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This season sucked
Jan 1, 2023, 11:11 AM
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And I'll try to make this the last op I make on the topic. I just feel like the year was there for the taking, we had the puzzle pieces in place personnel wise, and even got some breaks early on that you always need.
We just coached ourselves out of contention and competitive football on the big stages. 12 years ago, we'd be excited. Now, with probably half a bill plus invested and $20M all in for the staff per year, this just sucks.
The first time I'm conceding this point, and it pains me to do it, but our conference situation is killing us. Were falling behind on the capital aspect, losing credibility across by FBS by ######## the bed against big OOC teams, and lacking the big game atmospheres week in and week out that helps teams build depth and quality experience in preparation for big time.
Getting my negativity out of my system as dawghater2fam has much bigger fish to fry and mountains to climb in 2023 than Clemson football. Love you guys. Happy new year!
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Orange Blooded [3615]
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Re: This season sucked
Jan 1, 2023, 11:14 AM
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We didn't have the mature ready players overall imo. We are a couple of years away.
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I'm basing my sentiment on relativity
Jan 1, 2023, 11:18 AM
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Relative to the teams that were in the show, we had the personnel in camp to make a run.
Win it all? Dunno. But at least be dancing.
We typically build depth and maturation as the years progress. Didn't do that this year.
Defensively we looked much softer than years past. And offensively, well, I think we're all aligned on how plain bagel with no cream cheese we are.
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Orange Blooded [3615]
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Re: I'm basing my sentiment on relativity
Jan 1, 2023, 11:45 AM
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We played 8 true frosh vs TN. At the beginning of the season, I had high hopes like all of us. In the end I realize we are a couple of years away.
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Agree. And we have been a couple years away for a
Jan 1, 2023, 4:17 PM
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couple of years, so there is that.
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Re: Agree. And we have been a couple years away for a
Jan 1, 2023, 4:21 PM
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Especially since our class fell apart after BV and Elliot bolted.
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Lot o points [155948]
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Re: This season sucked
Jan 1, 2023, 11:19 AM
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We've become a football Milton Jennings.
Getting warm and fuzzy feelings from tearing it up as we get double doubles against the Union County Yellowjackets and the Spartanburg Christian Warriors, and then looking like we have no business being there when we finally run up against elite teams.
Dabo's happy to keep spouting off all the 10 win season stats though that Tim Bourret feeds him though while sticking his head in the ground as to the real issues so who knows if or when it'll be corrected.
I'm not done posting on it, will post more later, just saw this as I was having coffee and wanted to reply.
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To be completely honest...
Jan 1, 2023, 11:27 AM
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Only three seasons in the last 126 years of Clemson football haven't sucked. All the rest have sucked. If we don't win it all, then it sucked. If we do win it all, then it doesn't suck. Most teams in college football have never even had a year that didn't suck. There are some teams that have had a few years that didn't suck, but most teams suck every year. It sucks that this is how sucking actually works, and you can suck it if you don't like hearing the truth about sucking.
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I hear you man but respectfully disagree
Jan 1, 2023, 11:36 AM
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Losing to burrow was a good year.
Beating LSU in the peach bowl with 4th and 16 was a good year.
Deshaun losing to bama first time was a good year.
Even the covid year didn't suck. Wasn't awesome, but didn't suck.
This year just sucked. Maybe it's unfairly weighted because we finished like absolute deek hole, so that's creating some bias.
However, we usually start like deek hole and finish strong, bringing me back full circle to my beechfest
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Re: I hear you man but respectfully disagree
Jan 1, 2023, 1:29 PM
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It sucked, to me at least, because it felt like a wasted year to your points above. The players deserved more. On top of that, we’re (fans) getting sunshine blown up our skirts. I used to look forward to watching coach’s interviews after every game be it a win or a loss. Yes there was always the coach-speak but there was reality, accountability, fire, and “matter of factness” that I thought we (fans, supporters, etc.) deserved. Our intelligence wasn’t insulted even as things started to decline 3 years ago in various areas. This year, I quickly tired of those interviews. I thank Tigernet for covering, but the same old excuses and all out smoke and mirrors and deflecting the obvious were a waste of time and insulting to be honest. Watching that company line getting towed from the top down when we (everybody) were literally watching something different is disappointing.
Won’t watch the coach’s interviews from the bowl game either. 50+ passes from a freshman qb in his first start on a big stage is all I need to know. Wasn’t like our running game wasn’t productive. That’s a whole ‘nuther thread that I’m sure has been covered well in here.
Nonetheless, Happy New Year Tigers!
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Dabo just seems fat and happy
Jan 1, 2023, 11:30 AM
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Not fire to do what it takes to get back to top imo.
Said it before, it will take a 7-5 season for him to make any changes
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Reality is that fans simply have insufficient information to know what’s going on.
Jan 1, 2023, 11:52 AM
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We see evidence that something has changed and seems wrong. We are left speculating and extrapolating. Fans emotional spectrum goes from loyalty and trust to incompetence and the sky is falling. We are stuck in a “fan purgatory”.
Makes for a frustrating offseason.
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Lot o points [155948]
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If you have some understanding of X's and O's, we actually
Jan 1, 2023, 12:19 PM
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have 2-3 seasons worth of data (a pretty good sample size) to see a good bit of what's going on, and the "corrections" so far have met Einstein's definition of insanity very well.
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Legend [17294]
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Pro changes yes _ what changes is more difficult to assess.
Jan 1, 2023, 12:58 PM
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Improvement objectives can be set from performance statistics. How to get them is the more difficult question.
Offensive play calling seems disjointed but is that on Streeter or Dabo's meddling? Same for QB playing time.
WR play has dropped off. Is that on Grisham or the fact that a couple of 5* recruits didn’t pan out? Was it coaching / development or players just not making it (overrated, injuries, effort, transfers etc.) OL play seems erratic as well.There’s also a number of questionable areas on the defense.
Fans (including me) like changes. It brings hope and excitement. There’s also a downside of staffing changes. What you seek is not always what you get. West and Shyatt are examples. Brownell may be an example of an inexplicable unwillingness to make change.
Dabo and the staff individually spend upwards of 2500 to 3000 hours per year on the Xs, Os and other details.
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Let’s review what changed
Jan 1, 2023, 12:01 PM
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Average WR and OL play isn’t going to get us a 15 win season no matter who what your scheme and coaches do. Inexperienced secondary that was inconsistent.
Also, we were totally spoiled with Trevor, ETN, Deshaun, Hunter, Tee, Mike Dub, etc. Any coach can look good with that kind of elite talent. Alabama is kinda going through the same thing.
The question is whether we can get lucky and good enough to recruit the next batch of elite talents.
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I love these posts. They're great really. A sign that we
Jan 1, 2023, 12:14 PM
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have truly become spoiled as Clemson football fans. We lost 3 games, won the rest. We had a bad QB for most of the year also. I expected 2-3 losses this year, and that's what happened. It could have been worse. Furthermore, we got rid of the bad QB, have another 5-star young guy starting, and grabbed another good QB as well.
This season was sub-par, but below our standards is a LONG way from "sucking".
This NIL crap and portal crap is suckimg more than anything IMO.
But the less Clemson there is in Clemson football, the more it will suck IMO. I'm not worried about our year. It was average (for us), and being ticked about average is a good thing.
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Re: I love these posts. They're great really. A sign that we
Jan 1, 2023, 1:53 PM
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It’s hard watching Clemson football fall from being one of the two best programs. It’s especially hard watching seemingly nothing being done to slow or stop that fall. Maybe we should all just be happy with beating everyone in the ACC and losing every time we play a decent team, but I’m not there yet.
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Re: I love these posts. They're great really. A sign that we
Jan 1, 2023, 1:58 PM
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I’d just settle for feeling like my $10M coach disliked the losses more than I do.
The overly memorized historical stat recount after every loss is beyond tedious.
I hate Day and everything about OSU, but look what they did when we kicked their assss a few years ago. Don’t recall him dropping 10 win season stats on the fanbase.
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Oculus Spirit [97738]
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Well, it is what it is, which ain't bad.
Jan 1, 2023, 2:26 PM
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But if best is the standard, it's not the best. All this NIL garbage doesn't help either, for anyone to hope for a consistent team, recruits, players, starters, coaches, etc. Portal as well.
Fans appreciate(d) the continuity and purity of college football. It's why I don't like most pro sports. Players are a merry-go-round, coaches, and even the teams change cities (and names) as well. How do you expect fans to be loyal if the team they're loyal to is loyal to no one?
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It's good that it's over and we can move on with life.***
Jan 1, 2023, 2:26 PM
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