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TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 1:47 PM
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acc, acc, acc..... it just means less. LMAO
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Unless the TP rules are changed within the next few years....
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College football will completely devolve into a premiere league of 32-36 teams (structured and scheduled like the NFL) and feeder leagues/conferences (everyone else).... I say devolve because many of the state, regional, and national rivalries will cease to exist, conferences as currently structured will cease to exist, and the TV money will flow unimpeded toward the premiere league.... For teams like Wake Forest, who rely on significant redshirting (15-18 players per year) and 2-3 years of development to be competitive in the ACC once every 5 or 6 years, this will be a crisis, because they will lose their best players every year.... Clemson will be forced to decide between premiere and feeder league status.....
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 5:02 PM
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What's even funnier is that Tyler Venables is still on scholarship, it isn't that I don't think the kid is deserving of a scholarship, but with the scholarship numbers as they are, it would seem that with BV understanding how important those scholarships are, and I'm sure that he knows where we're at with those numbers, I was thinking that maybe he should just tell Dabo that he will pay for his sons last year at Clemson just to help out with those numbers. I mean it's not like he would miss it from the salary that he makes, and there may be a time in the future that he will need to come back to Clemson to work, just saying help us out with our scholarship number BV
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That's not the reason we're not taking transfers
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Georgiaand every other school take whoever they want. And Brent knows Dabo would not use that scholie for a transfer, so he's not going to do that. I agree with your point, bit it's not going to happen.
Dabo is a great CEO coach, motivator and very good recruiter of high school players, not great. And he is terrible at roster management, too loyal to DJU which set us back and wasted two national championship caliber defenses, and he refuses to change with the times.
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Re: That's not the reason we're not taking transfers
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Jan 18, 2024, 7:41 PM
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While I agree with the majority of what you said the issue with the portal is Dabo will NOT tell a transfer that he has a starting spot and "we will have X $ waiting for you when you get here" . I knew that was going to be an issue from the jump with Dabo. He is nothing if he isn't loyal to his recruits. It's who he is and what we've always known he was since the get-go. Gotta take the good with the bad. Go Tigers
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Re: That's not the reason we're not taking transfers
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Jan 18, 2024, 8:20 PM
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Dabo is loyal to the parents and recruits.
He is also meeting the requirements of the Board and President!
He gets what he needs with their support.
Let’s Beat Georgia and FSU next year!
We should be loaded without injuries!
Go Tigers!
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Re: Why is it so hard to understand
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Jan 19, 2024, 9:55 AM
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everybody who is crying about the portal refuse to address that part.....its not just about picking players out the portal....its also about meeting their demands and requirements
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Re: Why is it so hard to understand
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Jan 19, 2024, 10:00 PM
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Address it openly, ignore it completely, quietly accept it as part of the transfer package.... what does it matter? Other teams are managing it much better and are making moves for the player(s) they want from the portal. Regardless of the philosophy behind the actions (or in this case inaction) portal moves simply are not happening here and won't happen until Capt'n Dabo jumps onboard.
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Not only is the accs position weak but the acc actually sued fsu
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Jan 18, 2024, 1:47 PM
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before fsu announced that they were filing a lawsuit against the acc.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 1:48 PM
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IS Holden Caspersen not on Scholarship? According to Tnet Scholarships page he is which would make him a specialist on Scholarship. I have us at 85 including Paul Tyson. Wonder where we differ. If you don't have Caspersen then that means you have 2 that I don't.
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Here we go again with
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Jan 18, 2024, 1:51 PM
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the scholarship numbers. It amazes me that we are the only school in the nation with this problem. We all know this will work itself out like it does every year, and like usual by the time the season starts our # will be at like 82 and we'll add a bunch of PWO's to scholarship, but somehow this concept can't be grasped. Also, maybe save spot or two for the transfer portal instead of raiding Appalachian State the week before signing day!
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Re: Here we go again with
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Jan 18, 2024, 3:47 PM
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Yeah we are full when we offer scholarships to low three stars like the safety out of GA and the OL from Danial. While both of these players very well may end up defying the odds and becoming all Americans, reality is they have a much higher chance of barely seeing the field or transferring to an FCS team. Which is where they likely were headed had we not offered.
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This is the crux of the problem....
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Jan 19, 2024, 7:57 AM
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...we keep signing projects, hoping they will turn into Hunter Renfrow.
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Re: Here we go again with
Jan 20, 2024, 8:21 AM
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Lots of players transfer from fcs to div 1 and start
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I am unsure why that safety is being passed by so many programs.
Jan 20, 2024, 8:25 AM
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Played at the GA 6A level and excelled, but still only 3 stars.
But you're right though, either our staff is seeing what no one else sees OR they are grasping at straws to full a quota. Seems to be common place, now that many big names aren't giving us the time of day.
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Re: Here we go again with
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I will hope that one day soon we're in the SEC where scholarship numbers are never a problem, they're kind of like unlimited in the SEC!!!
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Re: Here we go again with
Jan 20, 2024, 8:24 AM
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These schools, bammer uga fsu, get the high end recruit and then turn around to the 3 star schollie kid and pull it. Kid ends up with a problem, transfer or pay to stay. Dabo don't play that game
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Re: Here we go again with
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Jan 18, 2024, 6:01 PM
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A we don’t lose as many to the portal as other schools. We mainly lose kids who have been outrecruited and have no chance at PT. Most of these other schools are losing depth and starters.
B we also don’t process players at least not until they get their degree.
From what I understand UGA has 95
Or 06 on scholarship currently that means they plan on telling 10 or 11 guys they are no longer needed. I don’t know how Kirby looks parents square in the eyes.
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EXACTLY!
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Jan 18, 2024, 6:45 PM
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Stop with this whole we’re at 85 and we can’t offer anyone else. I can name guys we took at the end of the recruiting cycle that we hope to develop… instead we could have used those on guys who could come in and COMPETE (not hold a clipboard)
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 2:47 PM
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David. I agree with you on portal. 2-5 at the positions you mentioned could gave helped.
However, we will all find out first hand next year when we play UGA and FSU which strategy is working.
Dabo has demonstrated with the coaching moves he’s not satisfied and wants to win. If we don’t compete with UGA in game one, I think you will see his strategy become more aggressive or he just leaves CFB.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Or, he waits for the super-conferences to form which will have consistent and established rules that create some semblance of an equal playing field. What is going on right now is akin to the Wild West days and at some point we get our arms around that and it goes away.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 3:53 PM
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Yep. Good point. Something has to give...
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
Jan 20, 2024, 8:32 AM
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Youre assuming that whoever makes these new rules will want a level playing field.
I absolutely despise the nil and all it represents. However, the genie is out and all that. Follow the NFL design and give every team a salary cap and then spread the money to all teams. There's your level playing field.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 2:57 PM
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Since Saban retired, FL. State has gobbled up somewhere between (5-8) Alabama players.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 5:16 PM
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It's a shame that all the time spent on recruiting all those that are jumping ship and leaving the new HC high and dry without any chance of keeping that FB as it was with Saban. The kids and the kids parents should be ashamed of themselves for what they're doing to that program and their fan base. I mean it isn't like they hired an unknown scrub HC like a lot of programs will do just as Clemson thought they were doing with Dabo. The thing about that hire was that they didn't really know how smart and how driven Dabo Swinney actually was at the time he was hired as our HC!!!!
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
Jan 19, 2024, 3:53 PM
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FSU has been lining up players to steal from Bama before Saban retired...it was probably this prospect of theft from a program with deep pockets and no morals that hastened his leaving...FSU is doing this to everyone...our friends in the ACC...Clemson is losing less than most because of stability, loyalty and some things that mean more than winning...how long do you think our last QB would have lasted at FSU or Texas or UF?
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It took guts for you to say we should've looked at QB in the portal
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I agree wholeheartedly. A walk on and an old student teacher are 3rd string. CK ended the year 80th in QBR and we haven't heard a word about CV.
However, as I posted on another thread. Either get used to it or find someone else to cheer for. I don't see Dabo making a miraculous turn around after 3 years of doing nothing.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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There are a few players returning that don't make sense to me:
Tre Williams is entering his 5th year. He good enough to start somewhere else.
Bryn Tucker is entering his 5th year. He's never played.
Zaire Patterson is entering his 4th year. He's never played.
Myles Oliver is entering his 3rd year. He's never played.
Then there are guys that could seek opportunities elsewhere after spring if they don't like where they are at on the depth chart:
Ryan Linthicum
Trent Howard
Sherrod Covil
Robert Gunn
The thing with Clemson is that we just aren't losing that many to the portal. Maybe some spots open up after spring practice. The roster has been a few pieces away (WR, OL, DB) from truly competing for a playoff spot but we never have enough spots available. It's frustrating.
It's looking like this team will suffer the same fate.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 3:36 PM
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We've lost 10. To David Hoods point, couldn't we have used 5-6 of those slots to bring in a QB, Edge, WR, LB and 2 OL?
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 3:58 PM
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How much are you will yo contribute to pay for the players ? David how about you is your wallet open??
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A lot of us would contribute if they actually showed they'd use it to get
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Jan 18, 2024, 4:10 PM
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impact players from the portal. Clemson NIL is getting millions right now and nothing is going toward portal use.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 4:42 PM
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We signed Joe Wilkinson, Mason Wade, Elyjah Thurmon, Watson Young, and CJ Kubah-Taylor really late.
That’s 5 scholarships that could have gone to portal players. We’ll see how each of them turn out.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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To be fair, you should identify the portal players that want to come to Clemson that you would have given those scholarships to. Then see how those turn out.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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OL and QB I think are our biggest need bc with Turner, Brown, Williams, Randall, Stellato, Collins, coming back and should be healthy, and the two true freshman TJ Moore and Bryant Wesco coming in with stardom added to their names, we should be good at WR. O Lineman and another experienced star QB I think are a must have for 2024 team....
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
Jan 18, 2024, 7:37 PM
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Exactly. There are positions that take physical and mental development where it is very rare for a QB to come in and contribute. Examples are QB and OL. When short at those spots it really makes sense to look at developed portal talent.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 4:39 PM
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Since when?
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Did he make an announcement about not returning? I’m confused.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 4:38 PM
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Tucker is not in the portal.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
Jan 18, 2024, 3:16 PM
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2 kickers and 2 punters on scholarship, does any other team do that?
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"How to fix that issue? Ill have more on that later."
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Re: "How to fix that issue? Ill have more on that later."
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I'm guessing we will probably have around 80 scholarships after the Spring Game. Some will see they won't get much playing time and will move on.
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LOL
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Yet ,it's never happened before. Maybe this year will be the Mass Spring Exodus your kind talks about every year year.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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-ACC is weak and we are leaving. Nothing the ACC has done to date has surprised or influenced CLEM. Listen to Dabo--we are in a great spot. ACC is making moves NOT in the best interest of CLEM. And that EXACTLY the way our Admin. sees it too..... I wouldn't bash the SEC too much.....; )
-Changes have occurred and more are coming, but Dabo likes to "ease" into the water so-to-speak. You aren't going to see CLEM make a big wave in the portal until next year IMO. Good thing is we will never have to be like A&M or FSU. Yes, we gotta try harder. Yes, kids gotta like you, but you got to put forth the effort to make yourself attractive. Good thing Dabo is right about HS kids...the VAST majority should be from the HS ranks. Like Mr. Hood, I've been saying for years now all we need is to fill gaps...3-5/year--the gaps that are NOW unavoidable in today's structure. Gone are the days when you can treat a starter perfectly, (no one treats 'em better than Dabo)---and then they bail.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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I hope you are right. I historically hate the SEC because of the arrogance but the ACC is horrible. We’ll have our own SEC Rant board too. Those guys over there are hilarious.
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What's going on now in college football makes the Wild West
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look like Sunday church.
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Re: What's going on now in college football makes the Wild West
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It makes you think with the NCAA doing nothing with the disaster currently happening every day that the SEC and B1G will break away sooner rather than later to bring some kind of sorely needed rules reform. With inaction from the NCAA these two will have no choice but to form their own league.
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We don't have room because
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We gave out fall back Scholies, and took three from Ap. State recruiting class. We also took borderline legacy on OL from Daniel hs.
We no longer are even playing the same roster management as the contenders and it will show on the scoreboards in Atlanta and Tallahassee. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I will be.
I didn't wand Dabo to go to Bama. I wanted him to stay, but it will be more of the same. He is not going to change. He has the accomplishments to stay until he decides to call it quits and he will do it his way for the final 10 to 15 years.
One pundit on espnu radio today said if he were a clemson fan, he'd be beyond angry. I am, but what can you do. It's coach's policy. It is what it is. He's trying to prove a point and he will never be fired, nor should he be.
Just get used to not being a big time program like we were. We backed off on our own.
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Re: We don't have room because
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Re: its why bama didnt come calling***
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Courtesy calling. The AD would have had his house burned down with a Dabo hire and I don't think the moving van would ever arrive in T town. Fan base is about the winning. They want someone that can add to the 18 Natty's and is not interested in someone that wants to buck current trends to make some type of moral statement. With the exodus of players the fan base has conceded 8-4 for next year but the transition could not be avoided. Expectations will ramp up quickly after a full year to recruit.
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Tyson, Gunn, Smith & Venables free up 4 slots
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Make it happen ...
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Best Is The Standard***
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Gunn is an example of Clemson's culture...
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Dabo has a hard and fast rule when it comes to recruiting - "till graduation do we part". That's why Dabo tells the coaching staff they better do their homework and be sure of who they offer a scholarship. Dabo ain't going to kick a player off the team to free up a scholarship based on slow development or in the case of Gunn - missing field goals in a game.
If Clemson football gives a young man out of high school a scholarship - that scholarship remains until he graduates. The only way a scholarship is pulled is for bad behavior and the young man is dismissed from the team. Have no doubt - Dabo's "till graduation do we part" culture is a very strong inducement for HS recruits and their parents to give Clemson serious consideration when we come calling.
Teams like FSU, UGA, and most of the SEC have no problem pulling a scholarship to someone who is a slow developer or isn't a starter. These programs have a mercenary culture and will kick a young man off scholarship, who has otherwise done everything right, in favor of an experienced portal player. They don't really care about the development of their roster because they will simply get rid of a guy and find someone else. The "kids" education and development as an adult is an afterthought to the only thing they really care about - winning at all costs. There is a reason UGA football is among the lowest in APR in college football...
I'm personally proud we don't subscribe to this mercenary culture. We are a developmental program and so long as we have experienced proven coaches (which Dabo did a lot to fix with hiring Luke and Rumph) we can compete with anyone. I'd much rather be a "till graduation do we part" program because it says something about who we are and what we value. It says "we are going to invest in developing you" and that in this age of "all about me NIL deals" we still put a premium on education, getting a degree, and developing kids into men of character.
Even in this age of portal free agency, Dabo's "way" can still win and compete for championships so long as we have the right coaches in place.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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Jan 18, 2024, 9:00 PM
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It's a catch 22 with Dabo. It's not always about winning, which a great strategy for the development of young men and networking...but the fun is in the winning...He's ###### if he does ###### if don't.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
Jan 18, 2024, 9:00 PM
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It's a catch 22 with Dabo. It's not always about winning, which a great strategy for the development of young men and networking...but the fun is in the winning...He's ###### if he does ###### if don't.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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There are wasted scholarships on our team and to name one is Robert Gunnwho is a liability to the team other than being a perpetual kickoff player. Also, it is going to be interesting where Clemson will fit in later in this FSU vs ACC lawsuit.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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I remember a quote from Dabo a while back that he didn't accept excuses from assistants when players don't turn out or are considered busts. He said something like "you recruited him, coach him up and deal with it". I think the biggest issue is that we have missed on several classes in a row on OL and WR. As was mentioned, Clemson loses few players to the portal. The only starter I can think of from last year was Mukuba. If we cut out all of the misses from HS players and maintain this low of transfer numbers I don't think any of us would really have a problem with CDS not using the portal.
I think the Luke hire puts in the right direction for the OL recruiting and hopefully Grisham turned the corner this year recruiting-wise. I still believe he needs to be replaced, but I understand not firing the guy who is bringing in the best two WR recruits we've had in the last 5 to 6 years.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
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No one ever mentions covid. There was an extended period of time when we were not allowed to bring recruits to campus. At the highest levels small things make the difference. The Clemson campus is a main attraction, has been for years, and will remain so.
Go Tigers beat the Dawgs.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
Jan 20, 2024, 3:23 PM
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Interesting take on the lawsuit - as most "objective" legal experts found the amendment a pretty clever move. Especially the part about excluding FSU from participating in ACC affairs during their lawsuit.
This could go on for multiple years, and leave FSU in limbo without any ACC voting power.
The ACC has a pretty savvy legal team, they may not win, but I don't think they are in over their head at all.
I only wish they went after the TV deal in the same way.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
Jan 20, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Appreciate it David.
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Re: TNET: The latest on scholarship numbers, the portal, and FSU's ACC lawsuit
Jan 21, 2024, 12:33 PM
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The real question is does Clemson have the means to compete in the Portal? By and large Portal players are looking for NIL and a guaranteed starting position.
The lawsuit is about Contract Law. The ACC is not scrambling nor is it in over its head. Their legal responses so far are basically standard procedure. FSU is suing to break a contract.
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