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Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
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Sep 6, 2023, 10:53 AM
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1) I think those of you that are saying it have no basis for the assertion other than you see an engaged coach using his headset
2) I don’t think Riley left a sweet gig at TCU with a Broyles award to be a glorified assistant coach. He could have gone most anywhere on his terms.
What I will say, is that both he and Goodwin need to get up in the booth and Dabo needs to tell them that.
They need to see the plays for themselves in real time. Let the other position coaches get the “feel of the game”. It’s their job to call plays and make adjustments and I don’t think it is effective to do that from the sideline. And if you don’t believe me, then just see what % of nfl coordinators coach from the box.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
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Sep 6, 2023, 10:55 AM
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Goodwin in the booth? Yes yes yes.
Riley in the booth? No. He’s the WB whisperer; this helps Klubnik.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 7:15 PM
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I totally agree. Goodwin needs to be in the booth and Eason direct the sideline. Goodwin doesn’t strike fear in anyone coming off the field or on the field. Let Rain Man stay upstairs and do his algorithms.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
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Sep 6, 2023, 10:55 AM
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Do buy that he might be calling SOME of the plays?
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 11:00 AM
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I think the extent of his play calling is limited by to calling for the run on 3rd and 19 (which I did not care for)
Or the run with 10 seconds left in the first half (that I also did not care for)
Beyond that I think it’s all Riley and I feel pretty darn confident in saying that
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 10:55 AM
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I can agree with you on the coach's ability to have the best view of the field.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
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Sep 6, 2023, 10:58 AM
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1) I think those of you that are saying it have no basis for the assertion other than you see an engaged coach using his headset
2) I don’t think Riley left a sweet gig at TCU with a Broyles award to be a glorified assistant coach. He could have gone most anywhere on his terms.
What I will say, is that both he and Goodwin need to get up in the booth and Dabo needs to tell them that.
They need to see the plays for themselves in real time. Let the other position coaches get the “feel of the game”. It’s their job to call plays and make adjustments and I don’t think it is effective to do that from the sideline. And if you don’t believe me, then just see what % of nfl coordinators coach from the box.
Interesting. What is Dabo doing during Offensive series, and who is he animatedly speaking to, if he is not engaged in offensive play calling and decision making? If Dabo is speaking with Garrett Riley, why? Should not Riley be more focused on Klubnik and the game plan than Swinney? DavidHood®
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
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Sep 6, 2023, 11:06 AM
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What are we seeing then?? The offense on the field Monday night was the same #### offense we’ve seen for the past 3 years. Elliott is gone, Streeter is gone, but Dabo is still here. That was not a Garrett Riley offense we saw Monday. Riley was on the sidelines with little index cards, while Dabo had on the head set and a play calling sheet, constantly talking into head set.
Also, Hood reported that night that a former player had texted him about Dabo calling the plays. Whenever asked who calls the plays, we get a vague, non-specific, chippy response from Dabo.
When asked about a Garrett Riley offense pre-game, Dabo said it was a “Clemson offense”, it’s a collaboration, he said.
Stop pissing on our heads and calling it rain.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 11:09 AM
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You saw a team that still doesn't have receivers who can force a defense to defend deep balls, so the defense can be more aggressive.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
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Sep 6, 2023, 11:12 AM
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We have capable WRs or so we have been told… the problem is we have a s h i t t y WR coach.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 11:46 AM
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We need better than capable. That's the problem.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
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Sep 6, 2023, 11:19 AM
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Exactly! Heard the same thing and worried me when he said it. Collaboration? You just hired the Broyles Winner to come in and fix the "collaboration" that hasn't worked for the past few years. Let the man do what he was hired to do and stop the micro-managing!
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yep, you look at TCUs offense last yr, and its almost the
Sep 6, 2023, 11:31 AM
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same offensive plays. Not the inner workings might be different, but its a ton of behind LOS passes, screens, etc.
The only main difference i saw was more use of the middle.
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Unfortunately, Cade was so fired up, he wasn't accurate
Sep 6, 2023, 11:41 AM
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enough to risk a lot of throws over the middle. Also, TCU was more effective with their QB runs than Cade was Monday.
I think we see Cade calm down and execute better with experience.
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Re: yep, you look at TCUs offense last yr, and its almost the
Sep 6, 2023, 12:41 PM
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Apparently not many of you watched TCU offense. Some expect it to be 4 verticals every passing play and chuck it down field. For one that will never work, and two, that’s not Riley’s offense. It’s a lot of motion and crossing routes, quick passing. It’s a high tempo offense that generates long plays by creating seams where the WR or RB get chunk yards. Now maybe the biggest issue is Clemson doesn’t have the horses to accomplish what he’s trying to do, but Riley’s offense is very similar to what Scott and Elliott called. Yes of course you’ll have situations where the WR is streaking down the sideline wide open but that’s not always how it’s always going to happen. Riley’s offense establishes the run to create the pass. Clemson honestly did that Monday, but couldn’t capitalize in the red zone. I know my opinion isn’t popular here on TNet but the offense wasn’t all bad. That second half they moved the ball with ease. Problem is you can’t get inside the 10 and never get points.
Dabo saying “this is Clemson’s offense” is the same way he used to say all 22 starting positions are up for grab (even though we knows the starters before the season). It’s more of a “Garret Riley is a Clemson coach, and everything is referenced as a team, not an individual.”
At the end Clemson is 0-1. Now can they go 11-1 in the regular season??? I’m not sure I’d hold my breath, but regardless there is a lot of football left and if somehow they can get it going who knows what happens.
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People bought that the B1G was as interested in us
Sep 6, 2023, 11:22 AM
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Not surprising they believe another conspiracy theory about play calling
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My hunch is that plays are called by committee.
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Sep 6, 2023, 11:39 AM
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When Tony Elliott was asked about this, he said that he calls the plays with input from others. I can see the same thing now, with Riley suggesting a play and Dabo either agreeing or vetoing in.
My concern is that Dabo was so quick to tell everyone before Monday night's game that Riley was brought in to run Clemson's offense. That explains why our offense against Duke was eerily similar to the largely ineffective offense we've seen at Clemson the last few years, and very dissimilar to what Riley has done at SMU and TCU.
Again, why are we spending tons of money to bring in an innovative offensive coordinator if we're just going to keep running the same offense we have been? Just keep Streeter in that case.
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Collaboration
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Sep 6, 2023, 11:57 AM
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Definition: Working together with one or more people to complete a project or task and develop ideas and processes.
It just kind of threw me off when Dabo used this word to describe or offense. I was hoping Riley would have total control kinda like Chad when he was hired. I wouldn't even comment about this if I didn't see and hear Dabo say it. Maybe he "misspoke"? Anyway, doesn't matter. It is what it is.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 12:10 PM
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The problem is lack of talent at WR. I'm myself guilty of high expectations of this Riley offense similar to what he accomplished at TCU
Big mistake. TCU had the second WR overall to be drafted in the NFL in the recent draft behind only the top picked WR ( ohiost ) off the board. They also had a WR selected in the fourth round.
As much as it pains me to say this we have no WR on this roster that will be drafted by the NFL. That may not remain to be the case going forward however at the moment this is irrelevant.
I will temper my expectations accordingly and hope Riley can utilize our skill at RB and TE to maximize production. Despite not being known to have at least some involvement with WR recruiting, I sincerely hope that's not the case with Jeff Scott. We could use him to beat the bushes down in Florida to flush out some WRs and get them sent our way. Wesco and TJ are a great pair and 3 or 4 more equally talented playmakers will be required to duplicate his success at TCU.
There are growing pains we will unfortunately have to weather but don't count Clemson out just yet. Look at Alabama. With the greatest coach in college football history even Alabama suffers an occasional setback. We will still have a good season and championship football is right around the corner.
I know it's wishful thinking but a short term solution to improve drastically at WR is to go get Hartline from OhioSt to replace Grisham. Pay the man whatever he wants. He's undoubtedly the best 8n the business.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 12:48 PM
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Unfortunately, Hartline will not make a lateral move to coach here. He’s got it too good at Ohio St.
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I don't get the hate for the defense coming out of this
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Sep 6, 2023, 12:19 PM
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game. The defense played very well, minus some poor tackling at times. They finally broke down in the end when it became abundantly clear that the offense was not going to provide any kind of points to give us any opportunity to come back and win the game. I thought our secondary played the best game I have seen out of them in at least three years. The two most hyped parts of it, the linebacker corps, and the D-Line, underperformed compared to the secondary. But, make no mistake, the OFFENSIVE side of the ball is what cost us that game.
Venables called his defense from on the field. Jeff Scott called offense from on the field. I always thought Tony Elliot being in the booth was highly overrated anyway. If you can't see trends from the field, with the input of players, you probably ain't gonna see them from the booth overhead either.
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then why does the offense look no different?***
Sep 6, 2023, 12:20 PM
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this is nonsense.***
Sep 6, 2023, 4:23 PM
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 12:25 PM
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I think his comments pre-game are being taken out of context. I believe Herbstreit said the same thing on Pats show yesterday. I don’t think he meant by saying “Clemsons offense” that Riley was being forced to run Clemsons offense. I think he’s saying that they are a team now and and no individual is running the offense it’s the “teams” offense meaning Riley is a part of Clemsons offense. Clemson is Riley; Riley is Clemson
And those for you that can’t understand why it looked so similar to 2021-2022 it’s not going to drastically change like in 2011 when we hired Chad Morris and did a complete overhaul to our style. “Riley’s offensive style” is very similar to what we already did from a schematics stand point therefore it’s going to look the same.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 1:02 PM
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No one cares what you're buying.
1.) We saw Dabo with the playsheet speaking animatedly into his mic. Riley only had an index card and was not speaking.
2.) Eric Maclaine said Dabo was the one calling the plays, which David Hood talked about during the game.
3.) Dabo bristled at their calling the offense Riley's offense and said it was Clemson's.
4.) Guess what, you can be lied to when interviewing for a job. I have been and so have most people. You think the Broyles winner would want to be forbidden to speak to the press? And yet we know that happened.
5.) If you actually watched the offense, you'd see it matched last year's far closer than it did at either SMU or TCU. And last year, we know the main playcaller was Dabo.
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 2:00 PM
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You don’t know what you are talking about.
You see a head coach with a laminated sheet and a headset and think you are some Sherlock
David Hood came back and said Riley is calling the plays and the unnamed former player is wrong.
So there you go
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Re: Im not buying this dabo is calling all the plays refrain
Sep 6, 2023, 7:45 PM
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Post the proof of David saying that.
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Ok. He's hampering the play calling. Is that better?***
Sep 6, 2023, 7:11 PM
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