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Ring of Honor [22085]
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This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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1. Dabo refused to use the portal in any meaningful way for 4 years, while all of our opponents have used it and sometimes taken good players off our team to beat us (Texas and UGA). Or have used key portal players to beat us (Duke,FSU,USC,UL)
2. Dabo hired a bunch of inexperienced coaches (Spiller, Wes, Austin, Streeter, Conn, Grisham, etc) and had to fire some that didn't pan out which set us back.
3. Roster mismanagement was so obvious in this game. We had a back-up WR playing RB in a playoff game, imagine that? Our best LB was a freshman. Our CBs were awful. Denholf started (what the heck?).
Many of us have been screaming about this for YEARS, yet the pumpers laughed it off.
Anyone with half a brain knew we would not be in this game, although I am not even sold on Texas.
The pumpers are gonna pump but there is NO reason now (shouldn't even have been in the past) that you think anything they type is the LEAST bit objective, because it's not.
TD away Tigercook or your scok Tigerthingy! I wear it like a badge!
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 8:40 PM
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The portal isn't going to fix it.
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Solid Orange [1304]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:41 PM
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No. But using it to plug in needs certainly would.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 8:54 PM
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No it won't. We have a bigger problem than just one or two holes.
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Solid Orange [1304]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 8:57 PM
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And whose fault is that? And I don’t disagree with that statement.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 9:18 PM
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It's basically the narural cycle of sports. At some point, opponents figure out how to counter what you're doing. It happened to Bowden at Florida St, Paterno at Penn St., Bear Bryant at Alabama. Bud Wilkinson at Oklahoma, Darrell Royal at Texas, etc.
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All-In [10940]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 10:23 PM
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Saban figured ot out by bringing in former HCs to help change play annually! I think great Def is great Def with talent, but Off can get stagnant after a few seasons especially when playing same teams annually and they learn the nuances.
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National Champion [7990]
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Saban is the greatest CFB coach of all time
Dec 22, 2024, 9:18 AM
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And a top 5 coach in any sport ever.
Dabo is not Saban. He just doesn’t have the same drive.
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Solid Orange [1333]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 9:09 PM
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No not really. We need quality DE and S play. Maybe a LB.
All of those holes could be fixed by taking a quality portal player.
Offense is good enough.
Just need a couple pieces on Defense and most importantly, a new guy calling the defense.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 9:27 PM
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Offense isn't good enough. We need elite players, and close to elite players, on both sides of the ball. We aren't going to get enough of theirs in the portal to be national championship contenders.
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Orange Blooded [2257]
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We got a starting DE. We need a safety. We are not going to sit
Dec 21, 2024, 9:36 PM
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Woodaz or Brown in favor of a portal kid, and portal guys don’t transfer to be backups.
That’s about it unless we lose a starter to the portal.
We didn’t lose because of the portal.
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Clemson Conqueror [11441]
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Top TigerNet [31732]
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This
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:43 PM
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Nobody wants us to be Florida State or Colorado… But elite teams have been filling their talent gaps in their departures with portal, and we have sat around with our thumb up our ### until this year
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: This
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:52 PM
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The problem is we aren't elite. We can't use it in the same way elite teams do.
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Solid Orange [1304]
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Re: This
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:58 PM
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We aren’t elite because Dabo is running what he built into the ground.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: This
Dec 21, 2024, 9:21 PM
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He's not running it into the ground. It's flat out harder to re riot lite players to Clemson than it is to Georgia, Alabama, Ohio St, and all those guys. Some of the stuff Dabo was doing years so has been adopted by everyone else now.
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Orange Blooded [2257]
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BS.***
Dec 21, 2024, 9:37 PM
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Game Changer [1788]
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Re: This
Dec 21, 2024, 9:43 PM
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That IS EXACTLY what you are wanting. Run along yo those programs because Clemson US MUCH STRONGER without a large portion of “fans” on this board. The football IQ of many is so small it doesn’t even register on the simpleton scale!!!!
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Game Day Hero [4122]
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Re: it can't be fixed WITHOUT the portal, but the portal's not the only fix.***
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Needs to start with house cleaning of unproductive coaches. We pay our coaches more than most other programs. What has the return been the last few years. Hire more coaches like Luke.
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Athletic Dir [1115]
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Re: it can't be fixed WITHOUT the portal, but the portal's not the only fix.***
Dec 21, 2024, 9:07 PM
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Amen!
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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Solid Orange [1347]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:52 PM
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I sort of agree. The Portal can help fill in holes. With a better defensive end than Lawson and a better strong safety than Venables/Griffin, we'd definitely be better. But we already have far more talented players than virtually all of our opponents (that's going away, but is still the case right now). It's coaching, and the people saying it's not a problem of Goodwin and our positional coaches are delusional. Many of the people defending Goodwin tonight are the same people who defended Thomas Austin. And yet in a single offseason, the exact same offensive line went from being a bottom 25 line to a top 25 line.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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This! The pumpers will defend ANYONE until they are fired.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:54 PM
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Then they will defend the replacements until they are fired.
The fact of the matter is they don't care about winning. Pumpers only care about defending those who they know in the program.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: This! The pumpers will defend ANYONE until they are fired.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:56 PM
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The problem is you can't accept the fact that 2015-2020 is the exception, not the norm.
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Solid Orange [1304]
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Re: This! The pumpers will defend ANYONE until they are fired.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:00 PM
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Then let’s go back to paying our coaches what we paid them before 2015. Because they sure aren’t earning their paychecks now.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Re: This! The pumpers will defend ANYONE until they are fired.
Dec 21, 2024, 9:24 PM
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That's dumb. If you have a coach who has won two national championships, you either pay him the going rate, or someone else will. If you think things are going badly now, start doing that, and be prepared to win 6 games and play in the Idaho bowl.
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All-Pro [779]
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Re: This! The pumpers will defend ANYONE until they are fired.
Dec 22, 2024, 12:01 AM
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We could lose 4 games for a heck of a lot less than what we are paying this staff.
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Tiger Titan [47494]
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1st Rounder [653]
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Re: The portal wont fix everything but it is part of the solution.***
Dec 21, 2024, 9:46 PM
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As much talent as we have now on the DLine and LB position, it’s completely obvious that we are undercoached.
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CU Medallion [20929]
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CU Medallion [20929]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 9:04 PM
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I hate it when we actually think alike on something 
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Orange Blooded [2237]
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What's done is done. Can't argue any of your points but
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:43 PM
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what's important now is does it get fixed. He got rid of Austin and Streeter, now will he do it on the defensive side. Using the portal for key spots also plays a big rule and at least we've dipped into that a little.
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All-TigerNet [5947]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:43 PM
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Can I ask you a question? How many posts are you going to make on this subject. We get it. You don’t like the current state of affairs. Please consider another topic.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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Well people have been fighting me on this for years.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:49 PM
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So what?
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Oculus Spirit [39166]
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Most of you doomers were dooming
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:51 PM
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in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 too. You don’t actually have any credibility. It’s like constantly screaming a recession is coming. Eventually you’ll be right but you’re still just a broken clock.
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Tiger Titan [47494]
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No we werent.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:57 PM
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We were thrilled in 2015-2020.
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Oculus Spirit [39166]
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110%er [3925]
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Re: LOL
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:08 PM
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lol well that’s gotta sting
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Tiger Titan [47494]
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LOL, thats hilarious!
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You actually think you proved something with this.
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Oculus Spirit [39166]
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So who you hiring to replace him?
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:45 PM
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You seem to have all the answers.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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Just TD me and move on since you have nothing EVER intelligent to add.***
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Asst Coach [890]
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Re: Just TD me and move on since you have nothing EVER intelligent to add.***
Dec 21, 2024, 8:52 PM
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Pacific beach, remind me who UGA took?
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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He was a CB. He even had a int against us, I believe. Name escapes me.***
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Game Changer [1948]
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Derion Kendrick***
Dec 21, 2024, 10:18 PM
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Legend [6754]
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Who is your pick to win it all?***
Dec 21, 2024, 8:50 PM
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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Not Texas.***
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Legend [6754]
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Very mature of you.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:53 PM
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You answer questions as thoroughly as you post statements.
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Oculus Spirit [39166]
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The inability to answer questions exposes
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him as just another worthless whiner. Empty criticism from someone who overestimates their own intelligence.
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Legend [6784]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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Our corners were not awful. Our linebacker didn't fill gaps but I believe it was more scheme then anything.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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Terrell has been awful. PI machine, 3 tonight.***
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Game Changer [1948]
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Streeter was the most experienced of any you listed in no. 2
Dec 21, 2024, 8:53 PM
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He has been in coaching since 2002 and had previously been OC at Liberty and Richmond before coming back to Clemson as QB coach. At least be accurate in your criticism.
Not saying there aren't problems and I agree with you on Grisham, Austin, and Goodwin. The times they are a changing and Dabo has to adapt or retire like Saban.
I'm not sure what your major complaint is about the players. Is it the talent level, the lack of depth, or player development? Not sure what your complaint is about Randall at rb. I thought he looked fine. So what if Brown is the best LB and a freshman, that's happened before. The corners have looked good at times too, just young. Like Brown, they weren't perfect and have to learn the position at this level.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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Please, he wasn't proven. Compare him to ANY coach at a decent school.***
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Game Changer [1948]
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I didn't say he was "proven," just experienced.
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Dec 21, 2024, 10:22 PM
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YOUR original post said several coaches were "inexperienced." Streeter wasn't. You said nothing about them being "proven."
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Orange Beast [6588]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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What we saw today was coaching, not players. Coaches caused that loss, just like the SC loss and just like the Louisville loss. Poor coaching, play calling and alignments.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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COACHES RECRUIT, SCOUT, and DEVELOP PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:56 PM
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This is SUCH a DUMB argument.
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Tiger Titan [47494]
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You are right, but the pumpers will just refer to our two national championships
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a decade ago and act like winning the ACC and getting an automatic bid to the playoffs means much in the context of big boy football in 2024.
Bottom line, we aren’t elite anymore, and we aren’t close. And that’s inexcusable given how our slide has happened (Dabo’s horrible decisions) and how we support our program (2nd highest paid head coach, 3rd highest assistant salaries, elite facilities, etc.).
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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That's why I think a lot of these "pumpers" are tied to the program in some way.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:58 PM
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They will defend the tiiit of the cow that feeds them at all costs. Unfortunately for them, the evidence is mounting too fast for them to defend the costs.
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Valley Protector [1441]
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Legend [6754]
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Youre an idiot.
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Dec 21, 2024, 8:57 PM
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I think you know it and are just ashamed to not have made a difference at all here or in the real world. Best of luck to your next venture…maybe another school will pay you some NIL money to troll their own.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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Are you 5 years old?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:00 PM
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I hope so.
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All-Conference [432]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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Keller, that you?
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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I would imagine that even you get tired of you
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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120 posts, I can imagine even your scok gets tired of you.***
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.The WR at RB led the team in rushing.***
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Orange Elite [5216]
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As repeated over and over....
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If we want to be elite again, we better be elite at HS recruiting and the portal. Currently, we aren't elite at either.
If the University of Texas feels it is necessary to be elite at both, what makes ANYONE THINK that Clemson can choose do neither and still be consistently competitive against elite teams? Results last four years say no...a RESOUNDING NO.
NO USE crying over the new age CFB, or long for the old days.....better get with the program and adapt for the future. As Willy Wonka said, you gotta go forward to go back (to success). We aren't that far off.... and our current limitations are SELF-INFLICTED. No team, coach or network or conference is doing this to us. Turn the freaking spigot on and quit with the self-limiting silliness. We know the answer, but drag our feet to accept it (see summer OVs and portal takes as examples).
So, as Chrisite Brinkley said in Vacation,...are we going to "Go for It"....or keep slapping our hands together while looking at the current college landscape repeating....."this is crazy, this is crazy...."
LFG...
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110%er [3975]
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I dont disagree with a lot of what you said.
Dec 21, 2024, 9:08 PM
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Painful and hopeful we will not continue to make the same mistakes in the future.
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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1) Texas took Mukuba, Jawja didn't take anyone, Kendrick was kicked off the team. We're now using the portal, as usual, Dabo adjusts
2) I can see one coaching change, but I don't think that's a guarantee. It won't be Spiller. You believe WR was an issue this year? It wasn't, and Grisham is the guy who recruited Williams, Wesco, Moore and Brown. Conn is a good coach. He'sbeen coaching here for what, 6-7 years?
3) No one has 3 proven RB's these days with the portal, you understand that, don't you? You want to fire Reed to? He coaches CB. Terrell was bad, Hampton was fine. Terrell will get better. Denhoff starting was addressed this week.
Look, I don't question your zeal as a fan, but you are an emotional volcano. Basically unbearabale on game days with your overreactions. The D needs fixed, specifically the run D. What we've seen this year is not Clemson football. It will be, one way or another.
BTW, I've never TD'd one person on this site
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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Stop pretending you’re remotely a Clemson fan ########.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:26 PM
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Dr Pcb, we kicked the CB you can't remember off the team for being a shitbag...not a transfer and there is a difference.
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Ring of Honor [22085]
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1st Rounder [653]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 9:30 PM
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Amen, hallelujah, Amen, brutha. There is NOTHING wrong in your post.
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Dynasty Maker [3576]
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Its hard to portal when we are virtue signaling so much
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:33 PM
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I could use a little less culture and more results in the win column. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.
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Game Changer [1788]
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:33 PM
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Sad little person!!! If we held your love bunny Brownell by the standards you hold Dabo by he would have been FIRED 12 years ago. This fan base would be MUCH STRONGER without the likes of you snd judge Keller. You both missed your calling and should join Coot Nation where you would fit right in!!!!! I know your cry baby #### blocked me but hopefully one of you fell uneducated football minded people will relay the message!!!! Can’t tell the truth being told to you by a WONAN!!!!
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CU Guru [1539]
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I think #2 is the biggest problem.***
Dec 21, 2024, 9:35 PM
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National Champion [7511]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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Dec 21, 2024, 10:44 PM
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Agreed with all of this.
Inexperienced coaches failed in evaluating, recruiting and developing.
Dabo replaced Streeer, Austin and Lemanski. So I trust that more changes are coming.
Dabo signed two impact players from the portal, one of them will be an instant starter. If we have more players transferring out, then we can pursue more impact players in the portal.
I think the offense returns enough for us to compete for a national title next year. But the defense will still have glaring holes. We’ve filled one of them with Will Heldt. I’m hopeful we fill more.
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Playmaker [381]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
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Dec 21, 2024, 10:52 PM
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Dabo…gonna dabo.
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Mascot [20]
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Re: This loss was years in the making. Its and all on DABO.
Dec 21, 2024, 11:02 PM
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Shouldn’t have even been in this game today.
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Game Changer [1868]
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Dec 22, 2024, 9:12 AM
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You were right and the real problem is all on the coaching staff. It starts with dabo and his desire to be great again, we just don't play complimentary football and do the little things well. We're still talented to overcome a lot and sometimes that's the answer, even for the great teams, but it doesn't work for us anymore.
I will add your comment on the RB and lb positions.... That was a result of multiple injuries at both positions leaving us pretty thin.
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