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Athletic Dir [858]
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Who really believes
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:40 PM
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That a 2 loss Alabama would not have been a better opponent than TCU.
Another national champioship game in tatters because of the lame way teams are ranked.
I continue to hate rankings by opinion and politics. Even if they expand to 12 or 16 teams in the playoff.... Over half of them will be bogus political rankings to make it look fair.
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Re: Who really believes
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:54 PM
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You are correct.
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 9, 2023, 10:59 PM
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Kirk was just talking about this just now as this shows a dim light on conferences that don't play with the same talent. Bama, Tenn, and Obviously Ohio St would be more competitive. But look at the talent at Bama and OhSt,, it matches up much better than a Cinderella team.
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TCU beat Michigan.
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Jan 9, 2023, 11:00 PM
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Does that mean Michigan was a fraud, too?
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Re: TCU beat Michigan.
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Jan 9, 2023, 11:07 PM
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absolutely
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Re: TCU beat Michigan.
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Jan 10, 2023, 4:10 AM
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Other than Ohio State who did Michigan actually beat as far as seriously good teams?
The problem of weak conferences continues. In a weak conference you don't know really what a team is until they get up against a seriously good team from a stronger conference. They might like Clemson was a few years ago. Extremely good even though the ACC is weak or they might be like Boise State who has gone undefeated year after year after year and wonders why they're not ranked in the top ten.
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CU Guru [1487]
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So who was any good then?***
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Jan 10, 2023, 4:20 AM
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Re: Penn State***
Jan 10, 2023, 6:10 AM
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TCU deserved it over all 3 B1G preTENders! They beat the best of them. You can make a case for Bama but their losses were not worthy of Top 4. Same with Tenn and Clemson loosing to the Coots! PAC beat themselves up but only 1 decent OOC win in the bunch.
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Re: Penn State***
Jan 10, 2023, 6:18 AM
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Also sometimes good teams don't match up. That was the case tonight. Yes UGA had 4 & 5*s playing every position but their lines dominated TCU. They didn't match up there at all. Much like Notre Dame against us, with our bad offensive showing they were able to load the box with blockers and beat a good defensive front 7 down.
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The questions wasn't who else should have gone to the CFB,
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Jan 10, 2023, 12:45 PM
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it was who else has Michigan beat besides OSU, and I replied PSU, who will finish in the Top 7
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I was so hoping for a matchup with them
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Jan 10, 2023, 12:38 PM
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I think we would have whipped them. They're not that offensively potent, and our new offense would have lit them up. I felt like UT was a lose/lose situation. Win, and it would have been because of opt outs and injury. Lose, and the talk shifts on how we should have beaten them due to opt outs and injury. Beating Penn State would have been more meaningful in my opinion. Regardless, Penn State wasn't a playoff team.
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Who said PSU was a playoff team?***
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Jan 10, 2023, 12:46 PM
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Not sure if you replied to the correct post?***
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:18 PM
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Re: TCU beat Michigan.
Jan 10, 2023, 12:42 PM
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That game was an absolute nightmare for Mich. So many mistakes...very uncharacteristic...and they still almost won. I think Mich wins 9 out of 10 against TCU.
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Still not a good reason to put Bama in! What great team did
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Jan 10, 2023, 6:25 AM
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Bama beat this year? Sadly, there was one elite team this year...UGA!
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Re: Still not a good reason to put Bama in! What great team did
Jan 10, 2023, 12:43 PM
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This. Bama had their chance but couldn't be a good no great LSU team.
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 10, 2023, 12:41 PM
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a one loss team made it to to cfp...how's that politics when they had that record?
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Bama had 2 losses and no quality wins
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Jan 10, 2023, 12:43 PM
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Talented or not, they didn't deserve it.
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 10, 2023, 12:46 PM
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It's going to be worse in expansion b/c you're going to have conf champions like Kansas State automatically getting a top 4 bye, with potential conf runner up teams like UGA, Bama, OSU, Mich, Clem having to play tough matchups in week one.
However, it's a great setup for Clem. The ACC is a joke. You're now guaranteed a top 4 bye spot. Congrats.
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Re: Who really believes
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Jan 10, 2023, 1:12 PM
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Yea and usuck still want sniff the playoffs.
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Bama was the 2nd or 3rd best team by the end of the year
Jan 10, 2023, 12:50 PM
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They finished 2nd in SP+ and FPI after destroying K State. Bryce Young getting healthy probably helped a great deal.
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Don't pay any attention to that FPI nonsense! It had Texas
Jan 10, 2023, 10:01 PM
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either 6th or 7th at the end of the year, after they finished 8-5!
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All of the advanced metrics had Texas very high
Jan 11, 2023, 11:16 AM
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there's usually one team like that every year. It happens. It also means Texas is a good candidate to make a big leap next year as bad record + high metric ratings generally mean a team got unusually unlucky. It can also sometimes mean a coach is bad at game management and winning close games though so the jury is still out on that one with Sark.
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Your point is correct, but what other measure would you use
Jan 10, 2023, 12:50 PM
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than opinion? Your choice of bama is an opinion. You want to go back to computers and stats? That failed too. In football, sometimes good teams get stomped. It happens...
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During the era of the 4 team playoff, it should have been
Jan 10, 2023, 10:14 PM
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simple! The committee should have had only one task...rank the teams and then seed the top four conference champs. I wouldn't mind the caveat of allowing a one-loss team in over a two loss P5 conference champ! But a one loss conference champ shouldn't get knocked out by a one loss non CCG winner!
This year, that would have resulted in the same four teams in! But it prevents the nonsense of an 11-1 team that didn't win their conference getting in over a 12-1 conference champ, like Bama did in 2017.
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Re: During the era of the 4 team playoff, it should have been
Jan 11, 2023, 2:32 PM
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I agree with @longtallsam. 4 best conference champions was all that was ever needed. Would have prevented a lot of the destruction of conferences that has occurred. If e$pn needed more games, then go to best 8 conference champions, or include all 10. Just quit trying to pack a bunch of losers who couldn't even win their conference into the championship just to appease the $EC and e$pn.
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 10, 2023, 10:31 PM
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So you just want to go back to BCS formulae (since you don’t want opinion or politics)?
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 11, 2023, 2:34 PM
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Opinion and politics were both part of the BCS. The AP and Coaches Poll were both significant parts of the rating.
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 11, 2023, 11:21 AM
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The 12 team playoff is going to be bad. We'll see a lot of 3-4 SEC team semi-final games IMO.
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 11, 2023, 11:49 AM
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UGA would've beat Bama handedly as well not by 48 but it would not have been competitive. Ohio State had the game of the year and caught UGA by surprise and still lost. Plus any team after the Ohio State game was going to get UGAs best game. They had a fire relit under them, they were on cruise control most of the year.
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 11, 2023, 2:19 PM
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Eliminate all subjective rankings and include all conference champions only. Regular season and conference championships will mean something again. Conferences will stop raiding others for the best teams. Teams will go back to their regional affiliations. Smaller conferences will get better because some better teams will want to join to be the big fish. More competition, more parity, and a real champion who earned it instead of a beauty pageant.
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 11, 2023, 2:26 PM
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That’s why they are going to 12 teams.
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Re: Who really believes
Jan 11, 2023, 2:34 PM
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The problem this year was TCU not being ranked #4 where they belonged. The blowout would have been in the Semifinals. Then we had a shot at Georgia and OhioSt in the final, or atleast a Michigan team that has an Oline and Dline that would have competed against the Dawgs. The committee chose not to gives us an automatic rematch of Mich-OhoSt for the various political reasons.
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