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Re: So Clemson finishes 54th in the Director's Cup standings
Jul 3, 2012, 8:42 AM
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You do realize that a lot of teams ahead of us have nearly twice as many sports programs to gather points
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Re: So Clemson finishes 54th in the Director's Cup standings
Jul 3, 2012, 8:43 AM
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The problem with the directors cup is the fact that it counts the top 10 sports for both women and men. That means schools that can carry more sports will usually finish higher in the standings.
Clemson has a small student body meaning it cannot field as many sports teams as other Universities. That means unless Clemson does really well in every sport it fields it will never rank highly in the Directors cup.
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CU Medallion [60244]
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my exact point-fencing and rifle count the same as football
Jul 3, 2012, 8:47 AM
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and basketball.
My opinion is that it is one of the stupidest "awards" in college sports, and I wonder why it gets the time of day.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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It gets publicity because Learfield Sports sponsors it
Jul 3, 2012, 9:35 AM
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Learfield Sports does radio and other media broadcasts for about 60 schools/conferences.
Its a self promotion thing.
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Re: It gets publicity because Learfield Sports sponsors it
Jul 3, 2012, 10:49 AM
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True. I wish that Learfield was doing something for Clemson. I think we could do a lot better than teaming up with that bunch. Clemson once had a quality media program until Robinson sold us out.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Those rankings are about quantity, not quality of programs
Jul 3, 2012, 8:47 AM
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Stanford has 36 programs. I don't think we need to start a fencing program (although South Carolina has a couple of fences on the football team  ) or a squash team to move up the standings.
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Doesn't the note about 20 teams mean that only 20 teams from
Jul 3, 2012, 9:06 AM
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a school will be considered?
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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But its the TOP 20 teams
Jul 3, 2012, 9:30 AM
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if you have to count only half of your teams you are only going to count the teams with higher rankings.
And then when you throw in that a number of those sports only have a handful of teams to compete, you are bound to have more top 10 finishes.
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I don't have time to analyze this much but here are a couple
Jul 3, 2012, 9:04 AM
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of ideas. I've never been too concerned about the Director's Cup because other schools have more teams. However, at the top of that spreadsheet there's a note that reads, "20 total teams can be scored for the final standings (10 M, 10 W sports)." Sounds like they try to level the playing field a little more than I thought. But then there are only 13 teams listed.
What would mean something to me is to know how our score this year compares to our scores from the last five or ten. That would give a decent indication of the direction we're headed.
BTW, as much as we love to bash Vandy. Look who's a couple of spots ahead of us.
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Yes I would
Jul 3, 2012, 9:09 AM
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I would gladly sacrifice one of the big 2 to have the other one as successful as Duke. Do you really think Duke would trade their past 3 years in basketball for our past 3 years in football?
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Re: Yes I would
Jul 3, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Duke ranks highly because they're regularly highly ranked in several sports. (Basketball, Lacrosse, Women's Golf, Women's Tennis, etc.)
It isn't directly tied to their basketball success, and I'd take our football team over their basketball team any day.
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I said nothing about the Cup.
Jul 3, 2012, 11:24 AM
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I agree that the Director's Cup doesn't matter, but you guys have to come up with better arguments than UNC/Duke/Stanford.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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But you said
Jul 3, 2012, 11:31 AM
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You'd trade athletic programs with Duke. I took that to mean that you gave weight to the LSD Cup (that's a fun acronym).
The only athletic program I'd trade with might be Stanford, as they've had success in just about every sport, including Football, Baseball, and Basketball.
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In 2006-2007
Jul 3, 2012, 9:12 AM
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Florida won the division one national championships in football and basketball. They finished 6th in the Director's Cup standings. That tells you all you need to know about the Director's Cup. If you gave every division one athletic director in the country the option to win the national championships in football and basketball, or to win the national championship in every other sport they field in a given year, which would they choose?
Some ask how many baseball championships would equal one football championship. With the directors cup, you're asking how many fencing national championships, 3rd place women's golf finishes, top ten field hockey teams, runner up synchronized swimming, final four softball teams and national champ squash teams equal a football and basketball national championship.
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It does matter, just not that much.***
Jul 3, 2012, 9:48 AM
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Re: So Clemson finishes 54th in the Director's Cup standings
Jul 3, 2012, 10:49 AM
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a lot of it is indicative of the fact that Clemson doesn't field NEARLY as many teams as many of the larger public universities--or ones with huge endowments--do. It reminds me of the stupid "cup" the ACC began awarding back in the '70's to the overall champion of all sports in the ACC. unc won the danged thing EVERY year because they offered about 12 more sports than Clemson did and points were awarded for the finish in each---although in the 80's, Clemson finished second a couple of times and nearly won the darn thing.
Another thing, seeing unc in the top 10 makes one acknowledge academics have absolutely nothing to do with the Sears Cup---seeing as how the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation is investigating criminal fraud in academics at the campus in chapelhole
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Typical TNET denial and excuses, let me enlighten you folks
Jul 3, 2012, 12:15 PM
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As usual some folks are on here dismissing anything that doesn't reinforce their delusions of Clemson. Some of the comments are factually incorrect and others are just typical silly excuses.
1. YES, it matters. It is a measure of your schools athletic commitment and success.
2. Student body size is meaningless. It has no bearing on this.
3. Learfield promoting it is meaningless. The Director's Cup has been around a long time in various shapes and forms with numerous title sponsors. Our highest finish was 11th in 1981-82 school year. It was called the "Sear's Cup" back then. And it has always been promoted and followed.
4. Number of teams fielded is not that important. The poll does NOT total points for the entire athletic department. It use to, but that was changed years ago. The poll only counts 20 teams, the top 10 girls and boys teams. We field 19 teams, same as FSU, which finished 5th.
We finished 8th in the ACC. By any measure that is pathetic.
There are only 3 ACC programs that spend significantly more money than Clemson, yet 7 ACC programs finished ahead of us.
Sorry folks, but the bottom line is our athletic department and our programs are poorly run and managed. Our AD does not manage money effectively and efficiently. Most of our programs are poorly coached and under achieve.
There are programs ahead of Clemson with much smaller student bodies, programs that spend less on athletics, and programs with far less recognizable brands. Why? Because our admin does not value athletics the way the fan base does.
Honestly, I don't care where we finish overall, but we should be one of the highest ranked ACC programs. Finishing 8th out of 12 ACC programs ain't gonna cut it! That's unacceptable!!
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I agree. As quickly as Clemson fans turn on coaches.
Jul 3, 2012, 12:27 PM
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This AD has been a complete and total failure. And you rarely hear anything about old TDP.
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Re: I agree. As quickly as Clemson fans turn on coaches.
Jul 3, 2012, 12:36 PM
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I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that, no matter how bad TDP is, he'll never be as bad as his predecessor
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There's is that...***
Jul 3, 2012, 2:33 PM
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The whole thing is a joke. Ex Alabama finished 23rd
Jul 3, 2012, 1:58 PM
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And 5th in the SEC. They won NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS in Football, Gynmastics, Womens Golf and Softball. You'd be hard pressed to find a school that had a better year athletically than Alabama, but they finished behind 22 other powerhouses such as Virginia, Duke, Minnesota. Do you want UCLA's athletic program or Alabama's?
Sure it only takes the top 10 mens and top 10 women's sports, but if those top 10 sports are in sports where very few schools also compete, its easier to rake in the poitns. How many schools have an NCAA fencing program? How many schools have a gymnastics, water polo, rifle etc program. If half your teams are competeing in sports where only 20-30 schools also have programs its easy to rack up the points. You are almost guaranteed to get top 20 finishes and championships in niche sports.
Maybe we should start a skiing program to get another top 10 finish. There are only 13 D1 schools that compete.
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Duke and Minnesota CLEARLY have better athletics than Bama..
Jul 3, 2012, 2:37 PM
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Welcome to Blue_Faddy's world. Eat some paint chips, get a USuC degree, and sniff some glue... then it may all make sense.
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Rock Defender [54]
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So you do think Duke and Minnesota have better athletics
Jul 5, 2012, 10:31 PM
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than Alabama?
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That's reasonably competitive, so I guess we're ok with it.***
Jul 3, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Re: So Clemson finishes 54th in the Director's Cup standings
Jul 3, 2012, 2:07 PM
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They use Clemson/ FlST football earnings to play the sports that really don't matter, unless you are in it for all sports. Clemson is cutting back and the other schools are moving up. In a way it kinda pisses me off, but in the big picture it really doesn't matter. Just try to be the best in ever sport you play! Go Tigers.
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Re: So Clemson finishes 54th in the Director's Cup standings
Jul 5, 2012, 10:31 PM
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No.
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Re: So Clemson finishes 54th in the Director's Cup standings
Jul 5, 2012, 11:16 PM
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Fall
W. Cross Country*
M. Cross Country*
Field Hockey
Football*
W. Soccer*
M. Soccer*
W. Volleyball*
M. Water Polo
Winter
W. Basketball*
M. Basketball*
W. Bowling
Fencing
W. Gymnastics
M. Gymnastics
W. Ice Hockey
M. Ice Hockey
Rifle
Skiing
W. Swimming* (Ending)
M. Swimming* (Ending)
W. I. T&F*
M. I. T&F*
M. Wrestling
Spring
M. Baseball*
W. Golf
M. Golf*
W. Lacrosse
M. Lacrosse
W. Rowing*
W. Softball
W. Tennis*
M. Tennis*
W. O. T&F*
M. O. T&F*
M. Volleyball
W. Water Polo
Out of 36 varsity sports, I count a total of 19 sports we are in and 17 we are not. Swimming is ending, W Golf is being added leaving us at 18 in and 18 out.
Stanford has 19 Women's Varsity sports and 16 Men's Varsity sports. That's 35 varsity level sports...and they have won this award THE LAST 17 YEARS.
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