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TNET: Former coach can see Clemson bounceback, but says Swinney's portal philosophy is not 'real business'
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:05 PM
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He ain't lying***
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Sep 4, 2024, 4:19 PM
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Re: He ain't lying***
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:14 PM
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He’s been pretty fair in his assessment of what Dabo is trying to achieve in the past. Rick has explained how he admires it, but also knows it hasn’t worked to maintain an elite program. I appreciate that he is one of the few in the media that still discusses the bad side of the portal and the loss of emphasis on getting a degree.
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Re: He ain't lying***
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Sep 5, 2024, 8:16 AM
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Problem is though he ain't telling the whole story. Georgia brought in 2 WR with game experience because nobody left in their WR room could fill their 2/3 starting spots with any game experience. If they had 6/7 deep like Clemson's WR room they would have never brought in a TP WR. Georgia brought in a RB due to no on field experience in the RB room. If they had not lost 2 RB they would have not brought in 1 from the Portal. Clemson has had 2 years that they had a starting QB and no depth behind him due to the 2/3 QBs going into the portal. What did Clemson do? They got 2 experienced QBs from the portal in case that had an injury. Georgia and the other schools using the TP are doing it due to absolute Necessity. Clemson does not have that necessity so therefore they don't use it. Oh btw Clemson started the year with no true game experience on the OL at center, they offered 3 different players to come play center and they all chose other places to play. Dabo Swinney has a plan with the TP and it has worked so far. Clemson has lost two games that you could say in a way was due to the TP. They're LSU '19 and FSU last year, how did that workout for those programs? Neither can you say are better than Clemson nor can you even say they're Clemson's equal. Dabo/Clemson is declining due to the TP is a myth and honestly the narrative is OLD. There has been a disfunction on offense the last 3 years due mostly to injuries and inexperience. This year the offense should be much improved by the time post season is here. Unfortunately first game it was exposed and didn't play well. We will see if that was due to Georgia or due to poor coaching. I for one believe it was more opponent and circumstances than permanent issues. I think we will see Saturday a different team all together and one that by years end is not going to be on any opponent's wish list!
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Orange Blooded [2587]
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No, he aint
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:16 PM
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Dabo, the rest of the world is watching our program struggling in the ropes.
Let’s win some games and invite Tyler over for one on one basketball.
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Re: He ain't lying***
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:28 PM
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I wish there was a way I could hear Dabo's private thoughts on what Neuheisel had to say about his philosophy towards the transfer portal...
Honestly, I'm going to stick with what I said about Dabo and the transfer portal. If Clemson had the NIL bank that some of these schools have that can afford any top player, they want from the portal, Dabo would use it in a heartbeat and I'm 100% sure that he would. But Dabo isn't likely to admit in a public form or on live TV Clemson's inability to raise enormous amounts of cash flow to use in the portal.
Remember what Dabo has already said about the portal and him using the portal to give players a home that is equal or less talented than the guys he's already got on his roster. I take that meaning that he isn't using the portal just to fill scholarships. And if our NIL bank can't afford the top shelf portal players, why bother bringing in any, he can use those scholarships to get top HS talent. Anybody that doesn't understand his way of thinking about that just shows they're not as smart as he is. I would bet anybody that Neuheisel don't have a clue of how much money our NIL bank has in it!!!
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Re: He ain't lying***
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Sep 4, 2024, 7:29 PM
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I have to believe if we can find the finances needed to build the best facilities in the country we can find the money to stock it with some of the best players in the country.
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Re: He ain't lying***
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Sep 4, 2024, 8:46 PM
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Texas A&M is bleeding money and they are desperate to buy a winner at any cost. Wasting millions on players that never make it, and $77.6 Million to fire another (National Championship) head coach, who got the nations #1 recruiting class with NIL money. FSU is burning down with NIL.
There are some good individual cases, but NIL Portal does not sustain a program, but it does fill gaps.
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Letterman [194]
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Re: He ain't lying***
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Sep 5, 2024, 6:02 AM
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Amen brother Texas
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Re: He ain't lying***
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Sep 5, 2024, 7:18 AM
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I live in Arkansas but a Clemson fan. I do not understand why Arkansas cant get whoever they want with NIL. I wish Clemson had the resources that Arkansas does, Walmart, JB Hunt and Tyson all at your backdoor. We just need a few to fix some holes, that's it.
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Sorry man. We have money.
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Sep 4, 2024, 7:31 PM
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Not enough to stock a team A&M style (not that we would want to), but enough to absolutely enough to afford cherry-picking a few select big talents to fill skill gaps.
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Nobody but Texas is in A&M's neighborhood****
Sep 4, 2024, 7:46 PM
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Re: Nobody but Texas is in A&M's neighborhood****
Sep 5, 2024, 12:08 AM
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Good point on NIL, curious where was he prior to NIL as a benefactor as there annual revenue generated has not been near the 2 previously mentioned.On similar NIL front Arkansas was another potential NIL whale of mention with the possibility of Tyson Foods, Wal-Mart, Jerry Jones, and a nation wide trucking company(name escapes me) forming a collective to rival the others.
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Orange Blooded [2475]
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Re: Sorry man. We have money.
Sep 4, 2024, 11:25 PM
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I agree that we could likely offer a million bucks to a high school senior to get their signature. On the hand, what about the rest of your players, especially the blue chips? They receive NIL the way it was intended (marketing), but came to Clemson because they believed in the Paw Journey, etc. imagine you are Wesco receiving basically nothing, but Moore gets $500,000 per year. I think it would definitely cause some locker room problems.
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Re: He ain't lying***
Sep 5, 2024, 2:46 PM
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I wish there was a way I could hear Dabo's private thoughts on what Neuheisel had to say about his philosophy towards the transfer portal...
Honestly, I'm going to stick with what I said about Dabo and the transfer portal. If Clemson had the NIL bank that some of these schools have that can afford any top player, they want from the portal, Dabo would use it in a heartbeat and I'm 100% sure that he would. But Dabo isn't likely to admit in a public form or on live TV Clemson's inability to raise enormous amounts of cash flow to use in the portal.
Remember what Dabo has already said about the portal and him using the portal to give players a home that is equal or less talented than the guys he's already got on his roster. I take that meaning that he isn't using the portal just to fill scholarships. And if our NIL bank can't afford the top shelf portal players, why bother bringing in any, he can use those scholarships to get top HS talent. Anybody that doesn't understand his way of thinking about that just shows they're not as smart as he is. I would bet anybody that Neuheisel don't have a clue of how much money our NIL bank has in it!!!
Ouch ZeeGantt
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Re: He ain't lying***
Sep 22, 2024, 11:30 PM
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NIL dollars is not the issue here. Dabo has made it plain he would rather see NIL dollars keep players on the roster (#2 in the country retaining players) than go into the portal and sell the farm for a portal player. Dabo has used the portal to fill the roster at QB and attempted to at OL (center). Dabo has never said that he is against offering in the portal if there is a true need. He proved it this past offseason offering several OL centers. Like I said before in an earlier post, This offense is much better than people want to admit. They were better the last 3 years had the WR & the OL rooms had of stayed healthy. This year you have a healthy WR room and a healthy OL room and the QB all of a sudden looks like Peyton Manning. Truth is he has always had the talent but not the confidence with the offense a mash unit around him. Clemson is proving healthy they are as good as anyone in the country and the Transfer Portal is not needed to be a good team if you manage your roster!
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Heres another perspective
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:23 PM
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Ok, so here’s a little perspective on the value of the portal. A VA Tech Hokie friend of mine told me today that Tech paid their QB $1mil to not transfer to Auburn and stay at Tech. If you didn’t follow the game this weekend, Tech lost to mighty Vanderbilt in OT. I didn’t watch much of the game, but was told that the Vandy QB was the best one on the field on Saturday. They say money can’t buy you love. Well, it may not buy you the players you need either. Look at FSU, where they were said to set the standard for using the portal. Just saying. Go Tigers
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Re: Heres another perspective
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:34 PM
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Agree, and Dabo knows better than anyone what money he has to work with from our NIL bank, plus there are rules to how it's supposed to be used and Dabo isn't going to break those rules like some schools do every time they use the portal!!!
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Many of today's top programs have been...
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:29 PM
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bidding and buying players for decades.
I'll tell you a true, funny story. A friend and his coworkers were taking lunch one day. They sat down with their bags of sandwiches and one of them ask the young guy, who had just gotten married a week or so before, how many times did you 'do it,' on your wedding night?
The young carpenter's helper thought and said 2 times. The older guy who questioned him remarked 'I did it five times.'
The young guy said, 'We only did it twice because she wasn't use to it.
Clemson doesn't buy players. If we ever did before Dabo it stopped with Dabo.
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Re: Many of today's top programs have been...
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:43 PM
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There have been stories of the past that Clemson was just as guilty as anyone else when it came to buying players, but Clemson wasn't getting caught every time we did it. Personally, I love Clemson just as much as anyone else, and I wouldn't have a problem with Clemson paying players if we had a way to do it without it turning into a huge scandal!!! With about anything thing in life, you have to find a way that will help you to keep up with most everyone else or you will be left far behind...
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Re: Many of today's top programs have been...
Sep 4, 2024, 7:26 PM
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Don't believe for a second that football, basketball and even non revenue student athletes aren't getting NIL/paid "now" money (they aren't the same thing) now.
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He did look in the portal, jacka55
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Sep 4, 2024, 5:43 PM
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A few OL said no, but he tried. He has a full roster, and an incoming transfer would’ve required kicking someone else off the team. Let him do it his way while he is coach.
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Yes, Dabo can do it his way, and we are free to disagree.
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Sep 4, 2024, 9:40 PM
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P.S. His pathetic attempt at trying to use the portal doesn’t count.
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Re: Yes, Dabo can do it his way, and we are free to disagree.
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Sep 4, 2024, 11:51 PM
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It appears the big question is whether an 11 million annual salary is not enough, enough or too much to be paying a head football coach who is #1 in graduating his players off the field but on the field the team has descended into a path of mediocrity over the past 3 seasons?
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Disagree
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Sep 4, 2024, 7:24 PM
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The portal breeds instability and self centered attitude. Ultimately, it's poison. It must be tempered selectively.
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Re: TNET: Former coach can see
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Sep 4, 2024, 7:27 PM
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Neuheisal could not have said it any better. Very professional, respectful and spot on.
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Tiger Titan [50242]
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Hes right.
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Sep 4, 2024, 7:29 PM
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And he is one of thousands of analysts and experts who have said this.
Amazing that anyone would still defend Dabo on this.
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Game Changer [1735]
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Spot on assessment..
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Sep 4, 2024, 7:44 PM
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Polite & respectful tone by RN
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"Real Business"
Sep 4, 2024, 9:07 PM
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Colorado has more transfers than any other team in the nation. They've won 5 games total. If Coach Swinney had only won 5 games after stripping the scholarships from most of the team, $8.8M spent on NIL deals, and made all of this noise in the media, I would hope Clemson would fire him.
However, I agree with the "real business" statement. In coaching real business is recruiting, developing, and mentoring players. It's also hiring the proper staff to support your vision. Transfer portal decisions have little to do with it.
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Re: "Real Business"
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The staff at WR is a big issue. Makes no difference if we find 5* players when our WR coach can’t teach them to get open, recognize, hand fight, and oh yeah-catch the #### football
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Why does this continual straw man rebuttal keep coming up?
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Sep 4, 2024, 11:25 PM
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I keep hearing replies like yours, as if the choice is only to operate like we currently are or to wash out the entire team in the portal annually.
Literally no one is saying that is what we should be doing. Selectively filling spot needs and position skill gaps where we are thin is what pretty much everyone would like to see, and you know it as well as I do. Pretending you’re arguing against a mob who wants us to be Colorado is disingenuous at best.
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Re: Why does this continual straw man rebuttal keep coming up?
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This ^^^
That is all we need to do. We lost several very good players last year to the portal and all we need to do is replace them with a handful of transfers in select positions of need. At a minimum we should be mining group of 5 teams for break out talent. FSU got Jared Verse and that DT from last year that way and they both had great seasons and got drafted day 1 in the NFL.
I definitely don’t want any part of what the Colorados or FSUs of the world are doing as a whole. That is desperation. FSU loaded up on backups in the portal this year and it’s a disaster. Others are getting guys that start at lower level programs and having great success. If UGA burns us with two WR transfers then we are missing something.
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Re: Why does this continual straw man rebuttal keep coming up?
Sep 5, 2024, 3:22 PM
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This ^^^
That is all we need to do. We lost several very good players last year to the portal and all we need to do is replace them with a handful of transfers in select positions of need. At a minimum we should be mining group of 5 teams for break out talent. FSU got Jared Verse and that DT from last year that way and they both had great seasons and got drafted day 1 in the NFL.
I definitely don’t want any part of what the Colorados or FSUs of the world are doing as a whole. That is desperation. FSU loaded up on backups in the portal this year and it’s a disaster. Others are getting guys that start at lower level programs and having great success. If UGA burns us with two WR transfers then we are missing something.
How much money are you willing to pay them? Also, whenever you pay a portal recruit immediately how are you going to replace current players that leave because they haven't been paid? Essentially, you'd be left with an empty cabinet and in search of an entire roster from the portal. Very few starters have earned an NIL package at Clemson yet. They're in the process of earning one right now and should they earn one, then they will be paid handsomely. However, those players would transfer immediately for a quick $500K if Dabo were to pay a portal transfer immediately to play for Clemson. Especially, if that player didn't have to earn it by playing for Clemson.
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Re: Why does this continual straw man rebuttal keep coming up?
Sep 5, 2024, 3:17 PM
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I keep hearing replies like yours, as if the choice is only to operate like we currently are or to wash out the entire team in the portal annually.
Literally no one is saying that is what we should be doing. Selectively filling spot needs and position skill gaps where we are thin is what pretty much everyone would like to see, and you know it as well as I do. Pretending you’re arguing against a mob who wants us to be Colorado is disingenuous at best.
The argument is a valid one. It goes something like this. Each player on the current roster signed a contract to play for Clemson. They have one of the best NIL programs in the nation, and they want to be part of that. Here's the catch, in their contract to play for Clemson, they actually have to earn a NIL offer. Transfer portal players are 100% seeking an immediate payout. Now, suppose you're a starting player and haven't quite earned a NIL offer and Clemson decides to recruit someone from the portal and pay them immediately. Would you transfer knowing that you can also receive a payout immediately by playing for ND, Duke, UCLA, or Miami? I would... You see, the problem doesn't quite lie with the portal in and of itself, it's the consequences you would have by recruiting from it when every impact player has a price tag in the portal. None of them are interested in playing for Clemson unless they're going to be guaranteed a specific payout. What if Cade Klubnik hasn't earned his NIL yet, but Clemson decides to recruit a lineman from the portal and pay him $500K immediately. That's a slap in the face to Cade Klubnik. Cade decides to transfer and play for Florida for $500K and leave Clemson in the dust. You can also expect other starters to transfer out at that point too. Clemson believes in NIL, Clemson believes in the portal, but YOU HAVE TO EARN YOUR NIL at CLEMSON by CONTRIBUTING TO CLEMSON.
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