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Bunch of selfish losers here
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I am both a Clemson football and Duke hoops fan. More of a Clemson football fan. However, I am a Duke alum. What you all seek to do to the ACC would mean schools like Duke and UNC would be relegated to some 2nd tier conference and would force the reduction of multiple olympic sports. For a few million more in your pockets you are good with so many other schools suffering?! Duke, UNC, NC State, Pitt, BC, Syracuse would all be hit hard while Clemson and FSU flee to greener pastures.
We, yes we as in all the ACC schools, signed a CONTRACT. That means we honor our word. At the time it looked good with the creation of the ACC network. NOW you want to break it for pure greed? "Honey sorry I want to end our marriage because I saw a prettier girl at the supermarket checkout line"?! SMH, grow up!
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Acc is already second tier it wouldn’t change much
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Re: ol
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Absolutely ok with whatever happens to those schools. I didn't go to Duke or UNC. We aren't ACC sympathisers here. We don't chant "acc" at games like some other conferences. This is about Clemson. That's it. Cry someplace else.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 4, 2023, 4:03 PM
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Agreed
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Re: You lost me at Dook grad****
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Screw tobacco road. Hope ya'll have fun in the SunBelt conference.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Gary? Gary is this you?
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Oculus Spirit [77011]
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We don't care about your conference woes.
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At all.
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All-In [38592]
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you are good with so many other schools suffering?!
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I have thought it over, and I am OK with that.
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F'em
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Duke shouldn't have neglected football all of these years. Clemson owes them nothing.
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Re: F'em
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This. 1000% this. They've had ample opportunity to improve their program but neglected it in favor of........roundball. And they tried to give our program the death penalty when Danny ran the football program. Skrew Dook and the horse they rode in on.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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UNCheat, Dook and most of the other ACC members at the time had no problem adding a year to our probation in the early 80s. Karma.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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BOOM!!! Karma! THAT's the proper answer to the moronic, socialist comment. Thank you!
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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You Blue Devils would do the same if you had the leverage. If Basketball was leveraged the same as football, you all would look to capitalize as well. Fact is that basketball is not the same revenue generator as football except for 1 month out of the year. If the SEC was the bigger basketball conference, you Durham sinners would be headed to another conference and wouldn't think twice about Clemson or the ACC. Your FSU would be UNC.
Don't act all haughty taughty, you are not 'Ole Miss.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Aug 4, 2023, 3:48 PM
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I could not possibly care less what happens to Duke or UNC in all this.
I cant stand either one.
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Oculus Spirit [93674]
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Duke needs to file for foodstamps and move into Gov housing.
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This whole concept of taking from teams which earn it and giving to those slackasz teams which put all their money into basketball rather than go about to produce a top football team is damnable.
Build a stadium that seats 90K. Find a headcoach and buy some football player who can produce on the field rather than spending all your money on one and done BB stars and meet your needs.
We ain't runnin no football orphanage.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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I do not disagree with the Contract aspect, was horrible contract when it was signed and is worse now... that being said... the ACC will become a group of 5 Conference on its current trajectory and become irrelevant... ESPN is going broke so they have no interest in any renegotiation of GOR...
The ACC should have scooped up UCF and WVU or Cinci when they had the chance ...
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Pulse and first sentence speaks volume’s. We should have done this 40 years ago when they didn’t care about our “suffering” with that extra year of probation they tagged us with. We owe no one anything at this point especially those Tobacco Road schools!
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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You lost me at, “I am a Duke alum”. Kick rocks
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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You aren't going to find much sympathy for anything related to Duke basketball on this board.
FYI
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Duke will always have its sense of sanctimonious smugness
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The "we are smarter and better than you" mindset. So Duke has that going for them. And maybe the B1G will have an interest in that precise quality. As for UNC and likely UVA, they will likely have more options than Duke.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Nice pulse! UNC deserves to get left. They have never done Clemson any favors.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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According to UNC, they already have offers.
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Nice pulse, bro.***
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Name one instance of Duke helping Clemson
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Aug 4, 2023, 4:15 PM
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When we were down, Duke piled on like the rest of Tobacco Road.
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Possibly Doris Duke shared a smoke with Frank Howard***
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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I am just a Clemson fan. Clemson basketball as well.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Carolina and Duke basketball to the AAC
Sure sounds good to me ...
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Aug 4, 2023, 4:36 PM
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That will get you alot of tu's🤣
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Misspelled looser
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Let me make this very simple to read and understand.. we dgaf about you and your Duke allegiance WE WANT OUT.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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You are the worst kind of "Fan" if you can even be called that.
I am both a Clemson football and Duke hoops fan. Get out of here with that nonsense, you are no Fan.
I have been and will always be a Fan of Clemson University, whether it be football, basketball, baseball, softball, debate team, tiddlywinks and any team that wears the PAW. I don't pick my fan status on how well a team is in a certain sport, I'm a Clemson Fan
And as a true Fan Of Clemson University I could not care less what happens to Duke or any of the Tobacco Road stooges.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Pot meet kettle.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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You are right to include Tobacco Road and “selfish losers” in the same conversation, although I would have reorganized those terms a bit.
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Or maybe, Clemson and FSU see...
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.... that if nothing is done the ACC will be a second rate conference without the financial ability to pay for all the non-revenue sports.
So, either way, with or without FSU and Clemson, the ACC - if it stays together as a conference - will be a second tier conference. The question for FSU and Clemson is simple: Do you want to participate in college athletes at a second tier level? If the answer is YES, then stay. If the answer is NO, then leave.
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Bret, yer gonna get flagged for being too sensible.
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Quick, say something preposterous like “FSU should make sure Duke basketball is properly accommodated!”
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Don't talk about love for Clemson and the ACC. How much extra probation did UNC get for their latest classroom cheat scandal? Nothing, unlike the additional punishment added (above and beyond the NCAA) to Clemson by the ACC. As far as Tobacco Road schools, there's no sympathy or empathy here.
How fast do you think it would take UNC or Duke to change their logo from ACC to SEC or B1G? It just sounds like if Clemson and FSU are gone there are no football coattails to hold on to.
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ACC is already second tier thanks to the
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Basketball schools you mention in NC so thanks
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Shut up
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Sorry Cylack, times change, circumstances change and you either control your own destiny or let someone else do it for you. You live in the ideal world where nothing changes; the rest of us live in the real one where pivots are necessary to survive and thrive. Life rarely goes according to plan and we all have to adjust to the challenges we didn't see coming.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Pigs from the checkout line or you are just making that up.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Dabo has been telling everyone for several years where college football is heading. He said it again today. Duke football will not be included in the top tier because the school has not fully invested in football. Don’t come on here complaining. Send your complaints to the Duke AD.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Show me the money! Duke can join the southern conference lmao dude
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Pics of your old lady, preferably nude .....
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Diploma; if you say it's not there I'm gonna need your social, birth certificate, bank account # routing number
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Tell Zion to give Duke some of their money back. Maybe that will help upgrade Duke football some
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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If you agree that 2 teams leaving would relegate the conference to 2nd tier, then you must also agree those remaining schools are in fact 2nd tier, and would presumably be where they belong. Not seeing the problem here
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Sir, this is a Wendy’s drive-thru.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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Dabo himself basically agrees with what I'm saying. That extra money doesn't make you a better team. Destroying a great conference like the ACC just to earn a few more dollars is unethical.
"When we played LSU in 2012, guess what? We didn't have the same TV contract, we definitely didn't have the same athletic budget, but we had the same amount of five-stars and four-stars . . . We're 3-1 against Ohio State. We will never have an equal alumni base to Ohio State, one of the greatest programs in the country. We certainly don't have the same budget. But we've been able to compete. We always have."
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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A few more dollars? Bit of an understatement don't ya think? What's the gap going to be in a few years....something like 60 million. In today's cfb/NIL world there's no way you will compete with the big boys working with that kinda deficit. Yes i know teams aren't supposed to be paying but lets be real. Not only that having that type cash in the coffers frees up booster money to pay NIL deals. So either way it makes a difference.
The conference has been a dead man walking for a while now and that's precisely why swoffy locked everyone into this crappy, long-term GOR deal. Trying to stave off the inevitable.
So call Clemson the bad guy if you want but at this point it's a matter of self preservation. Leave or die.
As you've probably gathered at this point you'll find no sympathy here for a NC school in case you haven't noticed. I do like wake but you dookies, tarheels and wuffies can all go kick rocks.
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Because tobacco road looks out for itself
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And not those outside. Clemson is a founding member of the ACC but has always been treated as an outsider. I've been wanting Clemson to leave the ACC for 40 years. But we remain loyal to a conference that stabs us in the back. The football here is absolutely lousy. It's not Big time football. Except for Clemson and FSU and occasionally Miami. Duke has never taken football seriously. They do currently have a great coach but only a matter of time before he wants to go somewhere with over 35,000 fans cheering. Georgia tech no longer tries to be good at football. Hardly anyone in this league does. That's why we are getting very low pay. Yes THEY (University Presidents) signed a contract but I never signed it nor would I have. But don't fret. I don't see anyone going anywhere.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
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We didn’t choose a lot of things that Swofford and others forced us into. We also have long-term memories of which schools had Clemson’s back during the probation period and which schools voted to extend the extra year. Remember 5-2? How did Duke and UNC vote? Please don’t come on here and use the “woe is me (Tobacco Rd)” sales pitch because it’s falling on deaf ears. If and when Clemson and FSU leave then it will be long past due and will have nothing to do with a contract. It will be about keeping up with Jones’s in a world of Transfer Portal and NIL, No Cap and protecting Clemson’s best interest for years to come. There’s no we and there never has been. ✌️
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I'm a younger guy
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Which school voted for the extra year and which ones didn't? UNC and Duke are the obvious ones lol
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"I am not going to sit on my ### as the events that affect
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me unfold to determine the course of my life."
That's kind of what the conference members need to be thinking now...
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You Dookies DESERVE to be relegated to a "2nd tier
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conference". Football drives the train, and your basketball school has done little to nothing to add value on the football field. You had one of the best coaches around, David Cutcliffe, and didn't give him enough tools to be able to consistently succeed. Clemson even gave you a good quarterback, and you didn't know what to do with him. He had to go to Appalachian State to finally find success. I hope, very soon, to see you and the rest of Tobacco Road in the rear view mirror.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 5, 2023, 10:16 AM
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Yet you’ve been ok for decades while fsu and Clemson and Miami subsidized Tobacco Road programs and weighed us down. No sympathy.
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Tiger Cub [13]
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 5, 2023, 10:18 AM
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Quick, somebody do wake forest next
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110%er [5711]
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 5, 2023, 10:27 AM
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Agree with a lot of what you said. But we signed a bad contract, meaning too long. Besides the SEC has any other conference won more National championships in the 3 main sports than the ACC in the last 20 years? No, I only point that out to say ACC is not a second tier conference as some say.
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Legend [15749]
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Respectfully, imagine a scenario where bball ran the show.
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Aug 5, 2023, 11:34 AM
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Now, imagine forces were working to create super conferences out of the basketball programs, and imagine Duke was looking at other conferences making tens of millions more than Duke every year, all be funneled back into their basketball programs.
Now imagine Duke fans sitting around discussing their options.
At what point does “Hey guys, we can’t leave the ACC…think of what that would do to Clemson.” Enter into the discussion?
I am on board with you that this greed is way out of control and ultimately every fan screaming for it will not be able to recognize the sport they once loved. But maybe get off your high horse about how Clemson fans aren’t thinking about Duke.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 5, 2023, 12:27 PM
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Really hope this is a joke. First of all, lol at pulling for two different schools in different sports. Loser. Secondly no one here gives a rats ### about Duke, Syracuse, BC nor any BS sports like rowing, equestrian, women’s ping pong or whatever
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Trainer [36]
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 5, 2023, 6:45 PM
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You are already in a second tier conference.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 5, 2023, 6:47 PM
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Duck Fuke!!!
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If you’re stuck in the ACC
Aug 5, 2023, 7:00 PM
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You’re already locked into a rapidly diminishing situation. I don’t see what good is does you to have Clemson and FSU share your misery.
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Eff The ACC Schools After The Rapey BS When They Stuck
Aug 5, 2023, 9:26 PM
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Clemson w/an extra year of probation they all deserve to fold up
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 5, 2023, 9:34 PM
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Fine with me if all the Tobacco Road schools go belly up. Especially UNCheat And Dook. Play your bassetball games against each other and quit crying. No sympathy for any of you in NC.
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 5, 2023, 9:40 PM
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UNC screwed clemson over and Duke would have done it in a heart beat too. So no I have no sympathy for them. Tobacco road has benefitted from the ACC office favoring them for years and their actions have led them to where they are today. Ignoring football and putting all their eggs in basketball is whats screwed them. And you want to know the funny thing? The SEC and Big 10 are BETTER in basketball now!!!!
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1) The ACC is already a 2nd tier conference
Aug 5, 2023, 10:04 PM
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2) Yes
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All-TigerNet [10345]
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Re: Bunch of selfish losers here
Aug 5, 2023, 10:40 PM
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I'm good with it. Screw all you tobacco road rejects and your silly basketball.
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