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Ring of Honor [22314]
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Why is everyone excited about the idea of Tom Allen?
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Jan 13, 2025, 9:27 AM
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Other than 2024 his defenses have been absolutely terrible his entire career.
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Game Changer [1858]
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Re: Why is everyone excited about the idea of Tom Allen?
Jan 13, 2025, 9:34 AM
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Might want to take a look at the last few defenses for Brent when he was at OK. Not exactly stellar and his did that turn out?
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Ring of Honor [22314]
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I did.
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Jan 13, 2025, 9:37 AM
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Please tell me where Tom Allen even remotely measures up to Brent Venables pre-Clemson. Before 2024 Tom Allen never even fielded a top 40 defense. FOH
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Orange Phenom [14228]
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Seems silly to even try
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Jan 13, 2025, 9:50 AM
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Prior to this year at Penn State he was DC for one season at USF and one season at Indiana. His other stints at DC were FCS level or below. There was 10 years worth of data on Venables at a high level program. There's one year of that (2024) for Allen.
And I hesitate to put any credence at all on what these guys defenses did while they were HC. That goes for Allen, Golden, or any other former DC that was also a coach. Dave Aranda has had some pretty darn mediocre defenses at Baylor, but he was a fantastic DC before that. It's just not the same job. The HC doesn't have time to game plan like a DC, and he isn't calling the plays.
Tom Allen has been pretty highly regarded for awhile now, and he definitely fielded a good defense this year. I don't think Clemson is "above" hiring him. I think it's more likely he wouldn't be interested in leaving PSU or the same job at Clemson to be perfectly honest.
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Game Changer [1858]
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Re: I did.
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:10 AM
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He was moved to CO DC after those last 2 years and chose to leave OK because of it. But hey what are facts when your point is Dabo is wrong and many on this board could do better.
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Letterman [192]
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Re: I did.
Jan 13, 2025, 10:29 AM
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Some of those are not when Venables was the play caller, He was co DC to Bob Stoops.
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CU Medallion [20182]
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Because the masses need a name to limit FOMO risk***
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Jan 13, 2025, 9:38 AM
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Athletic Dir [1124]
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Re: Why is everyone excited about the idea of Tom Allen?
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:18 AM
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Not thrilled to see Hood confirm he is priority. PSU fans are rejoicing that we are possibly taking him. I would have liked to see someone younger and up and coming.
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Penn State fans are rejoicing? I think you made that up.***
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:36 AM
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Athletic Dir [1159]
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Re: Penn State fans are rejoicing? I think you made that up.***
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:58 AM
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Go to their boards..they are not upset at all he is leaving
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Orange Blooded [2354]
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Re: Penn State fans are rejoicing? I think you made that up.***
Jan 13, 2025, 11:33 AM
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No, they aren’t.
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Orange Blooded [2354]
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Re: Penn State fans are rejoicing? I think you made that up.***
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:34 AM
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Oops, meant too ok say they ARE for the most part upset he’s leaving. Make up another lie heavy.
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Re: Penn State fans are rejoicing? I think you made that up.***
Jan 13, 2025, 11:38 AM
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Make up your mind will 'ya 
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Paw Warrior [4728]
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Re: Why is everyone excited about the idea of Tom Allen?
Jan 13, 2025, 11:36 AM
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These are the same Penn ST fans that think Clemson is a downgrade and look down on schools that have accomplished more than them the past 30 years, so yea idc what the entitled Yankees think.
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Jan 13, 2025, 12:31 PM
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Well, I got this from the one PS|U friend that I have, who broke the news to me.
Show me your proof where they are rejoicing.
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110%er [3870]
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He was talking out of his ###***
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Jan 13, 2025, 12:45 PM
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Ring of Honor [22341]
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Re: Why is everyone excited about the idea of Tom Allen?
Jan 13, 2025, 10:19 AM
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Another issue for me is that Franklin saw his value in the coaches box on game day rather than on the field. Now, I don't have a problem with that if seeing the field from the box provided more value for the defense than having him on the sidelines, but I was hoping we could get a solid Xs and Os guy who would have fire and presence on the sideline like we had with BV.
This guy just seems a lot more low key than I had in mind. But then again, no one has asked me for my opinion
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Tiger Titan [48259]
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I dont find his defenses that impressive.
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:28 AM
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Nor do I see why he would make what would be considered a lateral move at best.
He is set to make $1.6 million in 2025 as Penn State’s DC. Are we prepared to pay him more? If so, are they not prepared to meet it?
He does have his buyout from Indiana which was about $15 million so money isn’t an immediate concern for him.
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110%er [3870]
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So youve done an in-depth study and watched film?
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:39 AM
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Huh troll?
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Dynasty Maker [3579]
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Re: I dont find his defenses that impressive.
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Jan 13, 2025, 1:29 PM
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You don’t find anything Dabo does impressive. Your opinions are worthless because you’ve proven you are a Dabo hating troll. His defense this year was light years better than Clemson’s. He’s a huge upgrade.
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Tiger Titan [48259]
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I find plenty Dabo does impressive.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:52 PM
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This isn’t one of them.
But I will focus on the fact that Allen is an absolute upgrade over Pork Chop and Conn.
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CU Medallion [19669]
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Wow, Joy Killer. Shocking revelation from you here.
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Jan 13, 2025, 1:50 PM
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I know it must be frustrating, again, to see Dabo go out and get his #1 target for a key role. GOATs gonna GOAT.
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CU Guru [1531]
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Re: I dont find his defenses that impressive.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:00 PM
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Unless Dabo hired Brad Brownell or Jesus Christ himself to run the defense, you weren’t going to like the hire Judge.
Let’s just be honest here.
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Tiger Titan [48259]
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Not true.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:53 PM
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What is true is that many of you will reflexively love the hire simply because Dabo did it.
I’m not surprised. It’s SOP here.
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CU Guru [1531]
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Re: Not true.
Jan 13, 2025, 3:56 PM
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I mean it’s not an awful hire.
He has a good track record defensively and plenty of coaching experience.
No matter who he hired, there were always going to be people like yourself who will find a way to degrade it.
So who cares lol.
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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We need years of experience. He's a winner. He was successful as DC,,,
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:29 AM
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"Allen joined the Hoosiers in 2016 as associate head coach/defense and led the biggest defensive turnaround in the nation. He inherited a defense that was second to last among Power Five teams in passing yards allowed, third to last in total defense and scoring defense and fifth to last in first downs allowed the year prior to his arrival. He engineered an IU defense that improved in every major statistical category against a schedule featuring four Top 10 opponents in 2016.
Indiana held its opponents to 129.4 fewer total yards and 94.1 fewer passing yards per game from 2015, the nation’s largest improvement. Additionally, IU’s defense allowed 10.4 fewer points per game from 2015 (4th nationally) and gave up 25 fewer touchdowns. From 2015-17, the Hoosiers had the most improved defense nationally in total defense (-169.4) and passing defense (-134.1), the sixth-most improved in third-down defense (-12.2 percent), and the ninth-most improved in points per game allowed (-12.3 ppg).
Prior to Indiana, Allen served as South Florida’s defensive coordinator in 2015. The Bulls went 8-5 and earned a trip to the Miami Beach Bowl.
Allen mentored three all-conference selections while at USF and the American Athletic Conference’s top scoring defense (19.6 ppg in league play).
During his lone season in Tampa, USF tied 13th nationally in tackles for loss (7.5 per game), 14th in interceptions (17) and 24th in takeaways (25).
Prior to his time with the Bulls, Allen spent the 2012-14 seasons as the linebackers coach and special teams coordinator at Ole Miss. The Rebels closed out 2014 with a 9-4 record and ranked No. 9 after they met No. 6 TCU in the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl.
Ole Miss spent nine weeks in the AP Top 10 during the 2014 season, with a high-water mark of No. 3. The Rebels led the nation in scoring defense (13.8 ppg) and allowed a national-low 18 touchdowns.
Ole Miss topped the SEC in five categories that season and ranked in the Top 20 nationally in 11, including 10th in red zone defense, 11th in tackles for loss (7.5 per game), 12th in takeaways (28), 13th in total defense (321.2) and 13th in defensive touchdowns scored (4).As Arkansas State’s assistant coach in 2011, the Red Wolves went 10-2 overall and 8-0 in the Sun Belt. Allen coached first-team all-conference selection Demario Davis and second-team pick Nathan Herrold. Davis was selected in the third round of the 2012 NFL Draft by the New York Jets.
Prior to ASU, Allen served as the defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Drake University in 2010, where the Bulldogs allowed just 330 yards per game while ranking No. 6 in the FCS in rush defense (94.2), No. 8 in sacks (33), No. 17 in tackles for loss (81) and No. 25 in scoring defense (20.4).
At NAIA Lambuth University (2008-09), Allen was the assistant head coach, defensive coordinator, and linebackers coach, and he was a part of two Mid-South Conference championships and the school’s first undefeated regular season (11-0) in 2009.
The Lambuth defense ranked No. 4 nationally in scoring defense, No. 7 in pass defense and sacks, No. 9 in total defense, and No. 12 in third-down conversions."
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:30 AM
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I like him
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110%er [3870]
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Dabo needs to take a Tigernet poll.
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:38 AM
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To make sure he knows what he’s doing.
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:39 AM
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No matter who is picked. Some of yall are gonna b•••h no matter what. 😆 right now I believe Dabo
May have missed on others and this is where he is at. Will he be stellar the first year ? Probably not but #### Wes Goodwin’s defense was 85th against the run and overall terrible. 😆
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Re: Why is everyone excited about the idea of Tom Allen?
Jan 13, 2025, 11:35 AM
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Amen
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:52 AM
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I like this hire a lot. A great coordinator and a good head coach that struggled in the later years at Indiana competing in a tough conference. He was one of the first coaches to recognize and hire Kalen DeBoer and has a pedigree for bringing talent together. Penn St had a great defensive line and play this year, and I’ll attribute some of that to Tom. You don’t get opportunities to hire someone with this guy’s experience… big steps from where we were this year and will help get us there again next season.
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Athletic Dir [1159]
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Jan 13, 2025, 10:57 AM
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It’s an awful hire..very disappointing
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:05 AM
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Who are you to say it’s an awful hire?
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Athletic Dir [1159]
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Re: Why is everyone excited about the idea of Tom Allen?
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:08 AM
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Who are you to say it’s a good one?
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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This is such a stupid question. Look at his job. Look at his defense.
Jan 13, 2025, 11:11 AM
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That is evidence. What do you have? A random opinion?
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**Tom Allen is a big upgrade from Pork Chop.***
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Paw Warrior [4695]
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:15 AM
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What I have seen from a Tom Allen defense is that they are aggressive, know how to adjust in-game and not just at half-time. They also develop the talent they have. I'll take 2 of Penn St's number 11's Abdul Carter at DE every year!
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Orange Phenom [14412]
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Welp.... he appears to have a testosterone level greater than 1 which is already
Jan 13, 2025, 11:29 AM
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better than Wes Goodwin so....
In all seriousness - Tom Allen is a very experienced coach which we all agree is a "must" that has been lacking at our DC position. I wouldn't poopoo Allen just because of his defenses at USF or Indiana - those aren't schools with a history of champion level programs with high level talent. What we do know is that when Allen got to PSU where they do have a high level of talent he fielded a good product. Clemson has a high level of talent and imagine Allen will be able to have success at Clemson.
Can Allen recruit?? I don't know but if Dabo likes him I imagine Allen's got the ability to recruit. It appears to me that Dabo is largely done with his first time coaching experimentation as his last 3 hires have been guys with plenty of prior coaching experience. If Dabo does hire Allen that will be true for his last 4 hires with 2 of those being former Power 5 head coaches (Luke and Allen). Me thinks Dabo is serious about getting the pieces in place to get back in the hunt on the national stage in college football.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100750]
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It's mostly because...
Jan 13, 2025, 11:37 AM
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he isn't Dabo's BNL. 
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Rival Killer [3080]
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Jan 13, 2025, 12:40 PM
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I’m excited he made SMU’s offense look like a high school team. Had the right call all game long. Sign me up.
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110%er [3859]
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Because Dabo Swinney is excited enough about him
Jan 13, 2025, 12:49 PM
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to hire him.
Why is that not good enough for you?
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He looks like Buddy Holly all growed up?
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Game Changer [1804]
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Jan 13, 2025, 1:10 PM
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Anything is better than what we had at DC.
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