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Oculus Spirit [83161]
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Mangey. KB2 supporters vs. the 2nd guessers:
Apr 10, 2018, 9:28 AM
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KB2 supporters aren't really pro-KB2. They just support the coaches decisions because the coaches are the only ones in a position to make the call. They'd be supporters of TL16 or HJ15 if the coaches thought they deserved to start.
The 2nd guessers are pretty much morans who think they know more than the coaches. These morans, laughably, think the coaches place loyalty to veteran players over winning. When you've lost 4 games in 3 years, that takes stupid to another level.
I'm not saying coaches are infallible and don't make mistakes, but who do you really want to trust beforehand without hindsight to lean on?
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Losing four games in three years????
Apr 10, 2018, 9:33 AM
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I mean, why haven't we fired the whole shooting match?
Oh wait, is that the wrong use of mixaphor?
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Wrong
Apr 10, 2018, 9:35 AM
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KB second guessers know he isn't the type of passing threat or pocket presence that DW4 was, therefore has a very slim chance of being able to beat a team like Alabama which requires a complete QB. KB2 is not a complete QB. He is a great runner and a decent passer. Most people who 2nd guess KB2 want to be able to take advantage of the tremendous amount of talent we have on defense right now and in the skill positions on offense to try to win another national championship. KB2 second guessers support KB2. Everyone wants him to play better, but the 2nd guessers know he has probably hit a ceiling in his passing ability and is the reason they want to see TL or HJ or CB have a chance to prove their passing ability and their pocket presence. No one is saying they know more than the coaches. I'm sure the coaches are going to make the best decision they can off of what they have seen, and what they see is in practice. We don't see practice, we see games. Last year we saw that ZC was absolute garbage in games but all we heard was about how good he was in practice. Since we don't see TL or HJ in practice we want to see them in games instead of KB2 to know how their abilities compare to what we are given in KB2.
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"HJ"***
Apr 10, 2018, 9:36 AM
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I heard HJ was great with the balls.***
Apr 10, 2018, 9:39 AM
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waste of time
Apr 10, 2018, 10:41 AM
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i can do it better myself
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####, rong bored
Apr 10, 2018, 10:41 AM
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WHERE'S THE MEAT UP BORED?
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Found juan...a guy who thinks he knows more than the coaches***
Apr 10, 2018, 9:53 AM
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Apr 10, 2018, 9:55 AM
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I think most everyone agree with you on KB.
Apr 10, 2018, 10:33 AM
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That doesn't justify insulting our coaching staff's integrity by accusing them of making the selection of our starting QB an emotional driven.
KB has several deficiencies. He decides where he's throwing the ball before it's possible to make that choice. He can't run the option read worth a chit so sometimes he decides if he's going to keep it or not before the snap. We won a ton of games because our defense shut other teams down and our offense wore their defenses out because our defense got off the field so quickly.
All the dumpers consider is passing ability. It's like baseball, everybody love the long ball. That's great when you need it but controlling the ball and working the clock is how you win a national championship.
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do you have a separate mange-scok?***
Apr 10, 2018, 2:23 PM
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I don't like KB's game, but if the coaches say....
Apr 10, 2018, 9:37 AM
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he is the best option, than I support it. They know the most. My opinion is that we can win all of our regular season games with whoever is our starting QB, so it doesn't really matter who starts off the season as starter. Whoever is our 2nd QB or 3rd QB will get plenty of opportunities to show out and possibly earn the starting at some point in the season. That's not even to mention possible injuries.
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It's really not laughable or stupid.
Apr 10, 2018, 9:39 AM
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Dabo in particular has displayed STRONG loyalty to his upperclassmen for the past 9 years, and pretty frequently will play the guy who gives you less chance to win just because he's a senior. See: Cole Stoudt. It's not imaginary. That said, Dabo is also a guy who has to make every single mistake himself. That's the only way he learns. See: 2011 Train Concert (think WVU might have played a game that day, but I don't remember for sure). But once he makes the mistake, he never does it again, unlike a whole lot of people in coaching and other professions, so maybe he's coming around.
I still don't see how a guy that took Clemson to the playoff in his first year as a starter loses his job, even to a phenom who is clearly better. The problem, of course, is that KB probably isn't ever going to be good enough to beat Bama and win a national championship. TL might be, we just don't know yet.
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Cole Stoudt started against UGA and led us to a TD on
Apr 10, 2018, 9:51 AM
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his first drive as a starter and then another one. DW4, a true freshman, came in on the 3rd series, and also led us to a score. UGA's punter and rushing game dominated the 2nd half as we had no field position. Was CS the best call to start that game? Based on the results in the first half, it sure seemed so. I think CS just regressed mentally for some reason.
You say:
"Dabo in particular has displayed STRONG loyalty to his upperclassmen for the past 9 years, and pretty frequently will play the guy who gives you less chance to win just because he's a senior."
I thought you were smarter than this.
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Now defend CS starting the FSU game.***
Apr 10, 2018, 9:57 AM
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Duh, he led to a 73-7 victory over SC State the week before.***
Apr 10, 2018, 9:58 AM
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Also led us basically to the goal line in that game...
Apr 10, 2018, 1:37 PM
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then finally sealed his fate by missing the TD pass.
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Yea, the one to Leggett.***
Apr 10, 2018, 7:38 PM
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To the dirt in front of Leggett, lol.***
Apr 11, 2018, 8:21 AM
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You think I'm too smart to notice a trend that most other
Apr 10, 2018, 9:57 AM
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fans have picked up on as well? This has been a criticism, and a perfectly valid one at that, of Dabo since he took the head coach job. I'm not sure how you've missed this.
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Oculus Spirit [83161]
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It's myth. Site some examples. True freshmen who have
Apr 10, 2018, 10:00 AM
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started over vets: Sammy, Nuk, Pollard, Hyatt, Wilkins, Big Dex, A. Scott...
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didn't stoudt start cause watson had a bum shoulder***
Apr 10, 2018, 10:05 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83161]
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Broke his collarbone that spring. So limited his
Apr 10, 2018, 10:53 AM
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preparation that summer only.
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Feaster and Etienne had liabilities in protection.
Apr 10, 2018, 10:11 AM
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Although I'm not sure that any of our RBs can pick up a blitz.
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We got spoiled by Gallman
Apr 10, 2018, 10:20 AM
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Choice is/was a liability in pass pro also. CJ is now gone, so, RIP the QB
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Choice averaged almost 5 yards last year
Apr 10, 2018, 1:39 PM
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Dude was just about a top 100 recruit. He should have gotten carries. Not so sure about Fuller, though. I would've liked to have seen all the RBs get more carries last year, especially Feaster and Etienne.
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It makes no sense at all
Apr 10, 2018, 10:07 AM
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that Dabo is starting players who are worse for no reason at all. All we heard last year was that Fuller and Choice were getting the nod over Feaster and Etienne just out of loyalty, but it seemed a lot like our blocking from the RB position suffered tremendously after Etienne and Feaster started getting more carries toward the end of the year.
Three straight CFPs after 30+ years of not quite ever being more than (and often a lot less than) that team that is just talented enough to #### up your BCS hopes if you are elite and have to play them. I just refuse to ##### about that.
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UGA adjusted when they realized that CS wasn't
Apr 10, 2018, 10:12 AM
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throwing a pass further than 5 yards down the field, he averaged a whopping 5 yards per attempt that game. It's why we got dominated in the second half, we punted the ball on every possession in the second half and only got one first down.
I think our offense would have done much better this game with the threat of the deep ball with DW (or with his legs).
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I call BS on this argument.
Apr 10, 2018, 10:08 AM
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We've been playing young players for years and finding every opportunity to get them on the field. The problem with younger players is that they often have the physical skills but are still learning the offense/defense. One can always second guess whether Watson was ready to start his first game, but he played. If he'd have been 100% ready he probably would have, but the assumption is that the coaches were still not seeing a full understanding of the offense and mistakes in practice. It's clear that they knew he would be the started at some point in the season, it was just a matter of when.
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People also forget that Watson struggled at times...
Apr 10, 2018, 1:42 PM
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especially against really good defenses, like Louisville's during his freshman year. Watson also played in the second half against UGA, and just like Stoudt, couldn't get anything going.
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it's all a smokescreen so nobody realizes it's gone be
Apr 10, 2018, 9:39 AM
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Chase Brice. The key clue they overlooked: 7.
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Proof
Apr 10, 2018, 9:52 AM
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Proof of what? That he led us to a TD against UGA
Apr 10, 2018, 9:56 AM
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on his first series, and played great in first half as did DW4. He then regressed mentally for some reason in futures games.
Or, proof that the coaches knew DW4 gave us the better shot to win, yet still played CS out of loyalty to a senior?
If you pick #2, you're a moran.
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Man, I like you, I do but disproving a theory
Apr 10, 2018, 10:05 AM
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with a data point of one, is impossible. All the reports coming out of the spring have been wowed about how good TL is. No one is being wowed by KB2.
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I love spring reports.
Apr 10, 2018, 10:08 AM
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I think about how many walk-on running backs we've had over the years that were slated to win the Heisman, and never appeared in a regular season game. Not that Lawrence isn't good...or great, but spring football should really be called propaganda season.
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they have a checklist.
Apr 10, 2018, 11:11 AM
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before spring practice starts, the coaches schedule out the positive mentions of all the players. Otherwise, they might not fit them all in. Then in public interviews, they just check off the names. Everybody gets a trophy. By the time the real season starts, nobody thinks about those mentions anymore.
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DO YOU HAVE DOUBTS??? DO YOU HAVE NO FAITH IN
Apr 10, 2018, 2:18 PM
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DABO??? BLASTPHEMER!!! YOU ARE NOT ALL IN!!!
That is, I mean to say, you sir, are a coot.
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One data point proves nothing.***
Apr 10, 2018, 10:39 AM
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I don't twit
Apr 10, 2018, 10:43 AM
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But if I did, I'd follow that.
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Also, remember psycho tea posting those same thoughts.***
Apr 10, 2018, 10:57 AM
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May he RIP***
Apr 10, 2018, 11:13 AM
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It's the same ppl who always think the backup is better
Apr 10, 2018, 1:28 PM
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Doesn't help that the backup is the former #1 HS player in the country. People are impatient when that kind of talent's on the bench, even if there's nothing wrong with the starter.
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Or like celtic said earlier... how much of the play book
Apr 10, 2018, 2:17 PM
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the QB knows.
If you have superior talent, like they knew Watson was above stoudt... but Watson only knows 10 plays and all the intricacies that go along with that (hot routes, protections, shifts) that a QB has gotta call out before the ball is snapped, then that better talent will come in and run those plays really well and will amaze us.
But if he is playing the whole game... those 10 plays really start to become recognizable by the defense, and your offense is shut down.
That is what I think was going on with Watson. He was learning. That is why Stoudt started over Watson early. You put someone in too early, their whole confidence can be shattered by making mistakes, then you have to pull them for a veteran... Dabo was right with the way he handled Watson... he put him in when when his talent and lack of knowledge was greater than stoudts lesser talent and more knowledge. At that point, it was his... mistakes were taken and taught from, but he was going out no matter what. Confidence remains intact. Unless, your collarbone does not remain intact... then Stoudt goes in.
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Sorry... tdrake, not celtic.***
Apr 10, 2018, 2:18 PM
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