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The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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I know he has his reasons, and I trust he knows what he is doing, but dang I have heard 2 different national pundits bust on him saying that’s one of reasons he wouldn’t be a good fit at Bama because he hasn’t been willing to change his ways and adapt.
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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Jan 11, 2024, 9:03 AM
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Sport talk radio in Atlanta… Both stations literally said the same thing… That Bama doesn’t want a coach who is too stubborn to use the available tools
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I feel the same way.
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It's maddening that we pay him $11 million a year and he refuses to use a legal and potentially successful avenue to improve our roster.
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Re: I feel the same way.
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Thanks 85%. Please block me and make my day. I will thumb down every post until you do. Thanks in advance 🤡
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Re: I feel the same way.
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Jan 11, 2024, 12:22 PM
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Thanks 85%. Please block me and make my day. I will thumb down every post until you do. Thanks in advance 🤡
I actually gave him a thumbs up for what he just posted. He is spot on with that comment.
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So you have a personal agenda to reflexively thumb down all of my posts
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Jan 11, 2024, 12:25 PM
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You know that's against board rules, right?
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Re: So you have a personal agenda to reflexively thumb down all of my posts
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Jan 11, 2024, 5:22 PM
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I did as well so 2 is more than 1. Spot on.
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Re: I feel the same way.
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Jan 11, 2024, 5:28 PM
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So when you look at the portal 90% are about self not team! One superstar that is about money or self can be a cancer to a great program!
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Re: I feel the same way.
Jan 11, 2024, 6:30 PM
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If our culture is as strong as you and many believe it to be then it won’t.
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Re: I feel the same way.
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Jan 11, 2024, 9:58 AM
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I’ve got an idea. Since you’re so much smarter and more savvy than Dabo about these things, why don’t you go coach Bama?
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I have no business coaching Alabama or anyone else.
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Jan 11, 2024, 12:26 PM
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But despite that, I am still able to see how ludicrous it is for Dabo to not use the portal to add talent and experience to a roster that clearly needs it.
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Re: I have no business coaching Alabama or anyone else.
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:36 PM
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Didn't we portal a few guys this year? It's not just about adding guys. There has to be scholarships. And if Dabo and crew graded our guys better than the "potential" portal guys than who are we to say he's wrong? The man built a juggernaut with staying power. I think he knows what he's doing. Plus Clemson culture is no place for portal thugs who post pics of bags of weed and guns and show up to signing day in Lamborghinis. Its just not symbiotic to Clemson Football.
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Re: I have no business coaching Alabama or anyone else.
Jan 11, 2024, 5:24 PM
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Linkup, Williams and the ostarine cowboys say hello and hold my beer.
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Re: I have no business coaching Alabama or anyone else.
Jan 11, 2024, 6:26 PM
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Schools are skirting scholarships now using NIL$ to pay for school. Estimates that Texas had well over 100 players getting full ride thanks to NIL. The game is broken. I don’t want to see us get into this gross perversion that has ruined the game. Rules and limitations need to come sooner than later. If not, it’s just going to get worse.
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Re: I feel the same way.
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Jan 11, 2024, 6:31 PM
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Take the blinders off. He made a statement the most obvious person in the world could make. Not using a competitive advantage puts your team at a disadvantage. It’s a very easy concept
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Re: I feel the same way.
Jan 11, 2024, 6:10 PM
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Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s ethical….
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Re: I feel the same way.
Jan 11, 2024, 6:33 PM
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What’s unethical about giving 18-22 year olds another opportunity? “They’re doing it for the money.” What you do if you were offered a starting spot and significantly more money at another school if you were that age? I feel very confident your answer would’ve been a strong “hit the portal”
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There are a few significant assumptions you are making.
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Jan 11, 2024, 12:57 PM
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And I think they are dangerous.
The first is that most players in the portal are looking for the highest bidder. There is no basis for this.
The second is that Clemson has nothing to offer in terms of NIL. We have proven that our players can get significant NIL deals.
As I've said before, I know it is soothing to portray every player in the portal as money hungry, and every coach who uses the portal as unethical, in an effort to prop up our program as one which is more wholesome and a poor victim of the current environment in college football. This also makes it an easier pill to swallow when we don't use the transfer portal, and thus a ready-made excuse when we lose.
"Oh well, I guess they didn't come here because they were about the money and we wouldn't/couldn't pay for their services."
"We lost, but at least Dabo does things the right way."
Etc.
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Re: There are a few significant assumptions you are making.
Jan 11, 2024, 4:53 PM
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Why would Dabo want to recruit, spending $millions, just to tell ~15% you have to leave so we can get better players from the portal when there's no guarantee they'll bring more in the long run? That is totally against what he stands for.
When the days of an extra COVID year and 6 year seniors is over, there won't be all this extra experience hitting the portal.
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Re: There are a few significant assumptions you are making.
Jan 11, 2024, 5:01 PM
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I don’t believe every player in the portal is money hungry, but all the ones who would make an impact are. Otherwise they would stay in the spot they are already having success.
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Just 2???
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Jan 11, 2024, 9:04 AM
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It's everywhere you look. And it makes no sense at all.
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Re: Just 2???
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Jan 11, 2024, 9:46 AM
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How does it not make any sense? It's the truth when it comes to "buying" a player of need. Sure we have tried to use the portal but not in the way MOST are using it to improve today.
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Why doesn't it make sense to you that Dabo is being criticized
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for not using the transfer portal?
It's true, he doesn't use it, and has gone on record saying that he prefers not to.
Until he actually uses it to improve our roster, the criticism is warranted.
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Good, get the News out to ALL high school recruits.
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Line em up.
YOU People fail to realize, IT'S A GOOD THING>
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It's good thing for the roster to get younger and more inexperienced
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Jan 11, 2024, 9:21 AM
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every single year?
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Re: It's good thing for the roster to get younger and more inexperienced
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Once it is realized that teams using the portal could care less about developing kids into young men, developing them into better football players, and providing them with life skills and networking that will help them beyond football. The top HS recruits will be coming here....Yes we will lose some players to the portal still when this happens but if Dabo stays the course and shows he is commited to the above, there will be other top HS recruits that will want to come. Now if we become a USuC or an FSU that turns over half their team every year, then Dabo would have to consider changing his philosophy. But, we are different and don't HAVE to use the portal...yet
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You think HS kids are going to care about
Jan 11, 2024, 9:54 AM
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"developing kids into young men, developing them into better football players, and providing them with life skills and networking that will help them beyond football."????
If that were the case Princeton would still be dominating recruiting.
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Re: You think HS kids are going to care about
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Don’t knock Princeton. If Jeff Bezos wanted them to be the best team in the country, by today’s rules or lack thereof, he could make it happen. Also Albert Einstein was there
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Re: You think HS kids are going to care about
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I absolutely believe that. In fact, I believe that is why players like TL16, DW4, Wilkins, Higgins, etc came to Clemson. Our recruiting took a hit once we couldn't get players on campus due to COVID. Both in them wanting to come, and in our ability to scout them in person. I think now that this is behind us, we are starting to see more and more high ranked recruits interested in us now that they have been able to come and see what we offer. There will still be those that are solely driven by money that will not be interested in Clemson. But those types weren't really interested before either.
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Re: It's good thing for the roster to get younger and more inexperienced
Jan 11, 2024, 6:52 PM
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When was the last time we won “7 or 8” games?
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Re: Is that why our high school recruiting has been so much better lately?
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This post is exactly why you get so much c r a p thrown your way when the basketball team underperforms. Football fans treating you the same way you treat the football program and coach. If you want to give it you better be prepared to get it.
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So let me get this straight.
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Another poster claimed that Dabo's strategy of not using the portal is good for high school recruiting.
I reminded him that our high school recruiting has gotten worse, not better, since the current version of the transfer portal was implemented several years ago (and Dabo went out of his way to criticize, I might add).
And then you take offense?
This is when I feel that this place has lost its mind. You don't like my opinion, so you criticize me and call me a troll.
My opinion, which is actually supported with data and not just hopes and dreams, is warranted at this point. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but why does that make it justifiable to come at me?
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Re: So let me get this straight.
Jan 11, 2024, 3:07 PM
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You posted a sarcastic, one liner, cheap shot. Troll.
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Re: So let me get this straight.
Jan 11, 2024, 6:24 PM
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Are you saying Dabo's lack of using the portal is the reason high school recruitment has suffered?
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Re: So let me get this straight.
Jan 11, 2024, 6:41 PM
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My man what you’re doing here is a lost cause. You are 100% correct but these sunshine pumpers. They have a “holier than thou” mentality and thinks this program is like ordained by God. Can’t understand that it’s a FOOTBALL program and the goal is to win by all legal parameters. I am personally not cool with 8-win seasons after seeing what this program is capable of. We were heading in a direction to be the king of the sport in 2019. Now we’re 6th in the ACC
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Re: Is that why our high school recruiting has been so much better lately?
Jan 11, 2024, 12:15 PM
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I'll copy and paste a response I made above to make it easier on you..
Our recruiting took a hit once we couldn't get players on campus due to COVID. Both in them wanting to come, and in our ability to scout them in person. I think now that this is behind us, we are starting to see more and more high ranked recruits interested in us now that they have been able to come and see what we offer. There will still be those that are solely driven by money that will not be interested in Clemson. But those types weren't really interested before either.
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Thanks. I agree that it's key for us to have on-campus visits.
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Clemson is a special place, and one that we can ideally show off to recruits in person.
However, we've had plenty of time post-COVID restrictions to show recruits our campus, and I would argue that our 2024 class is not comparable overall to some of our classes when we were an elite program.
Basically, we have to recruit really really well, as it the best class in the country or very close to it, in order to have the talent level we need to absorb our lack of portal usage as well as other programs' willingness to use it.
I don't see the math working out on this if we continue our current path.
My hope is that Luke and/or Rumph will be helpful in bringing Dabo along on this.
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Re: Thanks. I agree that it's key for us to have on-campus visits.
Jan 11, 2024, 6:54 PM
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So your hope is that he hired someone smarter than him - like you??
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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You shouldn’t be alarmed at anything mentioned by “pundits”.
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
Jan 11, 2024, 9:20 AM
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Those exact same national pundits probably thought Dabo was a bad hire at Clemson.
We all have our opinions, especially about the portal. But who honestly cares what pundits or sports journalists think? Those people know a lot less about Dabo, how he thinks, and Clemson than the average Clemson grad.
The AP was disqualified from naming the CFB National Champion for a reason.
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I'm glad he hasn't. Refreshing to see someone stick to their principles
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Jan 11, 2024, 9:31 AM
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for a change.
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That's fine, but then we shouldn't feel sorry for him if he wins less.
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And we probably shouldn't pay him top dollar either.
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Re: That's fine, but then we shouldn't feel sorry for him if he wins less.
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Not your place to decide that, troll. And that is a good thing for Clemson.
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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It’s also not true. How many players did we put out for in the portal so far? The main issue is Dabo will not get in a bidding war for a player and will not guarantee a starting position. We led the nation is freshman snaps last season. Nobody is getting a guaranteed start.
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I recall us pursuing three players in the portal the last few years.
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1. An offensive lineman from Virginia in 2022.
2. An offensive lineman from Shorter College in 2023.
3. An offensive lineman from Middle Tennessee in 2023.
Shockingly, none of these guys chose Clemson. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe it's because our coach has made it clear that he doesn't like the transfer portal, and that his transfer portal is our locker room.
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Re: I recall us pursuing three players in the portal the last few years.
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The post you trolled has the answer for you. Dabo won’t guarantee a transfer a starting position. That is why they don’t come here.
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Re: I recall us pursuing three players in the portal the last few years.
Jan 11, 2024, 5:34 PM
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I see many transfer players not starting on elite teams. That excuse is a cop out just like they are all chasing money.
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Re: I recall us pursuing three players in the portal the last few years.
Jan 11, 2024, 7:06 PM
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JK said earlier in the thread that Dabo needs to bring in difference makers through the portal. So the discussion isn’t about using the portal to find second and third stringers. Not all of the elite players are just chasing money. Not all of them are looking for guaranteed playing time. Not all of them don’t want to come to a school in a small town in SC. Not all of them don’t want to play for Dabo or in his culture. Not all of them would rather play in the SEC or BIG 10 than the ACC.
There is no single reason. But those are just 5 possible reasons a player might not want to come to Clemson. When you look at the limited number of players in the portal that could be real difference makers for us it is pretty easy to see why we may not have found that match yet.
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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It's alarming? Is it not the truth?
I want Dabo as our coach regardless of his stance but it seems we are the ONLY power 5 to not use the portal to "buy" a player at a position of need. So the narrative is correct NO?
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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That makes sense. Adaptability is crucial.
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Yes, you either need to be able to adapt or cultivate a cult-like following that
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makes excuse for your inability/unwillingness to adapt...either/or
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Perception is reality these days.
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Dabo has plenty of sound bites talking about his issues with the portal and his reluctance to use it. He's tried to backpedal since then to say that he will use it if needed, but that isn't enough to overcome his previous outspokenness on the matter.
Plus, he hasn't actually used the portal to obtain any difference makers. Not one. Using it twice to get a third or fourth string quarterback doesn't constitute using the portal in any meaningful fashion.
It's no wonder that we have whiffed on the few portal players we have pursued.
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Re: Perception is reality these days.
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Jan 11, 2024, 10:07 AM
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Yep. As long as we don’t guarantee playing time they won’t come here. I’m thinking the rest of the locker room is ok with that.
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Re: Perception is reality these days.
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:31 PM
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What exactly are you arguing? Dabo doesn’t use the portal, we definitely know it, and so does everyone else! No one said Coach Swinney was a bad man, a bad coach, needs to go, anything.
All I’ve seen are frankly the usual suspects trying to dismiss facts.
My opinion, not fact, is that Dabo has let the program, and the fans down the last few years with his decisions. Hires, Portal, etc etc. Having that opinion doesn’t make me or anyone else more or less of a Clemson fan. It may, arguably, indicate I’m more sane and in touch with reality than some. That’s just another opinion, meaningless.
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Re: Perception is reality these days.
Jan 11, 2024, 7:10 PM
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Based on your “logic”, I should be allowed to have and state my opinion as well. And I wont comment on anyone else’s sanity or touchiness with reality.
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The portal is an OPTION - not a requirement
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Jan 11, 2024, 10:09 AM
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Some coaches want to build great single-season teams and hope that those journeymen guys gel with the others who made more of a commitment to the school and also hope that they stick around past that first year (looking at you, DJ).
Other coaches want to build a culture, develop players, foster loyalty and family. That's Dabo. As he's said, he is NOT "against the portal." He just has a different mindset than others. Is it better? Is it worse? Neither. It's just a different coaching/leadership philosophy.
If you don't like it, go root for Prime at Colorado. He's all about trying to assemble all the best pieces and hope they gel as a team. Him and many others. Dabo is trying to build consistency, culture and develop great players and great young men. I'm in.
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Re: The portal is an OPTION - not a requirement
Jan 11, 2024, 5:07 PM
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Some coaches want to build great single-season teams and hope that those journeymen guys gel with the others who made more of a commitment to the school and also hope that they stick around past that first year (looking at you, DJ).
Other coaches want to build a culture, develop players, foster loyalty and family. That's Dabo. As he's said, he is NOT "against the portal." He just has a different mindset than others. Is it better? Is it worse? Neither. It's just a different coaching/leadership philosophy.
If you don't like it, go root for Prime at Colorado. He's all about trying to assemble all the best pieces and hope they gel as a team. Him and many others. Dabo is trying to build consistency, culture and develop great players and great young men. I'm in.
It really is mind boggling that people aren't intelligent enough to see what is really going on. Ignore the narrative it is just easy for people to repeat it like it's
Dabo knows what he is doing. Trust the process. Go Tigers!!!!
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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Jan 11, 2024, 10:10 AM
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Anyone think that NIL and portal is the reason for Saban retirement ?
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Maybe, but
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Jan 11, 2024, 10:14 AM
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I think it's more that the guy is 72, has been doing this all his life, doesn't need anything else - certainly not any more money - and really has nothing left to achieve. At this stage, as we saw this year, even one loss is a failed season for them now, based upon the precedent he's set. Time to let someone else try to deal with that pressure. But yeah, I think that all of those new elements are definitely a variable. Younger coaches like Deion are better suited to accept and adapt.
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Lets all be thankful Dabo isnt Alabamas # 1 its a blessing
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Jan 11, 2024, 10:13 AM
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This is awesome they don’t want Dabo, imagine if Saban came to Clemson instead of Dabo, do you really believe we would have been so good & won so much with two National Championships?
Dabo is the best coach in college football and has proven it by winning 🏆🏆 winning at CLEMSON and beating Alabama who had tons more talent.
Dabo will take this as a challenge and the best is yet to come. The portal is rat poison at a small school like Clemson, being loyal and different will payoff when players get tired of guys getting paid to take their positions.
Dabo will use it legally when & where he can. The perception he doesn’t use it is keeping Alabama’s boosters from wanting him is great news for us.
Our best days are ahead of us, can’t wait to win our first SEC championship, it’s coming.
They’ll be begging for Dabo before it’s over.
Gooooo Tigerssssssss!
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Re: Lets all be thankful Dabo isnt Alabamas # 1 its a blessing
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:34 PM
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Seriously? Are you kidding? Sorry I can’t tell.
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Put me down
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Jan 11, 2024, 10:14 AM
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…as not alarmed.
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oh, I don't know , who is it alarming to? not high school players and probably
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Jan 11, 2024, 10:19 AM
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not portal guys if they get an offer. seems that is only alarming to the media and mouth breathers on various message boards
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"national pundits " .. oh knooooess.... Clemson is doomed***
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Jan 11, 2024, 11:21 AM
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
Jan 11, 2024, 1:47 PM
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I've also seen a narrative that Dabo is still doing it the right way, and Michigan is being used as the example. The Wolverine's Championship team wasn't built from the portal. It was built by recruiting kids who stayed and improved their skills. Right now college football is in a wild space as coaches figure out how to build a team now that NIL is a thing, players can transfer without sitting out a year and super-seniors exist. No one knows what is going to work in the long run.
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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Jan 11, 2024, 3:25 PM
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Except Michigan had 9 portal players on this years National Championship team!
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:36 PM
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Clemson wouldn’t even need that many. They wouldn’t even need 6 or 7.
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
Jan 11, 2024, 5:49 PM
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Bs. The lineman from Virginia says hi. He helped solidify their line. He was as transfer. Michigan still fills holes every cycle with transfers. No one is asking dabo to take 20.
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:04 PM
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Okay maybe someone can clear this up for me...
1. If clemson has a scholarship limit and we have players that fill all of those scholarships how do you use the portal to "fill spots"? How do the other guys that yall are in love with do it? I know how deion does it...and he doesn't give two craps about his players or their families and he's never going to build a program.
2. If you say "you take a scholarship away from a kid that has one to give it to a portal guy" what does that make you ethically?
3. Is it win at all cost now? As you saw the FSU " Rent-a- team" approach worked really well in the orange bowl. So we find a super WR in the portal and we cut Hunter Renfrow and take his scholarship. Morale goes up or down as a result? And the message to the team is, thank you for busting your ### for the last 3 years but we found a better guy who isn't a solid citizen, he doesn't make good grades, he won't graduate BUT he's 6'2" and can run fast.
4. If some grown ups don't make some rules to curb the NIL and portal effect, this sport is on the verge of crashing and burning. 12 teams will be looking at a CFP meaningful game next year. The bowls will mean even less to the remaining teams than they do now.
5. I love the narrative.."who says we can't keep up on the NIL?" An over achieving clemson base will never have as much money as an under achieving base that has 50,000 more students (Texas A&M 73k, Ohio St. 66k, Texas 52k, Clemson 23k)...over 40 years that's a million more students in the alumni population..and I know you're already saying well that's not really 50,000 per year but you get the point don't you?? You're not reducing this to a let's find flaws in the math
I like how Dabo is doing it, f I had a son ready to play college ball, i would want to go where integrity at least has a chance.
I want to win but being part of a slimey win at all costs program that has zero value on the individual athlete is a temporary solution...
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Why is that alarming?***
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Jan 11, 2024, 4:12 PM
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Re: The national narrative of Dabo being reluctant to portal is alarming
Jan 11, 2024, 5:27 PM
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It’s been said everywhere all year and last year. Methinks a lot of TNetters have just blocked all the outside noise.
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