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TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Not even going to go there...next article.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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That sounds exactly like all the talk that he was talking right before 8pm Monday night!!!
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Clemson look like a deer in head lights Monday night they are soft now I think a couple thing need to happen need to be more physical on the field make teams don't want to play you,{like alabma} make play calling more better,QB need to improve tremendously {this player no better than DJ}we need some reciver speed please someone need to get open,and when you have a team down keep them down.GO TIGERS
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Love the Tigers. Always have and always will, but this headline is propaganda and feels ridiculous.
I admit I didn't read the story or hear what CK said but the talent and depth is not there to do anything historic. I believe every game on the sked is still winnable but this is Clemson circa 2001-2009, good but not great.
Looking like 7-8 wins and maybe state champs and a decent bowl game. That's on the wrong side of our recent history.
That being said I will still be in the stadium to watch us beat the brakes off CSU.
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Re: Klubnik article (Dabos comments) not just a puff piece
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Despite the headline, this article isn’t just another Dabo puff piece.
You should read the article, pay special attention to Dabo’s critiques of Klubnik.
Aside from the usual compliments, Dabo was unusually blunt about facets where Klubnik is capable of improving, along with specific examples of CK2’s shortcomings on Monday night.
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Re: Klubnik article (Dabos comments) not just a puff piece
Sep 6, 2023, 2:29 PM
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......somehow Dabo never mentioned all the negative QB play in his press conferences the past 2 years. Interesting. I guess he's trying to run CK2 out of town, too.
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Re: Klubnik article (Dabos comments) not just a puff piece
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Klubnik isn't as soft as many here are implying. He can take the heat and will respond positively.
Cade recruited Clemson, not the other way around. He wants to win championships and he wants to do it in Clemson for Dabo Swinney. This guy is a winner and he will continue to be that for us.
Look for him to have a post-Ole Miss-Tebow level of accountability and leadership the rest of the way. The only question I have is if his shoulders can be as big as Tim's were the rest of that season - he put that team on his back.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Then Dabo, leave your play sheet in the office& let RILEY do his thing. I’ll take my chances with the RILEY offense over the Clemson offense.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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I'm sure that Dabo picked up the wrong play sheet off his desk, and I know this is what had to of happened bc those plays looked exactly like they came from last years playbook. So, he made a mistake with picking up the wrong play sheet, but he also made mistakes with hiring coaches to do jobs that they didn't have much or any experience with coaching....
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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It's the hires. Dabo knocked it out of the park with his first round of hires, and they had longevity, but then since Scott, Eliot, and Venebles left, and other pisition groups left or retired he did not reload the coaching staff. Those are decisions that don't show up overnight but reveal themselves over a few years as the players simply aren't developing.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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I thought it was already clarified that Dabo just had a Waffle House menu and was trying to discern what to order for the team to prevent players like Ruke from being hangry about the 5am return time
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 2:30 PM
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Don’t fall for the oft repeated narrative that, because Dabo holds a plastic encased sheet and talks into his headphone, Dabo is calling the plays.
With each play (including before the play is called), there are personnel decisions (that include input from the box) that need to be determined. These personnel decisions include how to take advantage of the opposing team’s personnel adjustments, and whether a defender got dinged up but was not taken out of the game (i.e., an exploitable matchup situation).
This isn’t some video game.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Sep 6, 2023, 7:09 AM
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All talk no results. Just focus on handing the ball off successfully.
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You have to love this kid. He is got the right attitude
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…NO WAY I denigrate his enthusiasm for the rest of the season.
Cade is a CDS-positivity-product, and I have GREAT respect for that.
Having said all of that, so much was BROKEN in that first game on Monday night. This feels like a guy showing up in a suit and tie to participate in a UFC event, thinking that UFC stood for Ultimate FORMAL Club.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Children are being taught early on in this "name it and claim it" world, that if they visualize something, then it will become reality and that a positive outcome begins with a positive thought. As is usually the case, there is a grain of truth in this philosophy. However, Much of the delusional behavior we see today is a direct result of this philosophy. Boys believing they are girls, poor kids believing they are entitled to be rich, the mentally ill being lauded as being normal. There is nothing wrong with having a positive outlook on life and it is necessary for success in business, sports and life in general. Not naming names here, but it seems some folks have crossed some boundary somehow and stepped from the world of positive thinking over into the realm of delusional thinking. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.
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Imagine reading an article about Cade thinking we will have a good season
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And comparing it to boys wanting to be girls.
If I thought about sex changes that much I wouldn’t admit it that easily.
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Idiots are going to idiot
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And TNet has a plethora
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Re: Idiots are going to idiot
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:07 AM [ in reply to Imagine reading an article about Cade thinking we will have a good season ]
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And TNet has a plethora
and you are at the top of the class. congrats.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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The next step after the positive thought = hard work. It’s great to want to be a famous singer, but you better get rude toil in anonymity for a decade. My dream was to run a successful business. I did it after working my keister off for 10 years. The power of positive thought absolutely works, but you better follow it with relentless determination.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Wow... lol... imagine thinking that rich kids deserve to be rich and entitled and that poor kids deserve to remain poor their whole life. You lost me with that rant there. People that work hard deserve to not live in poverty, and those rich kids that get handouts need not run our society.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Wow... lol... imagine thinking that rich kids deserve to be rich and entitled and that poor kids deserve to remain poor their whole life. You lost me with that rant there. People that work hard deserve to not live in poverty, and those rich kids that get handouts need not run our society.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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He only lost you with his "rant" because you struggle with reading comprehension. He said no one is entitled to be rich. You have to earn it. No, just because someone works hard, doesn't mean they should be rich. Rich equals hard work and talent.
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Um, I believe you yourself have moved to the delusional.
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Might want to re-read this and think a little thinking about your comment on Cade's comment, who's a sophomore trying to figure out how to be a good football player while you compare it to the trans, economic mobility issues and mental illness issues in society — "but it seems some folks have crossed some boundary somehow and stepped from the world of positive thinking over into the realm of delusional thinking. Hard to tell the difference sometimes."
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Re: Um, I believe you yourself have moved to the delusional.
Sep 6, 2023, 3:37 PM
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Thanks for pushing back on hate and intolerance.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Lol Cade.... did you watch the film?
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Lol Cade.... did you watch the film?
If he did he would have seen where he could have easily had three more picks with batted and dropped balls. Maybe he means historically bad?
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Hey, can I ask all you incredibly pessimistic so called Tiger Fans, what the heck you think the leader of our offense and one of the leaders of our team, is supposed to say!?? Should he say “I suck, we suck, we should give all up now!!!???
I became a Clemson fan 15 years ago when my son got accepted, bought season tickets and really got into it. I love Dabo, in spite of a little stubbornness, love the guys we recruit and are constantly, year after year, extremely proud of these guys!
Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves! I actually believe we can turn this around. Bad start against a surprisingly good team, a couple easy games to relax and play better, ready for FSU and who knows!!! I’m glad Cade believes and it would probably be nice if the rest of you would. I do!
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 2:37 PM
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I agree with you, given the context that kids are prone to using hyperbolic cliches in their intention to provide positive leadership to the other young people (e.g., alll of them) on the team.
CK2 isn’t a polished public speaker. He’s doing his best to be inspirational to his teammates. His statements do not represent some crisis of delusion.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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So the kid should get NIL money and professional branding services, but not take heat for three consecutive loses as the "team leader"? Its a new day my friend. These aren't college kids anymore. Think young professionals who need to perform or be shown the door. If Dabo keeps allowing them to have it both ways he is not acting in the players or Clemson's best interests.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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I do enjoy the positivity from Cade and Dabo, but let's have positivity about one game at a time. I've had a bad feeling about this group since I started hearing over the summer they were talking about National Championship. They need to return the focus to one game at a time. If you win one game at a time, the championship opportunity will come. If you miss the rocks because all you focus on is the top of the mountain, you will fall on your ###.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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This is exactly right. Dabo used to only talk about the next game. Now they’re trying to skip straight to the playoff.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Dabo isn’t talking about skipping the next 11 games and going straight to the ACC championship.
That is CK2’s talk.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Run to the mayo bowl at this rate
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One good thing about the FSU game coming up
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It is a golden opportunity for the team to redeem themselves. If the Tigers beat FSU, all will be forgiven. I don't see it happening, but I will at least keep an open mind.
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Talk about the need for a perfect game.***
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I think the youngsters call
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this "manifesting" or something. Just thinking about something, wishing and hoping and somehow it will come true.
Unicorns and Rainbows for everyone.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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I’ve got a historic case of the runs
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You told us that before you lost to Duke
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Stop fumbling the ####### football.
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He is right. Don't listen to the cynics - they don't achieve
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greatness, not because they can’t, but because they don’t believe.
The cowards never start, the weak minded give up along the way, the strong in mind and body persevere.
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This team isn't acheiving anything until Goodwin
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and Grisham are replaced with competent coaches.
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Re: This team isn't acheiving anything until Goodwin
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Re: This team isn't acheiving anything until Goodwin
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Goodwin’s Defense is soft and slow.
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Re: This team isn't acheiving anything until Goodwin
Sep 6, 2023, 2:41 PM
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You don’t understand football, then.
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That's because they were playing Duke.
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Duke still sucks. Where's the fire in our defense? That's coaching. Why were players out of position and not setting the edge or getting a pass rush?
Goodwin wouldn't be a d coordinator at any other D1 school. But, he's Dabo's friend and that means gainful employment.
It also means a lot more losses coming up.
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Re: That's because they were playing Duke.
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Goodwin is on the chopping block. Much less development than we were getting under Coach V. I think he makes fine defensive calls, but so much more goes into running a college defense than that. I expect a change there in the near future.
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Re: That's because they were playing Duke.
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Duke is among the group of likely-to-be-second-place teams in the ACC this year.
UNC, NCSU, and Miami are in that ‘contender for 2nd place team’ group.
I know … if if if … but here it is:
Without our mismanagement of the 3 deep in the red zone opportunities in Q3 and early Q4 -&- without the horrendous FG performance, we bear Duke by anything between 4 and 8 points. And that takes into account our overall mediocre play throughout H1.
Duke is a legitimate good team. If CK2 plays better (he doesn’t have to be great, just need him to be a better game manager), then we will have another good season. If he doesn’t get past the mistakes that we’ve seen of him during TN and Duke games, then we will probably lose another 4 games (not counting the bowl game).
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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I actually believe it could happen as well. It will take a different offensive play calling plan though. Our opponents just crowd the line, eve with their DBs. They know our whole offensive world is 8 yards max.
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Id prefer Cade and Dabo
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…BOTH quit running their mouths.
It’s time to put up or shut up. They **** the bed against Tennessee and Duke. There has been no change since Ukelele left and if Swinney is the one calling these garbage plays then he’s either doing it because:
1. We don’t have the personnel that his former players have recruited, that can handle Duke (ffs)
2. There is absolutely NO drive in any of the coaches to succeed. More of this “champions in life” bs.
3. Dabo got paid and is now fat and content. Post Duke game interview, the man looked tired, not pissed off that they got nationally embarrassed.
We’ve fired mediocre coaches and replaced them with former students who can’t recruit or develops. This is a fact.
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Re: Id prefer Cade and Dabo
Sep 6, 2023, 2:56 PM
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Your definition of fact is simply what your imagination wants it to be.
Re-read what you had just written and then think just a tiny bit. Only then will you recognize the difference between opinion and fact.
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The proof is in the pudding, young Jedi. Your light sabre
Sep 6, 2023, 8:27 AM
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was badly bent and not working the last time out. Fix it, you can. But, will you?
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Lol lol lol lol Cade needs to stop with
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The drinking of Dabo kool-aid! That’s hilarious.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:28 AM
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Very troubling statement. They need to focus on the next game, not some sweeping goal. I think Dani’s message of “win the next game” has gotten diluted or lost over the years.
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Klubnik says hes going to step up in the pocket and run left
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:33 AM
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When our left tackle pushes the edge rusher 10 yards deep up field ? No doubt hard for a young QB to do.
I think opposing defenses will apply a lot of left side pressure including blitzes until we scheme better AND CK learns to make them pay _ via running through open gap or stepping up / drifting left and hitting some downfield passes.
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I admire a positive attitude, but
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There seems to be a major disconnect between what the players and coaches have been saying and the reality of what we all just observed. I wish it made me feel better, but somehow it just feels creepy, almost cult-like delusional. To quote Slim Pickens' Blazing Saddles character, "What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here?!" Cut the spin. Time for some straight talk. Go Tigers!
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Re: I admire a positive attitude, but
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Unfortunately, my thoughts exactly.
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Those are some really stupid comments ...
Sep 6, 2023, 10:11 AM
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that's the kind of attitude you need to have behind the scenes, but it's pointless and sounds tone deaf when aired publically in this context. For now, just milk the clandestine tactics of apparent low expectations and discouragement. Let everyone think you feel down and out and disoriented, and then hope to surprise them. Don't broadcast to Florida State that you're going to bear down and attempt to do "historic" things. Let them think you're befuddled.
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Re: Those are some really stupid comments ...
Sep 6, 2023, 2:58 PM
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He’s just a kid. Give him a break.
BTW, Dabo’s comments are not just sunshine pumping. He provided exp,icit criticisms of CK2’s play without blasting him.
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Re: Those are some really stupid comments ...
Sep 6, 2023, 3:58 PM
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They are not kids anymore when they start taking NIL money and professional branding services. They are young business men who need to own their performances, improve or get fired.
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Re: I admire a positive attitude, but
Sep 6, 2023, 4:00 PM
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I am just waiting for the #6 dance at the end of the season when we come a riding into town!
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:38 AM
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It's up to coaching. The talent is there. It's all coaching and schemes. It's that simple.....or not simple at all.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 3:01 PM
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The talent may be there at QB, but the QB’s lack of situational awareness is something that he knows not to do … but does it anyways.
That he does the same mistakes under the tutelage of two different QB coaches / O-coordinators reflect an issue with the student as opposed to the teacher(s).
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:38 AM
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Well that was certainly a historic L we took on Monday
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:48 AM
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Offense needs to be consistent, Defense needs to know how to tackle, Coaches need to earn their money and 50+ points need to be put on CSU Saturday. If not then the hope for Tiger football will be like it once was is to have at least a winning season, beat your in state rival and win a bowl game. If “Best is the Standard” and that’s what everyone saw last Monday night then it’s going to be a long long season. It’s time to put up or shut up. Own it, win or lose.
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This can be a sweet story
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:59 AM
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That pretty much sums up the problem. There is no “sweet” in football.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 9:10 AM
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If a 2 game winning streak the next 2 weeks is historic, then I will bite. Then comes FSU, and well, not so sure anymore. Its sad, before the Duke game I was all pumped for this year, now like many others I have my doubts and wonder if we are stumbling to an 8-4 or 7-5 season...
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I'm just here for the comments
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:12 AM
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:35 AM
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I really hate to make this simple reply but here goes:
SEEING IS BELIEVING!
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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What are the OL players doing to correct their problems?
I'll wait.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 3:06 PM
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OL played well … not perfect, but more than just well enough to win … on Monday night.
Run blocking was very good.
Pass blocking was good. BTW, very good pass protection is when the QB gets 4+ seconds before the defense gets to the QB in non-blitz situations. In blitz situations, the QB must hit his hot route in 2 seconds max. For the large majority of snaps, our OL succeeded in pass protection.
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Talk to Me in 8 Weeks Bucko***
Sep 6, 2023, 9:53 AM
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Re: Talk to Me in 8 Weeks Bucko***
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The fact is after watching the first half again....Duke is a much improved football team. Yes, historically speaking, they are a basketball school. I have heard a lot that from some of my UGA brethren. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Before I watch the 2nd half again this evening, I would like to say that whatever could have gone wrong, did indeed go wrong. The term snake bit comes to mind. Just like we were snake bit 2 years ago with injuries. Fortunately, the oopsie snake is easier to come back from than the injury variety. Look at the stats, and it is easy to see that the score did not reflect our numbers. I will have more to say after I watch and anal-eyes the 2nd half, but I will say this now-
Bring the receivers in closer to the interior. The sideline is an additional defender.
Our entire receiver group needs to study Hunter Renfroe game film on how to run an effective route. We don't have burners so we have to deceive the defense and hunter was splendid at this.
Running backs need to look for the openings when they get past the front line instead of trying to run over defenders. Gaps were there.
Offensive line needs to verify who is blocking who. Rarely do you see them point at the defender they will pick up. Am I too old and dated when I say this? Is it not "cool" to do this anymore? Dallas cowboys did it for an eternity.
Special teams linemen need to block the unobstructed end instead of waving at him when goes sprinting by. Check out the first block kick if you don't believe me.
Defensive linemen were stagnant. No pre-snap movement, shifting, changing places. No post-snap stunts to speak of. On more than 1 occasion I saw Woods do a 360 to get away from his blocker. Although I applaud his effort, once his spin was done he ended up well outside of the interior, and the running back and quarterback shot through the vacated gap left behind.
The linebackers we have heard so much about were playing so far back that they gave up big chunks of yards to the aforementioned gap runners.
The secondary played pretty good from what I have seen. I will say that in the 2nd half they were wwwwaaaaay to far off their assignments in short and mid yardage 3rd downs. Giving up 6 or 7 on a 3rd and 5 killed us and we were willingly giving that up for some unknown reason. Like we were playing prevent????
And for Mr. Gunn- he has to work on his timing and angle obviously. Too much time between the snap and contact of the kick allowed ample time for the aforementioned unblocked end to get to his foot. The angle was right if he was attempting a 68 yarder (like the one that was pondered just before half). A chip shot is just that...use the chipping wedge instead of the old clanky driver from "The Legend of Bagger Vance".
I don't have anything to say about CK at this juncture. Rest assured you CK haters and DJ lovers, after I watch the 2nd half again, I will amend my thoughts to include some criticism of our QB.
Thank you for your time and patience. Enjoy the rest of your day Tiger nation.
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Re: Talk to Me in 8 Weeks Bucko***
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Sep 6, 2023, 2:24 PM
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Can’t wait for you to watch the 2nd half…..👍🏼
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Re: Talk to Me in 8 Weeks Bucko***
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Excellent analysis.
Looking forward to your 2nd half commentary. Especially OL performance in pass protection, offense schemes to not get slaughtered by blitzes (i.e., the area where Brandon Streeter was at his worst), and DE + P.Woods performance.
(I applaud your bravery to challenge those over excited fans about Peter Woods as being the greatest D-Lineman ever. His poor work in holding his gap reflected a guy who does not yet know what to do. That said, P.Woods’ ability is just wow!)
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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At least he didn't say "Never Again"
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 10:17 AM
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I wish he had said ‘one game at a time’ instead of predicting post season accolades.
Coaches need to get him refocused on the here and now.
That said, he’s young and has the ability to learn.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 12:29 PM
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Did all of you fans that are complaining about the way he said it, say all summer “let’s go beat Duke”? That’s it, that’s all you were thinking about!? Nope, most of you said “let’s go win it all”!
The players are naturally saying the same thing. I’m ok with that.
So sorry they can’t please so many of you!
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I think most Clemson fans are immune to words now.
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Sep 6, 2023, 10:23 AM
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We need to see it on the field. That Duke game was more than a letdown. It was more than bad luck. It was bad luck during a letdown that exposed a flawed program.
I have been a huge advocate for our program being in good shape. I have been steadfast over the last two years that the program was in good hands and there were reasons to not hit the panic button.
But I know football. I've seen Clemson play from Danny Ford, to Ken Hatfield, to Tommy West, to Tommy Bowden, to Dabo. I know the option, the I formation, the mad scientist, Chad Morris, 63-17, 0-30 vs UGA... I've seen a lot of Clemson football. 3-8 in 1998 to 15-0 in 2018.
Dabo is greatest football coach Clemson has ever had (except maybe Heisman) and I respect him and am thankful that we have him. Without him, we wouldn't have such high expectations these days. I will not let disappointment corrupt my perspective that Clemson is eternally lucky to have Dabo build our program.
Having said all that, the Duke game was unmistakable proof that our program was not being led properly. It is clear that some kind of decay or rot or infection took place.
It's not that we lost. I didn't say this after the last two years. It's not even that we lost to Duke. I can accept Duke may instantly be a top-15 team this year. (Not convinced, I'm just saying I can fathom it) It is HOW we lost and HOW we looked during the loss.
The biggest shock to me wasn't the turnovers. It wasn't only scoring 7 points. Those were shocking. The biggest shock was how SOFT and LOST and SLOPPY our defense looked, despite the elite talent. It looked like a little league team with coaches who don't take it seriously.
Even in 1998, when we went 3-8, with a much less talented defense.... we tackled better than that. We didn't look so SOFT. Yeah we were beaten by better teams often. Yeah we were overmatched and out-coached then too. But the defense didn't look like it had NO leader. Our defense right now lacks leadership. Venables spoiled us maybe.... but that display against Duke wasn't just a gaffe or a letdown. It was Lord of the Flies. It was Lieutenant Dyke leading Easy company into Foy. It was a Tiger with its head cut off.
We lack defensive leadership. Unfortunately, I'm convinced this will be increasingly obvious to everyone as the season progresses, unfortunately.
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Re: I think most Clemson fans are immune to words now.
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I agree... Prior to BV coming on Dabo wouldn't let them hit in practice. BV put a stop to that. Looking at the team I wonder if the practices aren't becoming touch football again???
Additionally, I have always believed that a team reflect its leadership... never more true looking at the difference between our BV defenses and our Jonah Hill defense.
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I agree completely.***
Sep 6, 2023, 2:31 PM
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Re: I think most Clemson fans are immune to words now.
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Sep 6, 2023, 3:53 PM
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You nailed it. I have seen some practices. It is half speed, touch football and you perfectly stated what happens when you do that.
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Re: I think most Clemson fans are immune to words now.
Sep 6, 2023, 3:41 PM
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Kinda sad. You talk big about knowing FB, having watched Clemson FB for decades. (Good for you … sincerely … that you watched so much Clemson FB.)
The Duke game was embarrassing for many of us because of the final score. Duke’s last TD was meaningless. 28 - 7 just ‘feels’ worse than 21 - 7. Opposing fans rag us worse because it was 28 instead of 21. Forget that. How did they get to 21? That was the nail in our … but only because we fumbled away a TD at the Duke 1 yard line on 1st down.
Despite the comedy of errors by us prior to the fumble, by any reasonable probability we would have, at worst, gotten a FG on what would have been the same as a PAT on that drive. Thus, the score would have been … at worst … 13 - 10 Duke being up. More likely, we would have made a TD, especially since our run blocking had established dominance in H2. In that case, the score would be 17 - 13 Clemson being up.
Instead of Duke having great field position after the Clemson fumble, they would have started on their 25 yard line after the KO touchback.
In other words, an entirely different ball game … even going with the two other deep-in-the-red-zone whiffs in 3rd Qtr.
Even if Duke drives the field and gets a TD and succeeds with 2 pt conversion, then the score is either 21 - 17 or 21 - 13. In other words, a one possession game in which we have the ball, all three time outs, and don’t have to throw it on every down.
The Phil Mafah fumble was one of those fluke fumbles when the defender’s helmet strikes the ball. Sure, these happen on occasion, but do not represent sloppy ball security, ‘weakness’ or ‘softness,’ or bad play calling.
(*). This game was far closer … despite Clemson’s litany of mistakes … than what those opposing fans who are ragging us are teasing us about.
BTW, our defense stoned Duke’s downfield passing game. Their biggest pass plays were on busted coverage on short passes (where our LB didn’t do his job) and on one screen pass where our D-Line lost contain. At least one of their bigger RB gains was when Peter Woods didn’t manage his gap control and instead gambled on making a spectacular play (Woods got schooled big time on this one). Being ‘soft’ was hardly an endemic problem for our D. The huge whiff by B.Carter (XT also contributed towards that whiff) when the big strong Riley Leonard slipped out of a sack and ran 44 yards for a TD early in Q3 was the closest thing that could be called as being ‘soft.’ This wasn’t an endemic problem. Better tackling technique? Sure, we need that. But soft? Nah.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Let's start by trying to win the next 2 scrimmage games and go from there...
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 10:27 AM
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I'm OK with happy talk as long as it delivers happy results...
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 10:38 AM
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You know what you never see at Alabama or Ohio State, two of our main competitors for recruits? A start like the disaster at Duke. Those teams have bad games, or occasionally get upset by teams just having a better day. But they never, ever, start a season like we just did. Or finish a season like we did against Tennessee in the Orange Bowl last year. Give Dabo credit: He hired Garrett Riley. Now he needs to tell him, “The offense is yours. Going forward, replace any coach you want to replace, use the Portal—whatever it takes to fix it.” Unfortunately, Wide Reciever U has not had a future NFL reciever since Higgins left and Ross was recovering from a congential medical condition. Our receivers would be stars at Furman or App State, but they are not talented enough for the elite level. That is what is going to make Reilly’s fix-it job very difficult in the short run. He had better players at TCU, so watching our players in practice must have been a shock. Dabo could tell Goodwin the same thihg he needs to tell Riley, but unfortunately, Nice Guy Goodwin is not going to revamp his staff or use the Portal. He is in over his head. How can you not have any sacks against Duke? Duke’s QB had all day to make plays. Eerily similar to the freedom the Tennessee QB (a backup) had in the Orange Bowl.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 1:49 PM
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Uh.....44-16.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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So you are telling us that Clemson isn’t the in the same level of the stratosphere as Alabama or Ohio State? (Might as well include UGA in that mix.)
Darn, I thought we were the undisputed best program.
(*). These three programs are the only ones in CFB’s recent times that are arguably better than Clemson. I guess that deficiency means that we should burn down the house.
Gheesh!
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Talk is cheap...
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I want to see positive results for the rest of the season! Time for the Tigers to put up or shut up!
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My buddy is a big time gambler
Sep 6, 2023, 10:52 AM
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makes a living doing it, and he is convinced someone took a bribe.
I do not gamble, but it honestly makes sense. Or Cade just could have put 100k on them to lose with some NIL money. CFB has lost its innocence.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Plain and simple the players need to stop talking and just perform on the field. Take it 1 game at a time and stop talking about 14 games.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 11:23 AM
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Great teams win in spite of their "miscues".
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 3:06 PM
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Great teams don't have that many miscues in that many areas in 1 game and win. Hard to overcome a perfect Storm of poor execution.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 11:23 AM
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YES!!!
3 Consecutive Nattys! 🏆🏆🏆
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Wake me in 3 weeks...***
Sep 6, 2023, 11:28 AM
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 11:54 AM
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That’s what I’m talking about….RESPOND!
Go Tigers!
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how***
Sep 6, 2023, 12:16 PM
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 12:26 PM
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We need a quarterback Klubnik is terrified and it is not going to change and the offense...if you can call it an offense...was pedestrian at best and I'm being nice.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 3:59 PM
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At long last Clemson Nation has woken up and recognizes that CK2 is not the hero of Clemson’s fan boy fantasy.
CK2 has some physical limitations that will preclude him from being a Taj Boyd, Charlie Whitehurst, DeShaun Watson, or T.Lawrence. He is not a ‘big gun’ QB that can make us a deep shot threat on a regular basis. We saw his downfield throwing limitations in his games against Syracuse and TN.
He can become a highly effective game manager in our current Mike Leach-esque short / quick passing attack. He can learn the situational awareness that is necessary for him (and us) to be consistent winners again.
He might need the entirety of the 2023 season to get there. If he doesn’t, then we’ll cast our lot with Vizzina for the 2024 season.
I’m betting that CK2 will improve significantly over the course of 2023, and that we’ll have a chance to win 10 games again. In other words, he’ll probably lead us to a successful season.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Sep 6, 2023, 12:41 PM
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TigerNet, you should be ashamed to even publish this garbage.
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we need one of those tebow speeches.***
Sep 6, 2023, 3:45 PM
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Sep 6, 2023, 3:54 PM
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I prefer my QB to do his talking on the field. You can't be critical and unforgiving of players on other teams and then hold your guy to different standard. It doesn't work that way.
Calm down young buck and let your playing do your talking. You can thank me later
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 6, 2023, 4:09 PM
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It is absolutely amazing to me how many posters on this board are willing to settle for Clemsron returning to mediocrity.
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ITHINK WE WON LIKE 6 GAMES IN 1980
Sep 6, 2023, 6:18 PM
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then we ran the table for the Natty in 81`. Some of us around back then saw the potential in the 1980 tteam. I'm hoping I'm seeing potential that doesn't wait a year. It can be done. Anyone know the name of our 1980 OC? Yeah-me neither-had to look it up
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Re: ITHINK WE WON LIKE 6 GAMES IN 1980
Sep 6, 2023, 7:03 PM
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DJ was so bad for two years that he had to play one more year—for somebody—because otherwise, no NFL team would waste a pick on him. However, it is quite possible that he could have a huge year with Oregon State, and with his size and his arm, he could actually go high in the next draft. Never would have happened if he had stayed at Slow Receivers U. One other thing: We should probably NOT consider joining the SEC just yet. We lost to ACC team Duke, and it is quite possible we will lose to ACC teams Florida State and North Carolina. We’d get crushed by half the teams in the SEC—and we might lose this year to SEC team South Carolina if we play like we did in Durham.
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
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Sep 6, 2023, 8:10 PM
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Won’t believe any more of this nonsense until I see play backing it up
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Re: TNET: Klubnik believes the Tigers are about to go on a historic run
Sep 9, 2023, 9:42 AM
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Thing is that historic run has only an up hill or a down hill finish!
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Seems a little Jake Bentleyish to me.***
Sep 9, 2023, 11:13 AM
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