Champion [8076]
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The irony of that comment is, undoubtedly lost on your deficient mind.***
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Oct 29, 2024, 3:20 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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More of your mindless B.S.
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Oct 29, 2024, 7:42 PM
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It's all you've got...besides your sicko obsession with me.
Get help. The serious, professional kind.
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: It's not an assumption.
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Oct 29, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Thank you for the admission that you provided no actual facts and simply threw out an over-generalization in order to attempt to make a very weak point.
Thank you, you are excused now.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Not even.
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Oct 29, 2024, 7:40 PM
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No thank you for ignoring the obvious.
Your false narrative is excused.
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: Not even.
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Oct 29, 2024, 8:16 PM
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This is a nonsensical response
You’ve been completely unable to provide any cogent response that supports your nonspecific, general castigations in your original post or refute my response to it. When challenged to back any of it up, you make weak attempts at misdirection
It seems pretty clear that when called on your falsehoods you throw out insults, start with gibberish response or completely ignore people.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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An inability to discern on your part
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Oct 29, 2024, 8:37 PM
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Isn't my problem. If your short term memory can't remember the TNetters that demonized Colorado and Coach Sanders last season, that's not my problem. Apparently, my pointing out that competing Sanders in Year 1 to Dabo in Year 15 was sacrilege to those folks.
Obviously, my dart hit the bullseye, given the foaming at the mouth responses from so many others in this thread.
I'm not going to go back a year just to satisfy your arrogant demands for something that there's plenty of evidence for today.
If you were one of them, good for you.
If you were, then your responses here are disingenuous, to say the least.
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Dynasty Maker [3559]
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Re: An inability to discern on your part
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Oct 29, 2024, 8:51 PM
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Assuming more facts once again. Where did I say I didn’t remember them? Please point that out. This is where your posts typically break down.
I will assume you choose not to challenge my post on your weak attempt in your OP that is ripe with false equivalencies. The alternative is that you are incapable.
I don’t mind you think I am arrogant because I challenged you to back up your statements, you say that because you can’t and we both know it. You made an inflammatory (troll) statement that was so general it’s impossible to backup.
It is however a lot hypocritical to label my challenge to you as arrogant given your recent posts here in TNet and how you “speak” to people. Happy to show you that mirror as well if you wish. Sort of like your silly quip about insults being the tool of a loser which you’ve quickly abandoned.
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Ring of Honor [21625]
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Re: If the show fits, wear it.
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Oct 30, 2024, 11:04 AM
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Spell check coot!!
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Orange Blooded [2468]
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Is getting 40 new players every year make a program that will sustain success?***
Oct 29, 2024, 1:27 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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That's bogus.
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Oct 29, 2024, 3:00 PM
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Who, exactly dud that every year?
I'll pop some popcorn and wait.
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National Champion [8076]
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I seriously doubt you even know how to pop popcorn.***
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Oct 29, 2024, 3:21 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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And you'd be wrong, as always.
Oct 30, 2024, 8:11 AM
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Get your nurse to spoon up your gruel.
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Ring of Honor [21625]
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Orange Blooded [2468]
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Colorado has done it the last 2 years.***
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Orange Blooded [2468]
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They've got 35 and 42 transfers last 2 years. That doesn't count recruits***
Oct 29, 2024, 3:34 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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It would be laughable how many snowflakes were triggered
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Oct 29, 2024, 7:08 PM
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by this post, if it were not so embarrassing for Clemson.
No thanks to those of those of you who got so triggered. It simply reinforced our competition's stereotype that Clemson fans are ignorant hillbillies. How utterly embarrassing for those if you who got so triggered.
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National Champion [8076]
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Cry more little snowflake !***
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CU Medallion [18415]
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Admit it. You're a Macedonian troll masquerading as a Clemson
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grad here to stir up junk and rob of us our precious bodily fluids while we're distracted with your incessant ramblings. Yeah?
Warm?
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Orange Blooded [2468]
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Ring of Honor [21625]
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Game Day Hero [4167]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Oct 29, 2024, 8:49 PM
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No body gives a #### about Colorado.
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Heisman Winner [78359]
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Here's a peep, coot..
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Oct 29, 2024, 9:01 PM
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Head Coach [976]
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Re: Appeal to Outliers switcheroo
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Oct 29, 2024, 9:06 PM
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72 out of 165 posts on this thread (to date) have been you. Not sure what that says, but probably nothing positive.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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It says that I respond to less than half of the posts directed at me.
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Oct 29, 2024, 9:14 PM
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Basic math.
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Head Coach [976]
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Re: It says that I respond to less than half of the posts directed at me.
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Oct 29, 2024, 10:03 PM
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Swing and a miss. 165 - 72 = 93 that weren’t you. Not all of those were directed at you. But even if they were, half of 93 is 46.5. Let’s round up to 47.
72 > 47
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