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Who exactly is the ACC? If they win what do they win.
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Dec 23, 2023, 9:54 AM
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And, exactly who gets any money from the win?
I'm no attorney. I'm just looking at this from a layman's perspective who appreciates the education I'm getting from those who do understand far better than me what this lawsuit means.
Let's assume the ACC wins. That means things are just like they are now. There is no financial windfall to the ACC. FSU isn't fined 500 million bucks and has to pay the ACC office. Jim Phillips doesn't get a 10 million dollar bonus.
Isn't "the ACC" just a corporation made of up the member schools? Seems clear to me that there is no financial gain if the ACC wins. Seems like what it means is that the member schools are tied into an agreement that will assure them they will have more money than the G5 conferences but FAR LESS money than the Big 12 and WAY FAR LESS money than the B1G or SEC. That may be a win for the schools that have no chance at going to one of the 3 conferences I just mentioned. But, it seems like a loss for FSU, Clemson, UNC and any other school that would end up in the B1G or SEC. And, it seems like a loss for any school that would end up in the Big 12.
Let's take Pitt for example. FSU wins and they can end up in the Big 12. FSU loses and they end up in a conference that will be the equivalent of the AAC or CUSA or Sunbelt by 2030. Why is the ACC winning a win for them?
If FSU wins and the conference dissolves, which schools will be worse off in 2030 than they would be if FSU loses?
My uneducated brain is thinking that those schools who do not have a landing spot in the B1G or SEC are talking to Brett Yormak and the Big 12 and trying to get assurances that the Big 12 would welcome them when the ACC dissolves. I can't imagine the Big 12 would not welcome at least 6, and probably more, of the guys left out of the P2.
So, if the ACC wins, what do they win and who gets whatever it is they win?
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The exit fee is only $130M I guess you would have to be one of the chosen
Dec 23, 2023, 10:00 AM
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Few who have been granted access to view the contract in order to know how that payment is distributed. I believe the rest of the $570M that FSU has been quoting is lost revenue because the ACC retains FSUs media rights. I assume for that it would just be the ACC distributing the TV revenue to one less team so all the rest of the teams get a larger share. Now we just added three new 2nd rate teams so who knows if they’ll also get a bite of that apple.
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IMHO... the ACC is already done for...
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Dec 23, 2023, 10:03 AM
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this is kind of like the dissolution of a marriage; once a person decides they want to leave you can take all kinds of steps to get them to stay but you're most likely just delaying the inevitable.
If the ACC wins, all they have done is put a bandaid over a sucking chest wound. Schools serious about football will still not be happy working at a 30+ million deficit every year and will almost certainly atrophy over the next decade.
So... by 2036 or so when they are renegotiating their TV deal (which both the BIG 10 and SEC get to do before us so that gap will almost certain widen) they will have LESS football assets to bring to the table. So... what kind of deal will they get then?
The ACC either breaks up or becomes the AAC in football eventually. I don't see another option.
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Re: IMHO... the ACC is already done for...
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Dec 23, 2023, 10:12 AM
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Does anyone really think the college football landscape will look anything like it is today with many conferences in 2030 for major college football, much less 2036?
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Re: IMHO... the ACC is already done for...
Dec 23, 2023, 10:12 AM
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I think you're right. It's amazing to me that with all the cumulative legal and business brain power of the ACC members that they'd sign such a one-sided, restrictive contract.
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Re: IMHO... the ACC is already done for...
Dec 23, 2023, 12:21 PM
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Exactly, these lawsuits are just deciding who gets what. The "marriage" between FSU and the ACC is basically over, but they have to divide assets and wait a bit to make it official.
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Re: Who exactly is the ACC? If they win what do they win.
Dec 23, 2023, 10:34 AM
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I think the winner is ESPN. They get to pay a much lesser amount for this league than other leagues get way out into the future. FSU was going to challenge and leave whether they made the playoffs or not. How much more valuable would they have been as a playoff participant than just the ACC Champion? ESPN has a vested interest in keeping FSU and Clemson bottled up in the ACC. They classify the tier each league is in by their payout. And of course that scumbag Swoffie must have a personal financial stake from this whole contract or else it never would have been done this way.
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Re: Who exactly is the ACC? If they win what do they win.
Dec 23, 2023, 10:40 AM
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ACC wins nothing but the ACC administration gets to keep their fat cat jobs. That’s why they fighting so hard just to keep their jobs and using our money to finance it. They put nothing personally toward fighting it.
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Re: Who exactly is the ACC? If they win what do they win.
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Dec 23, 2023, 10:44 AM
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Good morning Bret. I read a lot. Don't post a lot. I read most everything you post and appreciate your sensibility. This is a good question.
First, I don't know why you and so many others say the ACC is behind the Big 12 in money. Everything I have read says otherwise. I just did a Google search and again got the same answer. In 2024 the expected payout to ACC schools will be $42 million and the expected payout to Big 12 schools will be $31 - $32 million. Let me emphasize, I am no ACC sunshine pumper. I think Clemson needs to get out if it has a better place to go, but almost everything I read says the ACC will be far ahead of the Big 12 when it comes to money. Remember too, the PAC 12 was offered $30 million per school by ESPN, sneered a it, demanded $50 million and ESPN walked. That is what led to its collapse. Then ESPN got the Big 12 for $30 million per school, and when the PAC 12 schools (ASU, Arizona, Colorado and Utah) joined, they got the exact same. There was no sudden upgrade in money. ESPN was obligated to pay only the same it was already paying, just like it was with the ACC when it added the new 3. The ACC just chose to distribute the new money on an uneven basis for a time, which the Big 12 did not do. You can find articles all across the spectrum but it appears from the.most reliable sources that the ACC schools will make a.lot more than the Big 12 schools in 2024 and movimg forward. The problem is that we are talking about who is the highest paid also-ran conference at that point.
As for your other questions, I think that if the ACC wins, there will be no change unless FSU chooses to quit the.conferemce anyway. And in that case FSU will lose a lot of money. Either it will have to pay the price of exit, or walk away and leave its home media rights with the ACC. And if it does that there is no way the SEC or B1G would pay full value to FSU since it would have no rights to FSU home games. So FSU will probably be stuck unless it can cobble together the money it would take to get out. Which, by the way, appears to decrease by about $33 million per year.
If FSU wins, there will be an appeal of course. What happens while that is pending is anyone's guess. Probably a settlement with FSU walking for a more reasonable buyout. Shortly after that the ACC will likely collapse and most teams will spread out across the remaining 3 conferences.
Some will find no home, and that will be unfortunate. There will not be some big happy super league like Chip Kelly suggested though. There is no benefit to either the SEC or the B1G to do that. Why would they share with 64 teams what they currently have to share with only 34, and maybe 40 down the road.
Just my thoughts
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The best result would be for 8 teams to vote to dissolve the league
Dec 23, 2023, 10:46 AM
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and then start a new ACC, with another name and is a new legal entity and only include the schools that bring value.
With a 12 team playoff it makes more sense to go back to smaller conferences.
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Re: The best result would be for 8 teams to vote to dissolve the league
Dec 23, 2023, 12:15 PM
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Man, if I take a second and forget where I am, this actually seems like a thoughtful thread…thank you!
So there is one group that seems golden and I don’t know why…the lower half of the SEC (chicks, Vandy, etc) just take their beatings, take their money and smile. In the collapsing conferences, OSU, WA State, etc are getting hosed for playing the same role in their conference.
Why is it more noble to be beaten down every week in the super conferences and why not send Vandy to the Southern Conference, where they belong? - they’d give Furman heck…
It just seems that if we are really about being football’s superior race, send those with 20 year losing records packing.
But no sir, we are taking care to be sure UGA and Bama can miraculously avoid playing one another unless it’s for the title. If the conference is so big, the scheduling politics will be ridiculous.
This explosion would have not occurred had the FSU season happened next year - they’d have been the #5 seed and off we go.
It is unfortunate that we are attached to FSUs hip at this point - they have always been entitled members and have always had a veiled threat to leave, since the day they joined. They are nothing like the original conf members and it was strictly a money play.
Now we wait and see if we are allowed to compete. I’m getting over football quickly. Maybe they’ll form a pickleball league for TV to sell Bud Light to old guys…can’t wait.
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Apparently you win a trip to court***
Dec 23, 2023, 12:31 PM
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