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When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it
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When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 9:50 AM

now embodies and counts so highly towards the worth & national prestige of an institution almost as much as the academia side of that said university!

Can you imagine, say CLEMSON, not having a football program since 1897 til 2022 and what it would be without that sport?

Bet Most of us would not be Clemson football fans if we had to attend, graduate and/or be part of the Academia side of the University..nor would we be fans if Clemson never had a football team.

Saying, What would universities like Clemson, Alabama, Michigan, So Cal, OHst, etc be like today IF they had not slowly built their institutional brand up over the past 125 years on the back of college football?

Well, Coach Frank would say lil ole Clemson did have problems in the 40's & 50's getting players outside the region to come to Tigertown since they'd never heard of Clemson College.

Can you even imagine major colleges Not having a football program but instead putting their resources & time strictly onto academics?

That idea brings up the real fact that a university's college football program actually draws potential students into its enrollments thus helping its growth and budgets which is a fact when the football team wins a major bowl game or better yet a Natty..

while ironically the general national sports public often sees a university's overall strength academically thru how that institution fairs in college football..

thus the sport that infiltrated the halls of academia over 125 years ago rules too many university budgets & reputations and thus has become a bull in the arena of higher learning & research.

Now, the sport has grown so much that it's built huge stadiums on campuses, large support complexes, hired million $ coaches & staffs and become the face of the institution for millions of people around the globe..

and just recently the sport has veered from the early concept of recruiting high school players thru a partial or full scholarship offering for educational purposes (aka: Student-Athlete) to now recruiting unsatisfied players directly from other college football teams by luring or paying them huge sums of $ to play for them instead..

while these supposedly "Student-Athletes" can now take on high paying gigs as the advertising face of commercial companies.

Well, if either a deceased college sports fan, or a former football player or a coach from the early to mid 1900's were to be brought back from the dead they would think the sport of college football has gotten way out of hand and is ruling the academic university way too much in many instances from what its main core of existence was & still is..HIGHER EDUCATION & Research..

and not an on-site haven for a "campus" sport called football that has overstepped its original purpose.

What say you?

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Flutie Effect's one of the terms named for the phenomenon...


Dec 13, 2022, 9:53 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2013/04/29/the-flutie-effect-how-athletic-success-boosts-college-applications/?sh=12679a706e96

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Re: Flutie Effect's one of the terms named for the phenomenon...


Dec 13, 2022, 10:12 AM

Thanks to both. Great article. Dabo has had an unbelievable effect on our university. Would be hard to measure, if at all.

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A huge & vital reason he gets paid the premium he does.


Dec 13, 2022, 10:36 AM

He is Clemson University's greatest Ambassador.

The University has ridden the crest of the tsunami created by CDS, his program and has leveraged it at every turn possible.

There are some @ Clemson that have failed to take advantage.

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$$$$$$$***


Dec 13, 2022, 9:56 AM



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Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.


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Dec 13, 2022, 10:14 AM

Agreed, $$$$$

College football fans have always been passionate. In the 50’s & 60’s most college football Coaches were payed salaries that were reasonably in line with the population at large. By the 80’s Bear Bryant was making almost half a million. 15 years later Spurrier was making 1 million. Less than ten years after that Miles was making almost 4 million. Giant Stadiums, huge salary contracts and small numbers of extremely wealthy people running the show? I’d say it started in the 80’s, exploded in the 90’s and completely went berserk over the last 15 years. It used to be a cheap pastime. Now it’s not and that is directly related to facilities that cost 50 million plus and annual staff salaries of 25 million plus.

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Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 10:14 AM

Just consider this: SCAR has neither!

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Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 10:32 AM

Crazy to think that people would just be going to college to get an education.

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No, I can't imagine.***


Dec 13, 2022, 10:34 AM



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Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 10:35 AM

The pendulum will swing back once the current state of football starts having a negative impact on the institution. Just saying, imo basketball
has already affected it negatively. Here's an article that supports the fact that once you lose the HS recruiting and the athletes start the one and done, interest goes down. People still love to follow and root for the home town guy.

Now that basketball crap is spilled over into football. Some like judge may say Dabo is a dinosaur but is he? Maybe he's 10 steps ahead of us and really a genius trying to save our beloved sport. Interesting theory.

https://morningconsult.com/2022/03/17/ncaa-march-madness-interest/


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couple that with the 'ignorance' of


Dec 13, 2022, 11:26 AM

contact, palming and walking rules; then not being enforced... adds to the 'unwatchable' quality for folks like me.

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Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 8:54 PM [ in reply to Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it ]

Part of it’s my age(54), but I grew up on ACC basketball and loved it more than football in the 70’s and early 80’s. Used to know every starter and then some on all the ACC teams. Now I can’t tell you a single player’s name on any team besides ours.

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Money isn't bad, in fact it's necessary


Dec 13, 2022, 10:41 AM

...but your point, greed has taken over and now CFB is completely off the rails.

My interest is definitely waning.

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Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 10:54 AM

The exposure drives increased applications which increases selectivity which increases the prestige of the University - if it so desires.

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Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 7:04 PM

That sounds good but it is only increasing out of state applications which makes it way harder for SC students to be accepted. They still go, so the student quality isn’t really different than ever, but they have to come in through the bridge program. As a taxpayer I would prefer the school concentrate on its mission which is to educate South Carolinians, not a bunch of Yankees with full time SAT coaches.

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Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 9:31 PM

That's why I threw the caveat at the end. Some states strictly regulate the percent of out of state admissions at their public colleges. South Carolina seems a little more relaxed than some states and Clemson has been aggressively increasing the out of state enrollment.

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Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 11:11 AM

I wonder what the average Clemson fan and I’m meaning the ones that actually attend games spends in a season?

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Re: When & How did football get a grip on colleges so strongly that it


Dec 13, 2022, 12:31 PM

Emory University is a model for your example. Well respected academically. There are many others I guess.

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TL; DR***


Dec 13, 2022, 9:45 PM



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