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TNET: Goodwin talks reuniting with Venables, lessons learned from Clemson tenure
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Re: TNET: Goodwin talks reuniting with Venables, lessons learned from Clemson tenure
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Apr 17, 2025, 8:11 AM
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A Thank you to Dabo would've been the gentlemanly thing
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Re: TNET: Goodwin talks reuniting with Venables, lessons learned from Clemson tenure
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Apr 17, 2025, 10:00 AM
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Exactly, but be sure that I don't have any tears for him, he caused me to have more than enough tears waisted from watching his defense play, and if it hadn't been for all the talented players that BV left behind, there would have been a lot more tears than there was from watching his defenses play!!!
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He said in the two months he has been out there
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Apr 17, 2025, 8:15 AM
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With Venables he has learned so much about coaching LB and tech. Uhmm how did he not learn all that stuff coaching under Venables for what 7 years already at Clemson? I doubt BV has changed much with how he coaches LB’s. I guess he had to say something
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Re: He said in the two months he has been out there
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Apr 17, 2025, 10:33 AM
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Recall he wasn’t in the LB room when BV coached at Clemson. He got the LB coaching job when BV left and the position coach was vacated. Wes was given that role as well as DC. Wes was in way over his head. It was a bad experiment.
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Re: He said in the two months he has been out there
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Apr 17, 2025, 12:25 PM
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Absolutely. All those Tiger netters with something to vent should direct it at Dabo.
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Still cant believe Dabo made the mistake of giving him the job
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Apr 17, 2025, 8:18 AM
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Probably gonna be one of his biggest regrets even though he would never admit to it.
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Re: Still cant believe Dabo made the mistake of giving him the job
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Apr 17, 2025, 8:36 AM
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I suspect dabo sort of used the hope of DC to mget him to stay and then had to honor that when BV left. BV is one of the best coaches ever at Clemson so he was a tough asct to follow and WG was not clost to being ready for that
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JK... much of the hate you get on here is over the top, but
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Apr 17, 2025, 9:22 AM
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you definitely are fulfilling the prophecy of a Dabo-hating troll with crap posts like this.
Dabo is still the head coach of a top 25 program and has won two NCs. He has not failed. Has he made mistakes? Yes. Did he say he's never made mistakes? No.
Come on...
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People like you lose credibility when you cant focus on the topic at hand.
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Apr 17, 2025, 9:41 AM
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Defaulting to “Dabo has won two national championships” is a weird flex. No one is doubting Dabo’s success as our coach. No one trying to take that away from him.
However, making what was one of the worst and most illogical coordinator hires in power 5 football history is also part of his resume. Making arrogant comments like “I have never failed at anything in my life” seem even dumber in light of that.
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Re: People like you lose credibility when you cant focus on the topic at hand.
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Apr 17, 2025, 10:25 AM
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Using one hire and extrapolating to "failure" is also nonsensical. Having hired hundreds of people throughout my career, some worked out better than others. Sometimes there were those that I thought would be good that turned out to be great. Sometimes there were those I thought would be great turned out to be duds. But using any isolated example as a testimony of my career is ridiculous. All careers have moments of highs and lows, and simply because of a low, does not mean one has "failed" in their job or career. Dabo's heat of the moment comment was about failure on the large scale; something he set out to do, not each and every decision along the way. It is undeniable, by ANY REASONABLE measure, he has succeeded as a college football coach.
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Well said***
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Apr 17, 2025, 9:51 PM
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Re: People like you lose credibility when you cant focus on the topic at hand.
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Apr 19, 2025, 9:00 PM
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Hiring Wes was an epic fail by Dabo and irresponsible . Wes had never even played football yet Dabo made him the defensive coordinator ?? That hire set us back years . There is no defending this failure in judgement by Dabo .
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Re: People like you lose credibility when you cant focus on the topic at hand.
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Apr 17, 2025, 12:29 PM
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Defaulting to “Dabo has won two national championships” is a weird flex. No one is doubting Dabo’s success as our coach. No one trying to take that away from him.
However, making what was one of the worst and most illogical coordinator hires in power 5 football history is also part of his resume. Making arrogant comments like “I have never failed at anything in my life” seem even dumber in light of that.
Nah .... it isn't a weird flex.... Brownell could learn from Coach Swinney...
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Re: People like you lose credibility when you cant focus on the topic at hand.
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Apr 19, 2025, 8:19 PM
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Judge Keller®
It's not a weird flex. It's literally the highest level of achievement for a football team. It would be a weird flex for SC to talk about their national championship winning coach when Spurrier and Holtz were there.
When Dabo was hired, he said in his press conference that he had never failed at anything in his life. He then went on to win two national championships. The program is still one of the best in the country so even if it has declined some from its peak, it's still a long way from being failure. To say that one or even multiple mistakes makes him a failure as a coach makes you a troll or an idiot.
I have watched the JK/Brownell posts from afar as a longtime Tnetter, and I agree that Brownell hate has been unwarranted. That, however, doesn't mean that what you do in posts like this isn't trolling. It is and it's quite hurtful to your cause. But, no amount of me or anyone else saying it will change you.
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Re: JK... much of the hate you get on here is over the top, but
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Apr 17, 2025, 10:24 AM
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Yes but, what have we won since 2018. I personally don't have anything heavy against Dabo, and I don't know anybody that I would rather have as our HC more than Dabo, but Dabo hasn't been mistake free with some of the judgements he's made sense 2019. We can love Dabo bc of the type of man that he is, and most of believe that he's a good guy that is good for Clemson but he was hired to be the best FB HC that he can possibly be, but some of his hires were questionable for Dabo after losing Brent Venables, Tony Elliott, and Jeff Scott...
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Re: JK... much of the hate you get on here is over the top, but
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Apr 17, 2025, 10:38 AM
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BV was no doubt the game changer. I don’t think Scott or Elliot were great, they were average, but they had the benefit of having Watson and Lawrence at QB. Those two QB’s can make any coordinator look good.
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Re: JK... much of the hate you get on here is over the top, but
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Apr 17, 2025, 10:50 AM
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Well....since 2019, we have gone 50-16 in the regular season, started and finished each year in the AP top 20, and won 3 conference championships.
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Thats nice, but Dabo has been the second highest paid coach in college FB
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Apr 19, 2025, 10:57 PM
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during that span. Finishing in the top 20 and winning a few conference championships in a weak conference doesn’t mean much when we haven’t contended for a national championship since then.
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Since 2019 we have the sixth best winning percentage in the country.
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Apr 17, 2025, 12:22 PM
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We have won the conference four out of six years.
We have been to the playoffs three out of six years.
It is remarkable that we have fans who ask what we have won since our last national championship. Five teams out of 134 have won it since we last won it. Five. You guys do know that a lot of other programs are trying really hard, with as good or better resources, to win it all, right? Some of you act like it’s Clemson’s Championship unless Dabo doesn’t do things competently and throws it away.
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Re: Since 2019 we have the sixth best winning percentage in the country.
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Apr 17, 2025, 12:32 PM
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We have won the conference four out of six years.
We have been to the playoffs three out of six years.
It is remarkable that we have fans who ask what we have won since our last national championship. Five teams out of 134 have won it since we last won it. Five. You guys do know that a lot of other programs are trying really hard, with as good or better resources, to win it all, right? Some of you act like it’s Clemson’s Championship unless Dabo doesn’t do things competently and throws it away.
Exactly...
There are a lot of programs that would kill for a 5/6 year stretch like that....
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Re: Dabo told us that he has never failed at anything in his life.***
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Apr 17, 2025, 10:09 AM
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He may say and even believe that, but I know of 3 hires that he made as being the reasons that our Tigers haven't done anything special since 2020. If we would have been in the SEC, there wouldn't have been any doubt in anybody's mind that those 3 hires hurt our FB program worse than what we saw bc we were playing in the ACC...
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Re: Kevin Steele says hello- 70 point Steal you mean
Apr 17, 2025, 9:58 AM
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he sure stole a DC paycheck for that game
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Re: Kevin Steele says hello.***
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Apr 17, 2025, 10:28 AM
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Kevin Steele was a much better DC than Goodwin and IMO Goodwin had all around better players than what Steele had. Our FB team was still in a building stage when Steele was our DC...
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Re: TNET: Goodwin talks reuniting with Venables, lessons learned from Clemson tenure
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Apr 17, 2025, 8:20 AM
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I'm sure that defensive performance by his defense at Texas will be comforting to OU fans.
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Re: TNET: Goodwin talks reuniting with Venables, lessons learned from Clemson tenure
Apr 17, 2025, 8:51 AM
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Was it just me or did Wes Goodwin take a few backhanded jabs at Dabo and Clemson?
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It is just you.***
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Pot meet kettle...***
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I am happy for him. This will be better for him and Clemson.
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Apr 17, 2025, 8:49 AM
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I think he’s back to doing what he does best. I think things will go well for him. Being the DC was not a good fit for him. He’s more analytical and good for input in the grand scheme of a defense. However, being the leader and chief motivator does not fit his personality.
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Re: I am happy for him. This will be better for him and Clemson.
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Apr 17, 2025, 8:56 AM
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I agree with you. I think the booth and analytics are what he's great at, but on the field coaching? Not so much (really, not at all).
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Here is my simplistic explanation of Wes' situation.
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Apr 17, 2025, 9:56 AM
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There is no doubt in my mind he knows X and O football. He knows how to develop a game plan.
I also think he knows how to communicate that game plan to the assistant coaches and to the players.
But, someone told me years ago, "All coaches demand respect. Successful coaches command respect."
I don't know how to explain it. But, I've seen it over and over again. There are some coaches that people just seem to have respect. They don't have to contnually be trying to earn respect. They have earned it and everybody just recognized there is "soemthing different" about that guy.
I don't think Wes ever grew into the guy who COMMANDED respect.
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Re: Here is my simplistic explanation of Wes' situation.
Apr 17, 2025, 10:31 AM
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Bingo, Goodwin's players controlled him!!!
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Re: TNET: Goodwin talks reuniting with Venables, lessons learned from Clemson tenure
Apr 17, 2025, 11:34 AM
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I think Dabo will ultimately prove to be right when he admitted that he failed Wes Goodwin.
Goodwin should improve a lot at Oklahoma. I'm still convinced that he's one of the brightest defensive minds in college football.
He just had zero on the field experience before becoming the DC at Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Goodwin talks reuniting with Venables, lessons learned from Clemson tenure
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He just could not coach LBs. My goodness their play last year was terrible. Mind you Ben was coaching them too. So we will see if it gets better. The play of the front 7 was baffling considering the talent that was there.
Missing another strong DE really hurt.
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His and my fired up ain't the same.***
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He was in wayyyy over his head and its probably Dabos worst mistake.***
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Re: TNET: Goodwin talks reuniting with Venables, lessons learned from Clemson tenure
Apr 17, 2025, 9:45 PM
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The last comment seems weird as it's oddly specific. Seems like he's taking a dig at somebody specific.
"And just keep your circle small. There's only so many people in this profession that you can truly trust. And so keep your circle small."
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Being a nervous dude underlied his ineffectiveness***
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Re: TNET: Goodwin talks reuniting with Venables, lessons learned from Clemson tenure
Apr 17, 2025, 10:05 PM
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“I’ve grown so much in the last 2 months.”
so now he’s saying Oklahoma BBQ is better than Carolina BBQ. Now I hope he loses every game and BV some how wins every game
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### ever!
Apr 18, 2025, 9:10 AM
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Dude, when’s the next Hangover movie?
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