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It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oklahoma is on the rise and we are in an absolute nosedive. Venables took the fire with him, now we are sloppy and lack discipline. No one has any passion other than Shipley, and his energy is toxic AF.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:22 PM
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Our defense is fine. It's the offense that is the problem.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:23 PM
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Our defense is fine. It's the offense that is the problem.
Im talking about the whole team. Venables chugged a case of Monsters before every game and his energy was contagious. It even spread into the crowd.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:28 PM
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The difference is that we don’t have the talent we used to. Oklahoma still does.
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Talent????? You can't be serious. You think talent is the issue.
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:47 PM
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We've got more talent than ever by an order of magnitude.
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Re: Talent????? You can't be serious. You think talent is the issue.
Oct 8, 2023, 6:36 AM
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No we don't. No one on this team has the talent of Sammy Watkins, or Mike Williams. No one on this team has the talent of Trevor Lawrence or Travis Etienne.
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Re: Talent????? You can't be serious. You think talent is the issue.
Oct 8, 2023, 8:09 AM
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What’s your point?
How many Nattys were won with Sammy?
How many with Trevor and ETN?
There is plenty of Talent on this team.
Oh yeah Clemson won the Game!
( sorry they did not score 1000 points so you can say woooo and be the man a little more)
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You cannot be serious
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:35 PM
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Trevor Lawrence
Travis Etienne
Dexter Lawrence
Christian Wilkins
Mike Williams
Hunter Renfro
Justyn Ross
Amari Rogers
Well, I could go on but in these former Clemson stars FAR EXCEED the players we have in those positions today.
There are a lot of comments about coaching but the glaring issue to me is the failure in recruiting. Dabo was two things: a wide receiver coach and a great recruiter. So why is our wide receiver room so poor? It's complicated but I think the coaches Dabo has put in place are inexperienced (and it's not just about calling a play or technique) and cannot get a developing player to excel at the next level. It seems to be the top talent want two things: Money today, and money in the future. Some put more weight on the former than the latter to their detriment. We have the history with an outstanding record with our receiver alumni but it isn't translating to recruiting success. Did Dabo forget how to do it or is he not as involved? Well perhaps but I doubt it. I thing they are looking at their position coach, comparing that person to the person at another school and how they have a history of developing players and they are passing us by.
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Re: You cannot be serious
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:57 PM
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We have Hamp Greene and a Swinney started the South Carolina game 2 years ago. We do not have the players on offense to compete in top 25
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:43 PM
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we gotta put our foot down, no commitable offers to anyone who is not a composite 5☆ and that holds for the entire recruiting period. Visits too/only comp5☆s even unofficials–
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 9:08 PM
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You’re an idiot. We have more talent than we’ve ever had. That is a fact, not an opinion.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
Oct 8, 2023, 6:38 AM
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No we don't. So me any one on the team as good as Tee Higgins. Show me anyone on the team as good as DeAndre Hopkins. So me anyone on the team as good as Travis Etienne.
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Not a single player
Oct 8, 2023, 7:44 AM
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On the team as a whole. From the line to RB to corner and safety. We have like the 6th highest rated team composite wise. When Sammy was here he had Sammy but he a 3/4star QB and a bunch of 2-3 stat linemen, 3-4 star receivers, 2,3,-4 star RB (remember hot rod)? He was the hamp green/ swinney kid that year.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
Oct 7, 2023, 7:26 PM
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Yes but the defense, outside of Deshaun, always provided the vocal leader and heart of the team. Those are the guys that are going to push the players further than the coaches in practice, the film room, the weight room, and when needed on the field. B.V. knew how to identify, develop, and unleash those types of guys, the Wilkins, Boulware, Skalskis of the team. I think that’s one of the biggest things we have missing right now. Right up there with a competent WR, OL, and ST coach…
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:29 PM
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The problem is that we don’t have the talent we used to. It's no more complicated than that.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:35 PM
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I think we’re just not developing talent at the same level we used to, we’re still recruiting at a high level but we don’t have the staff on hand to develop them for the next level
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
Oct 7, 2023, 9:23 PM
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No. We don't have anyone on the team even close to the level of Tee Higgins, or Mike Williams, or Travis Etienne. I don't care what their star ratings are. They don't have the physical abilities of the guys I mentioned.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:56 PM
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Please be specific and at what positions because the composite rankings has this as our all time most talented roster.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
Oct 7, 2023, 9:16 PM
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Exactly! I hate when people say it’s recruiting. It is absolutely not recruiting. As you said, based on recruiting and team talent rankings, this is the most talent we have ever had. I personally believe it is coaching, and more specifically position coaching. We have too many unqualified and inexperienced position coaches that are in way above their heads.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 9:20 PM
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The composite ranking doesn't matter. We don't have anyone on the team with the same skill set as Tee Higgins, or Mike Williams, or Sammy Watkins.
It would be kind of like if you have a basketball team full on 4/5 star small forwards. Even if they are all 4/5 star guys, you are still going to have problems because you don't have that top notch ballhandler or 6'10" rebounder.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:23 PM
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The problem is Trevmill. Bad mojo
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:29 PM
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Look, I love me some BV, BUT knumbnuts,
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:24 PM
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Oklahoma was a PLAYOFF team when Riley bailed to USC and BV was hired.
Some of you people are so stupid
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Re: Look, I love me some BV, BUT knumbnuts,
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Oklahoma was a PLAYOFF team when Riley bailed to USC and BV was hired.
Some of you people are so stupid
We also used to be a playoff team. We'll be struggling with Furman within the next 5 years.
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Re: Look, I love me some BV, BUT knumbnuts,
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:32 PM
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Riley also took 13 players including Caleb Williams from that playoff team to USC so there’s that
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Re: Look, I love me some BV, BUT knumbnuts,
Oct 7, 2023, 8:07 PM
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Those silly facts ruin the fantasy he was enjoying
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Or, Oklahoma has oil money and no aversion to the portal. We are behind the curve due to our refusal to use the portal, but the truth is we don't have the money or "advertiser backing" or whatever you want to call NIL$$ to pay skill-position players 7 figures per year. That is what it will take to get back to the top of the heap.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:26 PM
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Or, Oklahoma has oil money and no aversion to the portal. We are behind the curve due to our refusal to use the portal, but the truth is we don't have the money or "advertiser backing" or whatever you want to call NIL$$ to pay skill-position players 7 figures per year. That is what it will take to get back to the top of the heap.
You get it. 🤙
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:33 PM
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None of that has anything to do with BV…
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It had always been Dabo
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:26 PM
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He is the motivator and inspiration. He is responsible for bringing in the coaching talent that led to our success. He established the culture that has become our identity.
He truly believes “there is something special in these hills”. Yes things are different now but we should never forget!
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Re: It had always been Dabo
Oct 7, 2023, 8:49 PM
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The best thing Dabo ever did was hire BV. That’s when he started winning and the day BV left we started losing. No one can argue whether or not this is true, it simply is a fact. Can Dabo hire another BV? Is GR going to be hamstrung on offense or will Dabo let him go? Will we continue to promote from within or allow outside ideas in? We shall see but the past is an indisputable metric!
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Re: It had always been Dabo
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Oct 7, 2023, 9:04 PM
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You are correct his best hire was BV and yes it was his hire. That is the credit he deserves.
All things change over time. For what he has fine he deserves the opportunity to make the changes to bring us back.
He built the 2 championships we won under his leadership. Without him there would never have be a BV to help us reach the top of the mountain.
I’m looking forward to the next chapter. How we do is up for debate but he deserves our support and the opportunity.
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Re: It had always been Dabo
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Oct 7, 2023, 9:28 PM
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He should t have to bring us back, rather it should be to keep us there. I do believe Dabo thinks or thought the guys he was working with could do that but we all see it didn’t work. The question is does he? The GR hire was exciting last year but I’m afraid the Dabo ego is too big now to allow a BV to come in and do things his way. Time will tell but I’m afraid we will watch this thing implode and it may be decades to never before we get it back. I say never because we happen to be in a dead end alliance with a football conference that isn’t well respected and the game has changed. Thank god we were alive to see the good ol days
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Re: It had always been Dabo
Oct 7, 2023, 10:09 PM
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Thank you. These people literally have the lowest IQ's of all time. We're blessed to have Dabo. He'll figure it out.
Or he'll quit. And then we can go back to perenial 7-5 team. Without an ACC championship for 20 years.
I'll take Dabo any day.
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Re: It had always been Dabo
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Oct 7, 2023, 10:17 PM
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We may be a 7-5 team this year.
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Re: It had always been Dabo
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Oct 7, 2023, 10:37 PM
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Memories on this bored are so short term. In Venables’ last year here we went 10-3 having to win the Cheezit Bowl to get to 10 wins. We finished the year at 14/16 in the two main polls. Who knows where we’ll finish this year. We didn’t win the ACC that year either, with Venables as DC.
Venables was great but some of y’all put him on a pedestal now that he’s gone while kicking Dabo when he’s still here and a tiger……
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:26 PM
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No it wasn't.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
Oct 7, 2023, 7:45 PM
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Walk back to where ever you slithered in from !
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Worry about your own team.
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Oct 7, 2023, 7:48 PM
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You’re 2-3, with a bunch more losses on the way.
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I'm assuming your wife is a whale.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
Oct 7, 2023, 8:34 PM
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It's likely the opener took any metaphorical energy reserve and no quit attitude we've come to expect. I don't fault the coaches, no amount of motivational 'cross of gold' speeches can enable a player to 'suspend belief' and run on pure adrenaline for 10 games. I do blame them for the self inflicted wounds & handicaps and a tired perspective regarding such accurately described(byme) as unyielding stubbornness, borne of spite; all of which effectuated the unlikely but eventual outcome of the opener-
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Who sought out and hired CBV to Clemson?***
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It was both
Oct 7, 2023, 9:05 PM
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Organization and heart from Dabo, fire and intensity from BV, and leadership & authenticity from both. BV is missed.
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Just like it was never Tommy Bowden, It was Rich Rodriguez***
Oct 7, 2023, 9:49 PM
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
Oct 7, 2023, 10:06 PM
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Lol. Ok chief. It's called QB, WR, and RB and we dont really have any. It's always been skill positions. Stop trashing Dabo. Its really the lowest IQ take.
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
Oct 7, 2023, 10:19 PM
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and who's responsibility is it that we don't have the talent we used to have?
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Re: It was never Dabo, it was Venables
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You're an ¡diot
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You coots win one in a row and think you know football.
Oct 8, 2023, 5:39 AM
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Your streak ends this season.
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you don't like the FAMILY ??***
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