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We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Do we expect to win every game? Sure. Will we always win every game. No. We haven't got blown out in any game this year. Every loss was a close loss. It's pretty simple, if we don't turn the ball over , we're undefeated right now. Turnovers loses games. Turnovers have lost us 4 games. It's pretty simple when you break it down.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Alot of this isn't about wins or losses it's about accountability and attitude.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Oct 31, 2023, 1:23 PM
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Which are conveniently vague and unquantifiable- except where demonstrably wrong like accountability which was meted out by firing the OC last year and rhetorically by Dabo in virtually every interview. So what’s really bothering you?
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Love the new picture
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😂😂😂😂
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 6:29 PM
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Who's bitching.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Then how are we 8 games in and havent fixed the problem? Additionally...this team isnt championship caliber. Lets just stop that non-sense. The KB era were better teams and they didnt win a Natty. Boyd era teams were better and they didnt win it all either. This team is who they are...bad. Trying to spin it otherwise is futile.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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The KB “era” was a year….
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Oct 31, 2023, 6:28 PM
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Statistics kicked my butt…
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Oct 31, 2023, 1:28 PM
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Coaches don't turn the ball over. Get real
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:35 PM
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Do they teach ball security? Does our QB coach not teach his position to limit turnovers? Does the o-line teach run blocking? Is Wes getting out there with his LB's and fixig tackling issues? It seems that Duke can manage to be a Top 25 team this year with lesser talent. How can our coaches not manage the same with a loaded roster?
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Oct 31, 2023, 1:39 PM
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Bro, shet happens. Can 5 star players not turn the ball over. Yes we have superior talent, but people can still make mistakes. We clean up the turnovers and will don't lose another game
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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I respect your opinion...but humbly disagree. Even without TO's this team is offensively limited. Cade is not all the sudden going from leading the nation in fumbles to throwing dimes and not turning the ball over. That takes development and coaching. Something we have been lacking for 3 years.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Bro, you have to realize that turnovers is what losses games. We have the talent. We have the coaches. We just have to stop turning the ball over. Answer this question. Do we beat Duke, FSU, NC state and Miami if we don't turn the ball over??
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Oct 31, 2023, 1:30 PM
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If you are still turning the ball over this late in the season it's coaching.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:32 PM
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Coaches don't play the game dvmbass
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:35 PM
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And obviously you haven't either 🙄
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So you actually played football
Oct 31, 2023, 1:39 PM
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and blamed your coach when you fumbled the ball. Oh wait! The reason you were good at holding onto the ball was all due to the coaches you had even though you were really bad at holding onto it.
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Re: So you actually played football
Oct 31, 2023, 1:43 PM
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No I didn't blame the coach, but are we working on ball security? Are we putting players in positions to succeed on the field?
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But I believe a lot of folks posting here
Oct 31, 2023, 1:50 PM
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are doing exactly that - fumble after fumble and it's still the coach's fault. Don't they know fundamentals of ball security and pass it on daily?
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:43 PM
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Like Dabo said. Fans like you are the problem. I'm sure you really love Clemson, but you're so spoiled from our success that you take it for granted.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:46 PM
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Again success has nothing to do with where I'm coming from. It's accountability and attitude.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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I thought Turnovers we're the problem. Im an Alumni who hasnt played a down all year. How's it my fault?
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:33 PM
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Turnovers do lose games. No argument here. Coaching also fixes problems. Over the last 3 years look at the trend of the program and tell me how we are well coached, especially on offense. Wide Receiver U...gone. O-line...atrocious. QB play...DJU seems to be doing better now that he left. Like it or not, we continue to struggle with the fundamentals due to poor coaching. Underdogs win games all the time, but when we are continuing to lose to less talented underdogs like Duke and NCST its no longer a fluke but a trend.
Additionally, yes the KB era only lasted 1 season. Point taken. In that 1 season he did manage to take us to the playoffs. Thats better than the 4-4 record we are currently looking at.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:36 PM
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What's our record if we don't turn the ball over?
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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4-4. Period. Thats our record. Did we turn the ball over? Yes. Did it help us lose games? Yes. Are coaching inadequacies also to blame? Yes. The turnovers, AND the coaching are kne and the same problem. We havent developed a QB in 3 years!!! These are not independent problems but interwined issues. Coaches, good coaches, see problems and fix them. Where have our good coaches been fixing problems?
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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So by your rationale, you are cool with going 6-6 every year coughing it up repeatedly every game as long as we look good in a multitude of other metrics? The coaches just can't help this repeated turnover thing... oh well. It's on the players. Completely disagree on we have the coaches and talent. Half the staff needs to go (should've never been hired in the first place) and our talent is pretty much centered on the D. Our WRs and OL are as average as the day is long. How does that happen 4 years post 2nd natty? We have a good pass catching TE and a couple of above average RBs on O. That's about it.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Your a spoiled fan who doesn't understand the basics of football. If we quit turning the ball over. We will win. Like WAKE TF UP
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:37 PM
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Ok...when do we start making field goals too? How about recruitng a kicker that can make 75% of his attempts...oh that right, thats not on the coaches either.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:42 PM
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No argument there. I have no answer for the crappy special teams play. BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT IF WE DONT TURN THE BALL OVER IT WOULDNT EVEN MATTER ABOUT THE FIELD GOAL KICKER
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:50 PM
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At what point do the turnovers, in your opinion, reflect on coaching?
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 3:03 PM
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My bad....and offensive line
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Seems to me you're a little spoiled with watching press conferences where leadership deflects all responsibility. At some point when you have 3 years of below average offensive play, logic would point to more than just players. Our record is 4-4. We have a turnover prone QB. We will be lucky to make a lower tier bowl. At some point leadership accepts responsibility for the product on the field. If the QB cant quit turning the ball over change QBs, change the scheme, change coaching tactics. Most importantly change the problem. That's called leadership and coaching. Right now we have deflection and losses.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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How would you like for him to fix the problem mid-season? Fire a coach without being able to bring in a replacement until the off season? THAT seems futile.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 4:33 PM
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Not asking for that. Just lokking for acknowledgment that the root cause of the turnovers lies with coaching. How Dabo fixes isnt for me to solve, i dont expect my phone to ring with him on the other side any time soon. Im bnot at practice, I have no "insider" info, heck I dont even live in SC. Im nust an Alumni who sees a team continually failing at the fundamentals. To me that says poor coaching.
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#1. A 21 point loss to Duke isn't a "blowout" in your book?
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#2. Losing to perceived inferior opponents from a talent and/or coaching standpoint hits just like a blowout
#3. Your "we're undefeated if we don't turn the ball over" tells me you don't understand what the PROBLEMS are b/c you're too enamored with the symptoms.
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Re: #1. A 21 point loss to Duke isn't a "blowout" in your book?
Oct 31, 2023, 1:27 PM
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Look at the basics of the game bro. You can't win when you lose the tourover margin. Look at all of losses, who won the turnover battle? Us or them???????
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Re: #1. A 21 point loss to Duke isn't a "blowout" in your book?
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We turned the ball over more in 2015 and 2016. If I remember, we won a natty and was a well timed onside kick and a kickoff
return from winning 2. Oh, and by the way, both of those plays happened because the team was poorly coached.
Another thing to you, Dabo, and all your clic that keeps spouting off we win the game if scenario. No one has any idea what those games are like had we Not turned the ball over. We've laughed at the coots many times for preaching the stuff y'all spew.
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Re: #1. A 21 point loss to Duke isn't a "blowout" in your book?
Oct 31, 2023, 1:45 PM
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Pretty sure we won a lot of games with Trevor, ETN and DW when we lost the turnover battle. That was actually an amazing stat one year when we kept losing the TO battle and kept on winning. Chalk that one up to superior talent I guess. That's one thing we are lacking now, especially on offense. What do you think, bro?
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We are a fan base who expects to be competitive at the elite level
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each year, because that is what Dabo has told us the standard will be. He reiterated this as recently as this year, comparing this team to the natty team. How are we spoiled if these are the expectations that have been set for us, and is the reality for other teams like Alabama and Georgia? It seems like Dabo is angry about not delivering on what he's said our expectations should be, and worse, the direction our program seems to be heading.
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Re: We are a fan base who expects to be competitive at the elite level
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I heard that oft muttered mantra from Dabs last year..."The best is yet to come..." That sound bite rings a bit hollow now.
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I'm still waiting for one of these Lookbackers to convince me we still wouldn't
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have Streeter if not for the pushback from the fanbase that the ship was sinking.
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Re: I'm still waiting for one of these Lookbackers to convince me we still wouldn't
Oct 31, 2023, 2:51 PM
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I hope Dabo doesn’t take advice from the fan base. Most fans actually know very little about the sport they watch. They repeat crap they have heard their whole life. Was Streeter ready to be our OC. I didn’t think so but to be honest I didn’t think Morris was either.
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COOT***
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Offensive line play has not been good.
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Receivers have not gotten separation nor caught balls they clearly should have caught. The kicking game has been hit-or-miss (literally). Bad decisions by the QB and offensive backfield.
There are more problems than turnovers.
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Re: Offensive line play has not been good.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:33 PM
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I can't argue with that. But answer this. If we don't turn the ball over, are we undefeated right now?
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Re: Offensive line play has not been good.
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No!!! We even outgained NCST and Miami even in spite of turnovers and still couldnt win. If Im not mistaken it wasnt the offense that allowed Miami to run the ball all the way down the field to send the game to overtime. This team is not good. Period. The tunovers are hurting us, no argument. But even when we dont fumble, or throw ints, or miss field goals, or allow the other team to run the ball down our throat, we're just not good. If we wanted to limit turnovers why not play Helms at QB? If all it takes is eliminating turnovers wouldnt that be a good place to start?
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Re: Offensive line play has not been good.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:49 PM
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You gonna sit here and tell me if we don't turn the ball over we're not undefeated rn? Like cmon bro let's be real. I understand your frustration and your arguments. But your not being reasonable. It's plain and simple. Don't turn the ball over. Don't lose
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Re: Offensive line play has not been good.
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You're sitting here and telling me our coaching staff isnt a problem? That the head coach isnt acting unprofessional? That at some point the coaches arent to blame for the turnovers? Cmon bro lets be real. A poorly coached O-line, a turnover prone QB, Wide Receiver U gone. At some point isnt this at least a development, recruiting, and coaching issue too? Turnovers are a huge problem but whats the root cause?
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Re: Offensive line play has not been good.
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Give it up 2011. He’s stuck on the turnover excuse. I think it’s one of the Swinney boys.
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Re: Offensive line play has not been good.
Oct 31, 2023, 4:47 PM
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Sigh..I tried
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Maybe. But there is no way we compete with any strong team.
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Take away turnover, and we're still a team with no fire in its belly, is slow as a mole's a$$, and is just, generally, sloppy. IMO, we're more of a poorly coached team than a poorly talented team, and holding onto the ball doesn't change that.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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All successful programs have a demanding fanbase with high expectations. They want to play for titles. It doesnt matter whether it's the NFL, NBA, MLB, or college football.
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IDK. One of Tom Brady's hallmark traits was an attitude that
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past success was indicative of future performance.
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Yep. People who keep whining about Clemson fans reactions
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Must’ve never seen any other fanbase reactions. Look at any comment section after any team tweets about a loss now. It’s always crazily negative, no matter what team it is.
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Re: Yep. People who keep whining about Clemson fans reactions
Oct 31, 2023, 2:00 PM
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It's crazy man, the Clemson fans I used to know were vigilant and strong. We packed out death valley when we were 4-6. These Clemson fans now jump ship and criticize everyone when things aren't going good. Success always makes people weak.
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What is so hard to get that once the expectation has been set that we'll
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Oct 31, 2023, 2:05 PM
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be competitive at the elite level every year, that people are going to be upset when we don't even come close that. Our 4-4 record is beside the point. Look at this team and how it is coached. Heck, look at our coaches. Does that say to you we're competitive at the elite level?
That's what people are upset about. We've been told Clemson reached the top, and will stay at the top. Nothing about the program that Dabo's built in the last few years suggests we're able to do that. Recruiting misses. Bum coaches that nobody else in the Elite Programs would dare to hire even as a joke. And on the field performance that suggests we are reaping what has been sown.
Yeah. People are concerned, and upset.
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my dad said that exact thing at an orange and white game where deshaun
Oct 31, 2023, 1:53 PM
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was going into his final year. He played like maybe 2 series' total in that spring game and the first play or 2nd play of the first drive he threw a 40 yard bomb to one of our guys and wr ran the extra 40 for the TD. Dad looked at me and said "we are gonna be a spoiled fanbase once he leaves." Then we got Trevor next which piled on to our entitlement. I thought more of the same was going to come from DJ but not to be.
It was very true though. I knew there was gonna come a day whenever that would be where we would struggle and the fans of entitlement would rear their ugly heads and run after Dabo with their threats and whining. I'm guilty of complaining myself but never want Dabo to go anywhere. Assistants and Coordinators I'm good with change if its needed.
But here we are. The only one other than Danny that has ever righted the ship was Dabo and he did and excellent job. Let the man piece together his plan and have another go at it. Going after him b/c of his paycheck is a bad look too. That's the part where this Tyler guy was ultimately wrong and disrespectful. Its fine to ask tough questions but don't be disrespectful. Message board decorum is really screwing up common sense communication skills. His paycheck was earned. They don't give that money to scrubs. He earned that years ago. And if he has future success it will go way up from there.
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Dabo has earned his paycheck.
Oct 31, 2023, 1:55 PM
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What he hasn't done is guarantee it.
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The Duke game wasnt close. Maybe you missed that one?***
Oct 31, 2023, 2:03 PM
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Re: The Duke game wasnt close. Maybe you missed that one?***
Oct 31, 2023, 4:25 PM
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Go back and watch that one - we were within one score pretty much the entire game. The last turnover proved to be one too many, but it didn't come until the 4th quarter.
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And all that is bupkis. We lost by 21.
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Oct 31, 2023, 4:31 PM
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But if “we were within one score pretty much the entire game” gives you solace, you do you.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Oct 31, 2023, 2:23 PM
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No we aren't. Clemson has one of, if not the best fanbase out there. As a season ticket holder to both Clemson and UF, I can attest to that. No offense to OP, a very lazy take. For example, the treatment Dabo would get at BAMA or LSU or even UF would be night and day compared to the pushback he's gotten here. He would be eviscerated --- it would get very ugly @ those schools
We have many other issues other than turnovers. Dabo has a point, but when you are down 24-7 at one point to a very mediocre NCSU squad, and your record against P5 programs over the last 2 years hasn't been stellar, its more than turnovers. Again, LESS IS MORE here. No more talk abt turnovers and we'd be 8-0 or this group has two NCs in them, or mentioning fans, or saying maybe we should lose a few more, etc,etc....just say we are evaluating everything and are working hard to get it right. Its really that simple.
There is nothing wrong with fans voicing concerns. Tyler did it the wrong way last night and the response wasn't wise either. Concentrate on what you can control, ignore the rest....
1000% of the narrative should be on a VERY good ND team. But here we are......
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GO DABO - ALL IN - GO TIGERS***
Oct 31, 2023, 2:47 PM
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We are spoiled - yes. But your season breakdown is not that simple.
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Oct 31, 2023, 4:29 PM
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Notably - The Tigers have been 1 play away from barely beating 2 really bad teams. (Miami with no QB and the wolfpack.)
Against those teams - a pick6 or a fumble on the 1-yard-line SHOULD have only meant we won by 3 TDs instead of 4.
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Oct 31, 2023, 4:44 PM
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We should able to beat these mid-tier ACC teams without having to play a perfect game, with the possible exception of Florida State.
With our superior talent, we should be dominating teams like NC State, Wake Forest, and Miami but instead, there is no margin of error.
I don't think it is unreasonable for the fans to expect Clemson to be more than a middle of the pack ACC team. Considering the caliber of ACC competition we play with a couple of FCS cupcakes thrown in every year, 10 wins with a couple of losses shouldn't be that hard to achieve.
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with how we have recruited
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Oct 31, 2023, 8:20 PM
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vs duke , nc state and miami there is no reason we should not slaughter them to the extent the turn overs should be no difference. the thing ignored by the turnover crowd is our offense still sputtered and struggle dto move the ball turn overs or not. we have looked god awful even without turnovers
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
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Oct 31, 2023, 7:56 PM
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What's "spoiled" about paying a coach $150 million and expecting top tier results?
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Re: We really are a spoiled fan base.
Oct 31, 2023, 9:33 PM
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Nothing.
All the Dabo pumpers think we are haters, but it’s more that they are fine paying Dabo 11.5 mill a year for a participation trophy.
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