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Thoughts on the 2A and these mass shootings
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Oct 26, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Couple basic facts:
* You're never getting rid of every weapon in the US. Not even every specific type of weapon, if you wanted to target "assault rifles" or whatever. Not happening. The good guys MIGHT give them up, the bad guys WILL NOT.
* Second, no gun control methods are perfect. Pass all the laws you want. Murder is illegal, yet it happens. Illegally possessing firearms is, well, illegal, yet it happens. Laws stop nothing. They just provide means of punishment.
* We're in a crazy new age. Mental illness are rampant. Mass shootings are common. Social media and other things may indirectly encourage these things, just by how they magnify publicity.
Thoughts on this incident specifically:
It seems that it was pretty well documented that this guy was nuts. And he had extensive firearms training and subsequently likely had several firearms.
As a lifelong conservative with some libertarian leanings, I would have no problem with there being a law that permitted confiscation of firearms when someone is diagnosed my medical professionals as a danger to society - or even a potential danger. People hearing voices really shouldn't be handling firearms. People making threats shouldn't be in possession of firearms. I think it's completely reasonable to require medical professionals to make these things known to local law enforcement (NOT federal) so that appropriate action can be taken. Yes, it could be taken advantage of - anything can - but is it likely? Not really. Not when left in the hands of local law enforcement.
I will always maintain and defend that the problem isn't the firearm - it's the person in possession of it. That's where we need to start and what we need to look at. Nothing will be a panacea and stop all mass shootings. But it may help minimize it. This same law could even provide for the person to be able to re-obtain their firearms if a medical professional deems them no longer a danger to society
Just my thoughts on this. From what I've read, a guy like this should NEVER have been permitted to have firearms in his possession. Way too dangerous. And here we are.
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Red flag laws.
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Oct 26, 2023, 11:07 AM
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I understand the risk to 2A rights. I understand it does encroach upon 2A. But there just isn't a better, more precise tool to directly address mass shootings than Red Flag laws. Additionally, they can be written to hedge abuse, if both sides come to the table like adults to discuss it.
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Re: Thoughts on the 2A and these mass shootings
Oct 26, 2023, 11:08 AM
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it is already illegal to kill humans in some states
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Re: Thoughts on the 2A and these mass shootings
Oct 26, 2023, 11:19 AM
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Yep. Well aware. Addressed that.
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If the person is the problem
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Oct 26, 2023, 11:22 AM
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maybe make it harder for the person to get a ####### gun. You know background check, gun registration, red flag laws, etc. Basically anything at this point, just ####### try something.
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The data from numerous other countries
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Oct 26, 2023, 11:23 AM
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show a clear correlation between stricter gun laws and fewer mass shootings.
For example, in 2023, the U.S. has had over 100 mass shootings according to this site:
https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country/
The next highest is Russia with 21. No other country has more than 10.
England and Australia both have 0.
The numbers don't lie, and the common denominator is access to guns.
I agree that there is typically a mental health component involved in mass shootings, but for that argument to be used as the reason for gun violence, we have to admit that we have exponentially more crazy people in the United States than the rest of the world. I don't think that's true.
Plus, if bad guys will find guns regardless, why aren't we seeing nearly as many gun-related crimes in other countries as we are in the United States?
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Now do cars.***
Oct 26, 2023, 12:20 PM
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Famously, very few regulations re cars.***
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Oct 26, 2023, 12:28 PM
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Re: Thoughts on the 2A and these mass shootings
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Oct 11, 2024, 11:42 AM
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“ Social media and other things may indirectly encourage these things, just by how they magnify publicity.”
I’m starting to think this might be the root cause. We’ve always had guns. People are force fed negativity all day everyday now and forget to go outside and just smell the roses and enjoy the sunshine.
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Re: Thoughts on the 2A and these mass shootings
Oct 26, 2023, 12:43 PM
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It is our collective crappie diet causing so much mental illness. Saying that tongue in cheek, but there may be something seemingly totally unrelated that is a root cause.
Assuming we will never ID or fix it, however, red flag seems like a logical choice.
However, who decides the criteria? The feds and the left CANNOT be trusted to create and enforce reasonable red flag laws. If they were responsible for this, anyone who voted for Trump would be Red Flagged. Seriously, this is not far from the truth.
Maybe with a set of smart people, criteria could be established. We should try.
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Medical professionals would create the parameters
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Oct 26, 2023, 2:19 PM
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is what I was thinking
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Re: Thoughts on the 2A and these mass shootings
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Oct 26, 2023, 2:20 PM
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Your friend (my former and still favorite avatar) didn't just hold a podium. He attempted to break into Pelosi's chambers and told rioters to use a bust of George Washington to break down the doors to the House Chamber.
And yet got only about 75 days in jail. He's been a free man for a while now.
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a) bullsh*t, b) still the FBI is a$$hoe***
Oct 26, 2023, 5:20 PM
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