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I, as a father who loves his children, understand that mistakes, bumps and
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I, as a father who loves his children, understand that mistakes, bumps and

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Oct 22, 2025, 9:36 AM
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bruises, and even some pain and misery are a natural part of the learning and growing process. When learning to walk, for instance, stumbles and falls are an inevitable, necessary part of it. They learn to get back up, dust themselves off, and keep going. The stumbling and falling teaches a valuable lesson. Years later, once they are more aware and responsible, they can walk on their own without falling while avoiding danger. Still, even though they are at a point of understanding consequenses and have been taught to be safe and responsible, they may not always behave accordingly. For instance, they may make a dumb decision, and try to cross a busy highway on foot. If I see them about to do this, as they step in front of a speeding car, I will yell, grab or tackle them, whatever it takes to stop them. Because I love them, and if they are killed, it's permanent, and there is no lesson learned. I don't stand by and watch, thinking to myself "oh well, they know better; it's their choice". Because of love, none of you would allow such a thing to happen, either.

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Above all else, love and forgive. Understand that people who disagree with you are not necessarily idiots or your enemies. Respect the wisdom of the founding fathers and individual rights and freedoms. Always see the beauty and humor in life.


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Oct 22, 2025, 7:46 PM
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Agreed. This seems obvious… but alas

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Oct 23, 2025, 2:05 PM
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But you have said you believe in a higher power correct?

Is this higher power indifferent to what’s going on on earth?

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Great, very fair question.

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Oct 24, 2025, 9:42 AM
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Simple, direct answer: Not exactly. Here's what I mean.

Per my belief, "God" is not a separate being in the sky. We, at our essense, are literally part of God, just like a wave is part of the ocean. We are literally one with God. As such, we/God choose to "come here" (to earth/physical existence), to experience certin things, including pain and hate and evil as contrasted with joy and love and goodness. God is not, therefore indifferent to our suffering, he is experiencing it himself.

I don't claim to know this with any degree of certainty, but I do find it to be a very reasonable explanation of how and why things are the way they are. To me it's far more reasonable than the absurd explanation I grew up with, of a God who created everything in a way that displeased him and required the anihalation and eternal torture of most of the souls he supposedly loves, supposedly proving his love by sending his son as a blood sacrifice as a way for those souls not to have to spend eternity in torture.

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Re: Great, very fair question.

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Oct 26, 2025, 7:39 PM
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You do make an interesting point about the annihilation of the loved. Deuteronomy and Leviticus both specifically say God forbids human sacrifices. Yet, isn’t that exactly what Jesus is, per God’s plan, as described in the Bible?

Deut 12:31
“You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.

Compare that with “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.”

What’s the difference?

As Festus so eloquently said in an episode of Gunsmoke “How do you know him who wrote the writing, wrote the writing right?”

How can we get to the true God (if there is one) beyond the imperfect filter of ourselves? Through a glass darkly, you know?

How do we know God doesn’t want human sacrifices, when he gives us an example of using his own son? Did the prophet/priest who said/wrote that down get it right?

Did God tell that to the Aztecs, or other peoples who practiced it? Why would an omnipotent being choose the death of his son as his methodology, rather than just snapping his fingers to remove sin? Why does he need a sacrifice at all?

So many questions.

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Right - soooooo many questions, and to me, the answers are simple and

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Oct 26, 2025, 8:57 PM
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obvious. Ancient people came up with explanations for how and why things were they way they were, just like we do today, and their explanations reflect their relative lack of scientific knowledge and life in ancient times. Why did bad things happen - fires, floods, disease, etc.? The Gods were angry. How do we please the Gods and get them on our side? We make sacrifices, and we come up with laws and behaviors that will please them. What are Gods like? Well, powerful men were great warriors who ruled by fear and the threat of violence, punishments and rewards, so that's the way they imagined God/Gods. Wars between nations or tribes were seen as wars between their Gods, and armies who had the strongest, or correct God would ultimately be victorious.

Some religions have not really progressed beyond that. The total commitment by subsequent generations to the beliefs of those ancient people did not allow, out of fear, for much evolution that reflected scientific advances and knowledge. They have, however, tweaked it, and tried to make God seem like less of a violent, vindictive warrior king, and more of a loving, forgiving God, but hundreds of thousands of years later, he's still at war with evil, promising total victory according to an eleborate plan, having created an existence which included every bit of it right from the start. Still totally commited to the concept of God created by ancient men. But for them it's not just an idea, or a concept developed by men, it's absolute fact - they KNOW it.

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Oct 26, 2025, 12:47 PM
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But Tiggity, ConservativeAlex, Cata and the rest will tell you that illegal immigration and no bond warrants will heal the world. In reality, which is where we live, they are the problem as their empathy leads to death of America.

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Oct 26, 2025, 2:02 PM
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By “America” you mean your crusty white Christian culture which is not going anywhere. I think it’s time for a break from Fox News.

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Oct 26, 2025, 3:20 PM [ in reply to Re: I, as a father who loves his children, understand that mistakes, bumps and ]
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Oct 28, 2025, 9:01 AM
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From Job while disclosing his position after losing all he had to life, chapter 9:

"32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment."

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Re: I, as a father who loves his children, understand that mistakes, bumps and

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Oct 28, 2025, 2:26 PM
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As job says, god will literally torture and kill those you love to win a bet with satan and we should just shut up and take it.

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