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Where are all the Brad apologists?
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Seriously, speak up. We can’t wait to hear what your think.
I feel sorry for this team, to have worked so hard all season to have such a weak leader. I’m sad for our fan base to have been fooled into believing we had turned the corner as a program under this coach. And I’m dumbfounded that the school paid him so much money.
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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Mar 21, 2025, 8:53 AM
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LOL.
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Mar 21, 2025, 9:00 AM
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That’s it? Nothing but LOL? Seems like I Judged you correctly.
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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Mar 21, 2025, 9:17 AM
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Maybe read the board, moron.
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CU Guru [1503]
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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Mar 21, 2025, 1:51 PM
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Name calling? Very adult. Good to see you could post something after getting called out. Maybe stop using this second account and use your primary one.
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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Mar 21, 2025, 9:47 AM
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Honestly, that’s all you can say at this point. They don’t care about facts. They don’t care about history. They don’t care to acknowledge the season for what it was and that things happen.
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LOL***
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I just enjoy the competition
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Mar 21, 2025, 8:53 AM
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and watching the team play hard.
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Re: I just enjoy the competition
Mar 21, 2025, 9:16 AM
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Pffftt
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Re: I just enjoy the competition
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Mar 21, 2025, 9:28 AM
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Re: I just enjoy the competition
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Mar 21, 2025, 1:36 PM
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Unreal
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I can't believe I had to tell a "coach" it's not whether you win or lose, it's
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Mar 21, 2025, 3:12 PM
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how you play the game that matters and then get mocked for it...I guess it's just the international model in you
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Re: I just enjoy the competition
Mar 21, 2025, 7:09 PM
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When using sarcasm you should use orange font.
Just a thought.
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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Mar 21, 2025, 9:10 AM
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Getting tickets to the Purdue-McNeese St. game.
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Hall of Famer [8724]
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FIFY
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Mar 21, 2025, 11:55 AM
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Selling tickets to the Purdue-McNeese St. game
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27 sets him up for retirement***
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Mar 21, 2025, 9:24 AM
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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Sorry dude, I don't understand these posts... coming off an elite 8 and the best regular season in school history, we all had reasons to be excited and optimistic. The loss was awful and a shin kick to every clemson fan. And yet you feel the need to rub salt in our wounds and say "hah told you so!" Check your attitude. We're all hurting as clemson fans.
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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I don’t understand why posts like this try to act like this is occurring in a vacuum. His “best regular season” ever is about to leverage him an extension that will almost certainly guarantee 3 more years regardless of performance and guarantee to pay him $10-$12 million ABOVE what he would have made under the existing contract. He just made a $300,000 bonus to go 1-2 in the post season. He is minimally the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference while also being the longest tenured. And got beat by a first year coach at Louisville and then by a Clemson grad and former assistant who has never been shy about his interest in the Clemson job. He should win those games and, even if he is not fired for losing them, he absolutely should not be rewarded for losing them. Which he will be. And the AD has demonstrated that he’s not going to make a change until fan sentiment is so intensely negative he has no other option. So guess what fans are going to do?
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You have put me on ignore, so you may not see this, but your hatred for Brownell is truly alarming. Maybe you should seek some help. Or, just quit watching and take up watching women’s lacrosse, they’re really good.. maybe they’ll get lucky and not have any tough losses.
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Youre an idiot. Just a flat out idiot.***
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Mar 21, 2025, 10:14 AM
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Please explain…
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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I don’t hate Brownell. That’s a strawman argument used to avoid my points. I want to see Clemson win an ACC championship and play in a Final Four in my lifetime. I have zero confidence Brad is ever going to accomplish either of those things. I don’t think you do either. You just don’t care about those things and want us to accept the same baseline that you are happy with. If I have you on ignore it was probably inadvertent as I don’t use the ignore filter.
Do you think he deserves bonuses for this year’s performance that will amount to an excess of $10 million? Has Clemson not demonstrated enough patience and made enough investment that we don’t need to make a desperate, pre-tourney extension offer to retain him? Tony Bennett (who never made what Brownell makes now), after only 10 seasons and winning a national championship, refused a raise and donated $500,000 back to the University. I hear a lot of Brad’s defenders argue that we don’t invest enough in basketball, but Brad has been invested in at an unprecedented level, has never won anything to justify it, and gives nothing back. I have a problem with that.
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Game Day Hero [4594]
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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Mar 21, 2025, 10:15 AM
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You absolutely do. You’ve not acknowledged one thing he’s done in his tenure in a positive manor. Not one!
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Mar 21, 2025, 4:55 PM
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How does one have a reasonable debate who presumes to know my mental state? I don’t hate him. But he’s been given more than enough time. You’re not actually responding to any of the points I make - just asserting that I’m full of hate. No ACC coach has ever coached 15 seasons w/o a minimum of 1 regular season and a tournament championship. Only 3 have coached that long without a Final Four. One of those coached entirely prior to the 64 team field when making the tourney was far more difficult. He’s reached that outlier milestone while simultaneous becoming the second highest paid coach in the conference earning more than all but the legends of the conference ever earned and even more than some of them. Explain how pointing that out is hateful. If Clemson wants to employ Brad forever and if Brad wants to stay here forever then drop his salary to $1 million year with a a prohibitive buyout that lets him stay as long as he wants. Give him a huge bonus if he ever wins a title. Stop giving bonuses for dumb things like ACC tournament seeds. It absolutely makes no sense to negotiate with him as though he is a premier basketball coach.
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Hoping you'll do a little research and see how many other heads are giving part of their salary back.
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How many heads have been given 15 years without a championship? In the history of the ACC no coach has ever gotten 15 seasons w/o winning at least one regular season AND one tournament championship. ZERO. There is nothing normal about about the Brad Brownell money pit.
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Brad has accomplished a lot here, despite your willingness to acknowledge it.
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Mar 21, 2025, 8:41 PM
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An Elite Eight, two Sweet 16s, program record for overall wins, record for conference wins, record for wins in a season, record for conference wins in a season, etc.
I think it’s reasonable to want to see more consistency and more success, but you should do so with the understanding that Brad has done a lot that no other Clemson basketball coach has, at a school where basketball is at best a distant second priority.
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Re: Brad has accomplished a lot here, despite your willingness to acknowledge it.
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Now respond to my actual post. Those accomplishments are not congruous with the tenure and compensation that he has received. It’s not just in the ACC, it is the entirety of Power 4/5 basketball. For a school you like to claim doesn’t support basketball, his compensation and the investments made are absolutely unprecedented. Fran McCaffery, who started at Iowa the same year Brownell came to Clemson, won a conference title, made 7 NCAA tournaments, finished ranked 4 times, was paid less, and was just fired. Second priority? You do realize that Brownell’s original salary was more than Dabo’s, right? ($900k versus $800k) And he will once again be reupped with raise, extension, and increased buyout yet again while his trophy case remains completely empty.
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There's this guy named Dabo, you might have heard of him.
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To use your quote, "you should do so with the understanding that Brad has done a lot that no other Clemson basketball coach has". Similar thing could be said about Dabo, with much more lofty achievements. Yet you have this constant need to belittle or diminish his achievements. Do you see the irony here, or are you that obtuse?
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Dabo has achieved an incredible amount here
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Mar 23, 2025, 11:43 AM
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which has little to do when we are having discussions about the current state of the program.
Likewise, when we are talking about the current state of our basketball program, what Brownell did in year 2 has little to do with what is happening now.
Many of you have a focusing on current reality, and instead revert to irrelevant talking points that fit your agenda.
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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I've given up on Clemson winning the ACCT or making the Final 4 in my lifetime. It certainly is not going to happen with Brownell as the HC. Never.
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so Pat Kelsey is just some newbie coach with a rag tag team of misfits...
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how could anyone lose them? You lost me on that one acting like that was some monumental bad loss.
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Re: so Pat Kelsey is just some newbie coach with a rag tag team of misfits...
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He’s in his first year at a major program and had to completely rebuild the team after Louisville fielded the two worst teams back-to-back in their 100+ years as a program. The most tenured coach in the conference should not be losing to him - twice.
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Will Wade would be our coach if he wanted to, he stiff armed us for a raise
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at LSU...He loves Clemson football, but he absolutely didn't want to be our basketball coach
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Re: Will Wade would be our coach if he wanted to, he stiff armed us for a raise
Mar 21, 2025, 4:47 PM
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Will Wade went to LSU after we opted to extend Brownell, give him a raise, and boost his buyout following making the NIT. If you have heard otherwise you have been misinformed. That extension was agreed to at a Saturday meeting before the Oakland game. Wade was not announced at LSU until 2 weeks later.
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At least 6 more.....***
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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It'll probably be better next year, right? After all, we've been on a semi fluctuating upward trajectory for what....15 years now?
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I wouldn't say an apologist for CBB but he's overachieved for the talent he has. He won more games than any previous coach with a bunch of B and C players. He had little to do with being 1 for 15 from 3 in first half. Little to do with getting killed on boards. Probably little to do with outscoring them by 16 in 2nd half. McNeese is a good team with close losses to Miss St and Bama.
As long as he's our coach I support him. I doubt Neff's phone gets blown up by A listers wanting to come here and recruit and compete against tobacco road with our doormat history.
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
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Coach Brownell had a lot to do with not making adjustments for the first 35 minutes of the game to swing things back in our favor.
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Does the opposing team have anything to do with it? They were junkyard dogs and outplayed us. They're all D1 transfers.
Who would you have put in to spark us? Which McDonald's AA on our bench? Just pick 1.
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McNeese plays a particular style of basketball. That was not a surprise. If you are not capable of putting together a game plan or making success adjustments in the first 30 minutes of a tournament game, you may not be worth the new 6 year contract and pay raise. What's even more frustrating is we came all the way back but fell two points short.
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Why is that frustrating? Applaud team and coach. He obviously made adjustments to outscore them by 16 in last 10 mins. Or did the players just get better on their own?
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Mar 22, 2025, 9:47 AM
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Day late and dollar short.
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Re: Where are all the Brad apologists?
Mar 21, 2025, 11:56 AM
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Thanks for the concern COOT
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Mar 21, 2025, 11:58 AM
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Thanks for the concern COOT
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It is possible to be a Brad apologist while acknowledging yesterdays turd.
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We played a horrible game. Coaching staff did not do a good job preparing. They also did not adjust well when McNeese came out in a defense they had not used all year.
Players didn’t help. Senior leadership was non-existent.
We wilted and played soft, which was even more disappointing since we were such a tough, gritty team all year.
Brad is a very good coach but yesterday was a poor performance by him. Both can be true. Hope that helps.
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Reminds me of the Cliff Ellis era, dreadful foul shooting percentage. No answer***
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Mar 22, 2025, 9:35 AM
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Walt invited them all to Joes Pizza, where they all sat in a back room, cried and ate garlic knots until they couldn’t move
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