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So, how good is FSU?
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So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:12 PM

After having time to digest it, listen to others analyze it and watching some highlights, here is my unexpert opinion.

Note: I appreciate y'all letting me post here. My aim is to talk football, not to troll. It's not my intent to try and compare FSU and Clemson. But, as a Nole fan (so I am clearly biased) I try to be as objective as possible when it comes to analyzing FSU.

So, here goes, in no particular order.

1. Elite portions of the team.
a. WR - Coleman is the real deal. He is not a one game wonder. He's smooth and fluid and runs routes well. He's also 6-3 and 200 lbs. Very physical. He is a match-up problem for anyone. Wilson is also a match-up problem. He drops too many passes (2 last night) but he also had 7 catches for 7 first downs. There are others on the team who are very good.
b. Jordan Travis. As bad as he looked the first 20 minutes of the game, he settled down and played a fine game. Starting in the middle of the second quarter he led FSU to 5 TDs and a FG on 6 straight possessions.
c. In game adjustments. Like him or not, Norvell and the staff make great in game adjustments. The offense and the defense both adjusted, especially at half-time. The running game was non-existent in the first half. Norvell switched to a 2 back set and Kelly admitted LSU never figured it out. Defense was out of position on several occasions early in the game (especially the LB crew). They weren't late in the game.
d. DL. Last year teams ran up the gut on FSU almost at will. With the new additions this year, that won't happen. And, there is enough depth that no one has to be playing 60 snaps a game. They can all get rest and still be relatively fresh in the 4th quarter.

2. Good, but not elite.
a. OL. Much better than last year, but not elite.
b. RB. Good. Way above average. But, not elite. Not at the level of Clemson, for sure.

3. Jury still out.
a. LB. Better than last year. But after one game, and considering the lack of depth, I'm not ready to say anything except they are better than last year.
b. DB. Better than last year. Malik Nabors had 6 catches for 67 yards but was really a non-factor. Ventrell Cypress appears to be a pretty good lock down corner. But, I'm not ready to pass judgment on them yet. Daniels is not that good a passer, especially when pressured. I'll wait to see how they do when they face a team that can give the QB time to pass. (Not sure who that will be. If FSU can rush 4 and get pressure on the QB, then the DBs will be very good.

I'm not ready to punch their ticket to the playoffs, by a long shot. But, I am willing to say that they are good enough to play a competitive game with anyone in the country.

Time will tell. I'm telling my Nole friends, "Pump the brakes. Be excited about the possibilities. But, don't get too far ahead of yourself. Long way to go."

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Re: So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:20 PM

You’re a gentleman. I respect you and like your posts. Yes you have a team that looks to be unbeatable after last night. You’re built entirely on a loophole that shouldn’t exist and is ruining college football. Your Noles would be nothing more than NCSt without being built with other teams players. Our coach refuses to take advantage of the same opportunities. That frustrates me to no end. Honestly I hope your team fails and falls flat on their face and quits on Coach Corn Rows. Yes I’m jealous of your transfers. It’s a cheesy, cheap and unethical way to build a program. If the Clemson Offense looks anything like it did the last 2 seasons, it’s your conference this year. I’m hoping for the best.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:24 PM

We can live in the past or adapt to the present. The choice is ours. Life rarely moves the way we want it to.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 4, 2023, 1:01 PM

Football I don’t THINK is life and death. At least not to me. We are all fanatics. So I reserve the right for myself to be dramatic and a big baby when things don’t go my way in regards to a hobby. We are passionate in the South about our favorite schools. Yep I’m being a little B about all this with the transfer portal. I admit it. A great showing tonight in Durham will unclench my cheeks.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:27 PM [ in reply to Re: So, how good is FSU? ]

So, you’re saying if Dabo did the same, then it would be OK? Got it…

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Re: So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 4, 2023, 1:04 PM

I am saying he could have at minimum got a WR or two that could help. I don’t mean buy a team like FSU did. If they curb stomp the Tigers in Death Valley with other teams players all over the field, Dabo will be pestered to death about it. And we know he HATES being questioned in any way about his choices.

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Marlborocountycoot = tigerfreak = jessetiger2017


Sep 4, 2023, 4:35 PM

FNO

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 4, 2023, 5:08 PM [ in reply to Re: So, how good is FSU? ]

which ones, name them, you know the ones that wanted to come to Clemson and that Clemson wanted... and the ones we have enough NIL money in our collective to offer... because like it or not that is how this is played...

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Recruiting - FSU vs. Clemson.

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:36 PM [ in reply to Re: So, how good is FSU? ]

Two completely different programs.

1. Clemson - Well established. Solid recruiting base. Solid retention program. Quality players are recruited out of HS, come to Clemson and stay at Clemson.

2. FSU - When Norvell took over, FSU was a mess. Even worse than a mess. Poor talent on the roster. Even worse attitudes and character on the roster. First year there, COVID hit. Coaches couldn't go out and meet players, establish relationships with players or coaches. No four star player, and very few 3 star players even wanted to come to FSU for a visit. If Norvell had not used the portal he would have been something like 4-20 for his first two years. So, he used the portal out of necessity for survival. All indications are that he has not only recruited talent, but has also recruited guys who want to be at FSU. All indications are that the locker room has great rapport and attitudes.

Recruiting is finally picking up. After the 10 win season he is getting more quality HS players to visit, and to commit.

He will use the portal heavily again this year. He has a ton of guys leaving - probably 7-10 who will be drafted. And, unlike Clemson, he doesn't have sophomores who can step in and play at that level. As time goes on the plan is to use the portal less and less as the HS talent gets better and better.

Two completely different situations. One doesn't need the portal to be elite. The other needs the portal just to survive.

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Re: Recruiting - FSU vs. Clemson.

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Sep 4, 2023, 1:11 PM

FSU looked strong across the board. And as I watched the new players at several positions, players who were studs at their previous teams, I just wondered how the two sides got together? Is FSU scouting all teams and contacting these players and offering money to come and fill that position at FSU? Or are these players contacting FSU and asking to play for them? I think we all know the answer and this coming and going of players will turn college football into what NCAA basketball has become - no identity with your school’s team or its rent-a-players. I don’t have any use for it.

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Re: Recruiting - FSU vs. Clemson.


Sep 4, 2023, 4:01 PM [ in reply to Recruiting - FSU vs. Clemson. ]

I agree completely. FSU football was entirely broken, no culture, no respect for coaches or one another. You cannot rebuild that one recruit at a time. Especially in the age of the portal - that door goes both ways. Guys come in "FSU Baby!!", quickly get disillusioned by locker room sewer attitude, and they hit the portal. You've got to make wholesale changes. Funny how winning can cover up a lot until the right culture and players begin to get seeded in and soon you've got your 'next generation.' I want FSU to succeed but I'd like you to never win another game against Clemson. But we (ACC teams & especially Clemson) need FSU to be on top of the rankings once again. With Clemson and FSU on top we are showing the ACC we run the show and it nixes the 'week ACC talk'. And thank you tarholes - that was nice to watch too.

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Re: Recruiting - FSU vs. Clemson.

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Sep 4, 2023, 4:14 PM [ in reply to Recruiting - FSU vs. Clemson. ]

It makes sense that as your HS recruiting improves there will be more slots for HS and less for portal. But, generally speaking, once someone finds gold they tend to go back for more. He will strike a good balance between the two, something I wish we would at least consider under the right circumstances that fit our needs and culture.

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Re: Recruiting - FSU vs. Clemson.


Sep 4, 2023, 5:10 PM [ in reply to Recruiting - FSU vs. Clemson. ]

don't forget to mention the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$... not saying its anything outside the rules, we all know its a huge draw for high school athletes... "show me the money!"

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Re: I don't know about all the analytics

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:24 PM

but they looked purdy dang good. However; as we know, one game does not a season make, but they look like they would be a handful for anybody. Should be a barnburner in The Valley.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:32 PM

Tnet has determined y’all are number 1 Bret I hope Dabo understands he needs to be like Mike.

On a serious note congrats y’all do your thing last night and can’t wait for y’all to come to Death Valley it’s going to be a good one.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 4, 2023, 12:38 PM

Your schedule looks good. No Irish. Only real road test will be in death valley.

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My estimation: y'all are much improved

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:38 PM

I think you played a heck of a second half, and deserve every ounce of credit your getting right now.

That said, barring some really bad coaching from the LSU side, that game is much closer. It once again reminds me how bad Kelly can be when it comes to in-game coaching. The adjustments were non existent, and the 4th down calls were odd.

But, again, y'all deserve credit for playing a heckuva game and making the adjustments that befuddled LSU. I think it will be interesting to see the progression of FSU through the year.

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Re: My estimation: y'all are much improved

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:45 PM

I listened to the LSU broadcast. The announcers seemed impressed that FSU imposed its will in the second half.

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You and I agree on this.

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Sep 4, 2023, 1:14 PM [ in reply to My estimation: y'all are much improved ]

LSU players were at a distinct disadvantage when it came to coaching.

Norvell and staff thoroughly and decisively outcoached Kelly and staff.

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Better than 13/14 of the SEC if playing in Florida


Sep 4, 2023, 12:44 PM

worse than Deshaun Watson & Company if playing in Arizona.

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Congrats Bret

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:44 PM

Seriously impressive win with smart half-time adjustments. 3 weeks and game on.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:50 PM

bretfsu® said:

After having time to digest it, listen to others analyze it and watching some highlights, here is my unexpert opinion.

Note: I appreciate y'all letting me post here. My aim is to talk football, not to troll. It's not my intent to try and compare FSU and Clemson. But, as a Nole fan (so I am clearly biased) I try to be as objective as possible when it comes to analyzing FSU.

So, here goes, in no particular order.

1. Elite portions of the team.
a. WR - Coleman is the real deal. He is not a one game wonder. He's smooth and fluid and runs routes well. He's also 6-3 and 200 lbs. Very physical. He is a match-up problem for anyone. Wilson is also a match-up problem. He drops too many passes (2 last night) but he also had 7 catches for 7 first downs. There are others on the team who are very good.
b. Jordan Travis. As bad as he looked the first 20 minutes of the game, he settled down and played a fine game. Starting in the middle of the second quarter he led FSU to 5 TDs and a FG on 6 straight possessions.
c. In game adjustments. Like him or not, Norvell and the staff make great in game adjustments. The offense and the defense both adjusted, especially at half-time. The running game was non-existent in the first half. Norvell switched to a 2 back set and Kelly admitted LSU never figured it out. Defense was out of position on several occasions early in the game (especially the LB crew). They weren't late in the game.
d. DL. Last year teams ran up the gut on FSU almost at will. With the new additions this year, that won't happen. And, there is enough depth that no one has to be playing 60 snaps a game. They can all get rest and still be relatively fresh in the 4th quarter.

2. Good, but not elite.
a. OL. Much better than last year, but not elite.
b. RB. Good. Way above average. But, not elite. Not at the level of Clemson, for sure.

3. Jury still out.
a. LB. Better than last year. But after one game, and considering the lack of depth, I'm not ready to say anything except they are better than last year.
b. DB. Better than last year. Malik Nabors had 6 catches for 67 yards but was really a non-factor. Ventrell Cypress appears to be a pretty good lock down corner. But, I'm not ready to pass judgment on them yet. Daniels is not that good a passer, especially when pressured. I'll wait to see how they do when they face a team that can give the QB time to pass. (Not sure who that will be. If FSU can rush 4 and get pressure on the QB, then the DBs will be very good.

I'm not ready to punch their ticket to the playoffs, by a long shot. But, I am willing to say that they are good enough to play a competitive game with anyone in the country.

Time will tell. I'm telling my Nole friends, "Pump the brakes. Be excited about the possibilities. But, don't get too far ahead of yourself. Long way to go."


After watching FSU last night, I will say they are REALLY good!! I hope we are.

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Yep bretfsu, your Boys were flying as high as a cloud

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:58 PM

and I was most impressed with their play, talent, team unity, having fun, Coach who could win a poker game just with his coolness & facial expressions not to mention his allowing his play caller to be imaginative at the right time. Saying, a great Team effort.

Now, hoping my Boys will be equally as success tonight!

Go TiGERS!

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Sep 4, 2023, 12:59 PM

Congrats Bretfsu y’all played a darn good game. Great goal line stance first at start of the game. Reminded me of your great teams of end of Bowden era. Good fast hard hitting defense.

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FSU vs. Kansas in the Meadowlands.


Sep 4, 2023, 1:17 PM

Opening game of the 93 season. 7 plays inside the 2 yard line.

Oh yeah. I almost forgot. Mickey Andrews had some pretty good defenses back in the day.👍

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Re: So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 4, 2023, 1:02 PM

I know it’s the new way, but I just despise the portal and everything it brings to college sports. It’s just like jobs nowadays, people change them like tee shirts. No commitment at all!

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 4, 2023, 1:04 PM

Id say noles slightly better than last year

and lsu had a game one disaster

clemson just needs to be slightly better than last year and they will give the noles all they want

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 4, 2023, 1:06 PM

I think your team is #### good. Great win over a formidable SEC team. We better be ready and have our defense playing well or we’ll lose our SECOND home game in a row. Congrats. 👍

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Ill apologize in advance for all the

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Sep 4, 2023, 1:10 PM

Ignorant Orange glass wearers on here for questioning your teams talent and character because y’all are smart enough to use the portal to best fit your team needs.
Y’all Definitely didn’t look like a bunch of lazy characterless team cancers that can’t gel.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 4, 2023, 1:10 PM

I am happy to see ya'll doing well. And UNC. The ACC needs more teams to perform to their level expected when they entered the conference. Like Hokies and Cardinals and Hurricanes. Then we would get proper respect for the conference. 3 good teams is not going to do it (CU, FL ST, UNC) Of course the SEC is top heavy too.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 4, 2023, 1:17 PM

Bretfsu, you have been uber cool on the boards and glad ur here!

I saw excellent pass protection but at the same time barely any run protection. Wr looked elite with a few 1 v 1 catches and many wide open catches.
I saw the same thing on lswhoo team too.

Travis is the same qb that has shown up every season.

Will win alot of games. I do believe lsu yo be overrated rn but polls are whatever until cfp.

Don't let the no portal people bother u cause without any 1 of those receivers the game would have been to the other team.

Overall 1st game and hopefully the run game will happen. Rn fsu is undefeated and I hope they win all but 1!

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 4, 2023, 1:36 PM

FSU looked outstanding!

We've had a few teams that look like that ourselves. Hoping to see it tonight.

Enjoy the good teams... as they are certainly fleeting

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Sep 4, 2023, 1:44 PM

FSU played a very good game and it was a great win. However, the defensive secondary seems to be a weak link in the chain. LSU WR's were wide open often. Their last TD was a perfect example. The guy was wide open. However, this can easily be fixed by watching film and on the practice field.

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Sep 4, 2023, 1:52 PM

They looked really good to me. Their stand in the red zone to start the game sent a clear message. They do have the athletes, coaching, and motivation to beat anybody including us.

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Sep 4, 2023, 2:02 PM

FSU played a home game last night! And Kelly called an awful game! He left two touchdowns on the field in the first half. We will see how FSU plays at our home game in the real Death Valley! If FSU beats us hats off to them. But to be the man you have to beat the man! I think it will be the 8th in a row!

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agree with many of replys


Sep 4, 2023, 2:08 PM

scrap the mea culpa.

FSU looked very good - big boy kinda good. They can play with any team in the country good.

just the way i saw it - kinda glad yall are back, kinda not.

hope the good guys come out tonight with the same kind of vigor and aggressive play.

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I do, too.****


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Sep 4, 2023, 2:31 PM

Just watching as a college football fan, i thought the OL looked a little heavy footed and sluggish
But otherwise I agree with Bretfsu analysis

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Sep 4, 2023, 3:02 PM

I agree with your assessment about each position group Bret. There was a lot of hype and talk for several weeks leading up to this game and FSU showed it on the field. I know this Coach Kelley should have keep his mouth shut in a media session leading up to the game. Clemson is going to have their hands full when we play FSU.

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Pretty dang good. Week 1, two top ten teams.


Sep 4, 2023, 3:26 PM

I’m glad we play y’all early. Should be fun in DV later this month.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 4, 2023, 3:39 PM

Personally I don’t think Travis is elite. I think he’s good and serviceable, but not elite. FSU honestly didn’t do anything to make me scared of them. They gave big fast receivers, but needed to keep Bell in the backfield to help block all night and still couldn’t run the ball.

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Sep 4, 2023, 4:11 PM

I watched the game too much with the Captain (Morgan) but .. from what I could see, they played great !!!

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 4, 2023, 4:29 PM

I don't need to take a deep dive to understand how good the Noles are. They kicked a good team's butt badly. They're the real deal, IMO. Gonna be a classic FSU vs Clemson matchup September 23. Congrats on a great win!

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Hey bro, its our game day.


Sep 4, 2023, 4:37 PM

How about you come back tomorrow and talk about your team? We are trying to focus here.

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Re: So, how good is FSU?

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Sep 6, 2023, 8:26 AM

I made a thread about this earlier. It is the job of the Head Coach to set his program up for success. Also, to make decisions that give his teams the best possible chance to win games. Mike Norvell has built a great foundation to a once Powerhouse program. Mike Norvell has done a TREMENDOUS job using the portal to put the best players he can get on the field to give his team the best possible chance to win games. Dabo HAS NOT made the best decisions to go after elite players in the portal that would give us the best chance to win games. It's a dereliction of duty on his part, as the head coach to not us the Transfer Portal. After week 1, it's very clear, that FSU is the best team in the country right now. YES, THEY ARE THE BEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE COUNTRY. FSU is light years ahead of Clemson, UNC, and the entire ACC. FSU could defeat Bama, UGA, Michigan and O -CRY-O St. I personally, DO NOT see any weaknesses on this FSU team. FSU will win the ACC, will play in the CFP as the #2 seed, and will go undefeated, beat ALabama to win the National Championship. GO TIGERS!!!!

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We won't know that answer until we play them. Just as


Sep 6, 2023, 8:30 AM

only time will tell if Neon Deion's win over TCU was as earth shattering as people want to believe right now. TCU could wind up with a losing record. LSU may not be very good. Or, they could run the table after that loss. You can't predict a season, good or bad, based on an opening game. Too many on here are doing just that, throwing in the towel after one bad round.

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Sep 6, 2023, 8:31 AM

I agree that you looked improved. I never bought LSU at #5. Kelly is abysmal at playing ranked teams. On the other hand, if our team played like your's did I would be buying my national championship tickets

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Re: So, how good is FSU?


Sep 6, 2023, 8:58 PM

Man, they looked like the real deal!

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