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Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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the Transfer Portal. With the advent of NIL, and the bidding wars for portal players it sparks, not to mention illegal tampering that is going on, it just pushes the portal even farther away from his thoughts.
Deal with it America, AND Tigernet Portal Pumpers. Clemson grows its own talent. And, I got no issues with that. When, or if, Dabo decides he wants to change that philosophy, he will. Butt, until then, no amount of grumbling on boreds like Tigernet is going to influence him. As the Eagles would say, GET OVER IT, GET OVER IT!
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Like a used car lot
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You might find a great car at a great price, or you might get one with issues. It's a much more "known" commodity to have a new car you've owned it's whole life.
I'm very glad Dabo does it the way he does. Clemson doesn't want to get into a "bidding war" with anyone because we don't have the deepest pockets in the room. Dabo does it the right way.
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Re: Like a used car lot
Sep 4, 2023, 11:20 AM
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Hope we are singing the same tune after the 23rd.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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I have no issues with it IF we get the results. Hoping this year is a return to playoff prosperity.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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I have no issues with it IF we get the results. Hoping this year is a return to playoff prosperity.
So you are alright with cheating as long as we win? Got it…
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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Since when is using a legitimate recruiting tool like the portal cheating?
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 11:17 AM
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It’s the way He treated the players that were there!
No He did not cheat but the portal will kill College Football!
Because many many people do and will cheat!
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 12:31 PM
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With NIL, there are also shady things going on with HS recruiting too…. Nothing is immune these days.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 1:09 PM
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Since when is using a legitimate recruiting tool like the portal cheating?
The elite players we would want commit two days after entering the portal which tells us there was tampering. They typically go to schools known for NIL. Upfront NIL does not meet the letter or spirit of the NIL rules. Sure we could get the problem players or the entitled players like the coots or Louisville but those are not the difference makes many desire
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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Our sample size is pretty small since we have extended very few offers from the portal so it is hard to say that as a blanket statement. Dabo is an awesome recruiter and if he applied his skills to the portal like he does for HS, I'd have to believe he would win his fair share. Some of what you say is definitely true, like the way ND got their QB, but I don't believe it happens every time.
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misinformed perspective or you follow a dated set of official rules....
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some you view as precepts that are morally obligatory but in the end they're just self induced handicaps result.
Yeah I'm good w/ cheating and preferably not getting caught—
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I did too When the home grown talent was
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Watson. Lawrence. Higgins. Ross. Etienne. Etc……
Now that it’s Collins. Spector. Stellato. And Earle not so much.
Clemson’s not at the point to where we need to utilize the portal like Colorado did/does, but strategically plucking 1-3 players could’ve enhance some talent deficiencies.
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Re: I did too When the home grown talent was
Sep 4, 2023, 9:27 AM
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Wondering why you chose the highest ranked recruits in past classes with some of the lowest and a walk on for the current team? Past classes also had low ranked recruits and the current team has highly ranked players.
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Because thats home grown now..
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Collins and Stellato are our highest rated veteran WRs right now.
Spector. Stellato and Earle are in our top 8 WRs depth chart. Go back to 2018 (something we all hope to one day get back to) and look at what was behind our starting WRs.
I’m highlighting how far we’ve dropped on our top end AND bottom end. Something the portal can fix if we utilized it. Like I’ve said we don’t need to depend on it but strategically upgrading a talent deficient position wouldn’t hurt this team.
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Re: Because thats home grown now..
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I like the ones we got! It’s funny how you cherry picked the names to use and left others out!
I am all for College Football and the transfer portal as it exists now is ruining the game!
And Deon Sanders is a racist and thinks of nothing but skin color!!!!!
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Oh I agree that the portal is ruining the game, but its here.
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And it’s here for ANYBODY to use to their advantage. It’s also not going away.
Just like smart phones. I wish they were never invented (while there are good things about them) but you really don’t have a choice but to have them or you get left behind.
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Re: Because thats home grown now..
Sep 4, 2023, 10:46 AM
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Seems you conveniently forgot Antonio Williams, a freshman all American last season. Also, Adam Randall, who I think is going to have a breakout year.
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Those two are certainly talented but dont appear to be elite.
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Glad we have them, but let’s not act like they are Sammy Watkins or Tee Higgins.
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Colorado has a first year coach
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who saw 41 players leave the program in 2023. They had no choice but to use the portal. They brought in 51 portal players. That will not be the norm.
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They left Colorado because they were told to go adios.
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But, the talent level at Clemson is light years better than what was at, or what is STILL at, Colorado.
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Im not sure we have a QB as good as Shedeur Sanders
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or a WR as good as Travis Hunter.
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Re: Im not sure we have a QB as good as Shedeur Sanders
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or a WR as good as Travis Hunter.
Pump the Brakes a little Judge. I agree with you on Hunter! And Sanders Son had a very good game, however, when the Dust settles, you will see TCU’s Defense will rank towards the bottom of Pass Defense in all of FBS!
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I wasnt talking about defense.
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Our defensive talent is definitely better than Colorado’s, but their offensive talent seems to be better.
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Re: I wasnt talking about defense.
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Re: Im not sure we have a QB as good as Shedeur Sanders
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QB we do absolutely (Cade and Vizzina both higher rated) and there were certainly no like of eyes on Deion’s kid in HS. WR, maybe not because TH was one of the top recruits in his class and went to play for Deion, not Jackson State or Colorado.
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Let me know when Cade or Vizzina has a college performance
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where they complete 81% of their passes for over 500 yards.
Bonus points if it’s against a top 25 opponent like Sanders’ was.
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Sanders (510 yds) is a better QB than
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Trevor Lawrence…
1st in Clemson history in consecutive completions in a game: 18 completions (Nov. 30, 2019 vs. South Carolina)
1st in Clemson history in passing yards per game in a season: 315.3 yards (2020)
1st in Clemson history in career passing yards per attempt: 8.87 yards
1st in Clemson history in career passing efficiency rating (min. 300 attempts): 164.3
1st in Clemson history in consecutive passes without an interception in a season: 239 attempts (2019)
1st in Clemson history in consecutive passes without an interception in a career: 366 attempts
1st in Clemson history in wins in a season as a true-freshman quarterback: 11 wins (2018)
1st in Clemson history in career wins as a starting quarterback: 34 wins
1st in Clemson history in career winning percentage as a starting quarterback (min. 15 games): 94.4 percent
1st in Clemson history in passing yards as a freshman: 3,280 yards (2018)
1st in Clemson history in passing efficiency as a sophomore: 166.7 (2019)
1st in Clemson history in passing efficiency as a junior: 169.2 (2020)
1st in Clemson history in passing touchdowns as a freshman: 30 touchdowns (2018)
1st in Clemson history in passing touchdowns as a sophomore: 36 touchdowns (2019)
T-1st in Clemson history in passing touchdowns in a half: Five touchdowns (Oct. 17, 2020 vs. Georgia Tech)
T-1st in Clemson history in career top-25 wins as a starting quarterback: Nine wins
2nd in Clemson history in career 200-yard passing games: 27 games
12th in FBS history in career passing efficiency: 164.3
21st in FBS history in career yards per attempt: 8.87 yards
who only had a career single game high of 404 yds, which came against GT.
510 > 404
Sanders is better than Lawrence.
This logic is undeniable… 
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What have Klubnik or Vizzina done in college to support the notion
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that they are better college quarterbacks than Shadeur Sanders?
You bringing up Trevor Lawrence in this discussion is hilarious.
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Re: They left Colorado because they were told to go adios.
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He made a tough call but when losing has become part of the culture you do have to have the courage to blow it up and start over if you want to try and make an immediate impact rather than die a death of a 1000 cuts.
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Re: Colorado has a first year coach
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Actually, 69. Not sure why that number stuck in my head...
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Re: Colorado has a first year coach
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Most of those guys left because Sanders forces them out! He kept one corner back who happens to be white and told him He better play great because He never had a white CornerBack! Can you imagine if Dabo had said that to Deshaun Watson or DJ or anybody at any position?
Deon maybe the greatest nicest guy ever I don’t know!
But his own words and actions as a coach tell me He is a narcissistic racist! ( with all that He was one heck of a ball player and until all His racist garbage was very good as a commentator)
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Re: Colorado has a first year coach
Sep 4, 2023, 12:35 PM
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Did he force them out or simply tell them the truth which was that he intended to bring in better players to replace them? Wasn’t it better that they knew his plans upfront so they could make the best decisions for themselves?
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Re: I did too When the home grown talent was
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I think you need to look up ATM'S ranking bud. I can't remember exactly, but it was up there.
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Re: I did too When the home grown talent was
Sep 4, 2023, 10:30 AM
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#243 overall and #16 at RB. Thanks Mr. Google
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I am absolutely against using the Portal to construct a
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roster in the way that it was done by FSU and Colorado, though self-survival is a strong influence to Coaches in this day and age.
But question?
Should Dabo have a problem with getting a player from the portal if it's someone that he offered as a High-Schooler? What if it's someone he wanted for his program, gave an offer to, but then came in 2nd or 3rd to a Bama or even an FSU?
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Re: I am absolutely against using the Portal to construct a
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If we believe we are a couple of players away from shoring up our gaps and making us better then we should at least consider all of our options.
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100%
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Those pointing out teams that are rebuilding a roster and lost are arguing against themselves. No Clemson fan wants that or even thinks we need to do that.
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Re: 100%
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Apparently some people on this post think we do need to blow it all up and fill it with transfers
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Re: 100%
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I think it’s obvious people believe that a few guys in places of need, are better than having legacy players and walk-ons receiving scholarships. You’re old and dense. Go back to bed.
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Re: 100%
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There is a difference between blowing it up and adding a couple of key pieces when needed. Most don’t have a huge problem with the latter.
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Its not just "rebuilding teams" getting better, though.***
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Re: I am absolutely against using the Portal to construct a
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You do make an interesting point. Last night they talked about how Bell originally wanted to go to FSU but because of all the turmoil in the program at the time, he chose SC. Once he saw the program was on solid footing, he wanted to go back and be a part of it.
To me, that makes a lot of sense.
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From Valdosta... Tallahassee is closest city around there.
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He basically went home.
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How is that working out for our football program?
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Are you happy finishing 10th-15th nationally?
Given the resources we devote to football at Clemson, that should be unacceptable.
Dabo doing things his way is fine if it works, but the last couple of years it isn’t working. People here seem content to blame DJ and Streeter for our issues, but I would argue that Dabo’s unwillingness to use the portal is also a big factor.
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just because you back Brownell getting down on his knees for
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players every year, doesn't mean Dabo has to \, or even should, do it.
Move along.
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Re: How is that working out for our football program?
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Are you happy finishing 10th-15th nationally?
Given the resources we devote to football at Clemson, that should be unacceptable.
Dabo doing things his way is fine if it works, but the last couple of years it isn’t working. People here seem content to blame DJ and Streeter for our issues, but I would argue that Dabo’s unwillingness to use the portal is also a big factor.
Hmmmm
Has the transfer portal helped brad?...
If so... then how you lose to Morehead state?
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Re: How is that working out for our football program?
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Imagine how bad it would be if we didn't have transfers. 10 win seasons anyone?
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Coot trolls gonna coot troll.
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Returned back to ACC champs and Orange Bowl appearance last season - your coots still have never played in a NY6 / BCS bowl game, and it's not going to happen this season ahead either. Beamer Ball! LOL!
It must suck to have to come here and troll Clemson fans like you do with these pathetic dumps and jabs on Dabo, while pumping perennial loser Brown L under the guise of being an actual fan.
Once steeped in coot loser mentality though, I guess it's hard to shake as life progresses.
Go Tigers.
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Youre missing the point.
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Let's dive in then....
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"How is that working out for our football program?" Extremely well. Thanks for asking. There are maybe 3 our of 130 programs who have a comparable or better record during Dabo's time at Clemson. We can discuss this as much as you like.
Are you happy finishing 10th-15th nationally?
Many ways to answer this. 1. You cherry picked the worst finishes in a decade. 2. Yes, I am happy with the floor being 10-15 and the ceiling being national champions. I don't expect a team with our resources (inferior $ to 20+ other institutions) to finish in the top 5 every single year.
Given the resources we devote to football at Clemson, that should be unacceptable.
If you are being logical, and you base your argument on resources devoted, then we are consistently out-preforming our resources. You WISH it was worse than it is because Tigernet has made you bitter.
BTW, FSU had less transfers brought in than LSU this year.
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The point is you're a sad coot troll taking every angle to
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sew discord and throw shade on our program.
You're a phony. Enjoy your also-ran football season, again, looser.
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He fired a home-growed OC and took one from the portal.***
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Nothing wrong with preferring "home grown" and not using the
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portal if it works.
But, if other teams use it to consistently put better teams up against you then you must adapt.
Never say never, it's a curse - especially in this changing landscape.
I will say this, if you're not seeing how the portal is helping a lot of teams then you're blind. I am not saying CLEMSON NEEDS TO DO IT because you win how you win. I am just saying that it does help a lot of teams.
Dabo prefers home grown. Fine, just win baby!
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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I’m totally for relying on developed HS talent 95% of the time but I do feel we could benefit from using the portal when it’s needed.
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You're probably in the majority here.***
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and with the current state of our program that's exactly....
Sep 4, 2023, 10:27 AM
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how we should utilize it.
Now, if we ever drop to where FSU was a short 3-4 years ago talent wise then utilizing a little more to "get us off the floor" would fit.
as of now we really just need 1-3 players for 1-2 position groups.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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I can understand people’s aversion to the Portal. I was against it from the beginning. However, its starting to become a necessity. Dabo owes it to his team to put the best possible players on the field. Some years the team may need more portal players than others. But if right tackle and weakside linebacker are real liabilities on an otherwise great team, doesnt it make sense to get players at those positions that can help the team? Why give up the chance at a playoff position just because a couple players werent as good as you thought? Or didnt develop like they should have? To hold the whole team hostage because of this seems like the wrong thing to do. On the other end of the spectrum, having a team of mercenaries seems wrong as well.
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^^^Probably the best take I have read on it. ^^^
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100% agree.
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definitely the most diplomatic take on it.......
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the same has been said over the last 3-4 years on here, but in a more divisive way.
Regardless of how you say it...........this type of take is SPOT ON!!!!
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Re: definitely the most diplomatic take on it.......
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The take is right but the implication that we haven’t tried is wrong. We have offered portal players (center from UVA that went to MI as an example) but just simply haven’t landed one. We likely have also talked to quite a few where we haven’t “officially” offered. This past year we were just trying to get down to 85 because a few guys stayed so not sure how we go portal (except if you pull back on commitable HS offers you already had out there).
I think the solution has to be going forward that we hold 1-2 scholarships out of our expected HS recruiting classes for the portal.
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We havent really tried.
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Do you honestly believe that Dabo, who is known as a great recruiter, can’t get portal players to come to Clemson? Come on.
Dabo’s heart isn’t in it, and his comments about the transfer portal over the last few years prove it.
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^^ Liar and troll. ^^
Sep 4, 2023, 12:19 PM
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She would love nothing more than helping drive Dabo away from Clemson. She hates the success Clemson fans are enjoying here and what's to come. It oozes from her pathetic coot pores.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 3:22 PM
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Talk some sense into these Hillbillies. Dabo could proclaim that if you don’t eat your own ish out of the toilet bowl, you aren’t All-In, and these folks would dart for the out house. I love the man, but he’s wrong about the portal. Hope he proves me wrong.
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Its not a portal anymore.
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It’s an employment agency.
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Cool, but if you take that stance you gotta keep producing
Sep 4, 2023, 11:01 AM
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wins and CFB playoff appearances. Fail to do that while refusing to adapt and the unimaginable will happen.
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Some of you talk like we only won five games last year. The
Sep 4, 2023, 11:24 AM
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way it turned out, even though we would have gotten embarrassed in it, we were only the Coot loss away from making the CFP LAST year. A game we literally gave away.
See how you feel about things when we win it all this year.
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I think we had a good season last year
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for the talent that we had. Hence the words “keep producing”
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If our worst years in the last decade are in the top-15
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then that qualifies as continuing to produce. People need to have some perspective. There are a handful of programs in the last quarter century who have had a better tenure than Clemson under Dabo. And there are dozens of teams playing with more money.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 11:08 AM
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Well here’s my thoughts on Dabo not using the portal, it’s like saying I’ll never get a smartwatch or smartphone I’ll stick to my dinosaur flip phone, well guess what? I now have both! I find them very useful. Dabo will have to use the portal eventually, to fill in a few weak spots on defense, ST and offense. It’s either that or watch other teams that do use the portal beat you when it matters most.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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Dabo's true secret sauce lies in his unwavering dedication and commitment to the kids, and their families, that he very selectively recruits out of high school, to come here and grow into the best versions of themselves possible. Folks clamoring for him to 'wake up' and 'get with the times' IMO have lost sight of what makes Dabo as good as he is in delivering championship-quality performances year in and year out from his team.
Dabo's foundation here is and has always been built on a rock. His track record shows that he consistently gets more from less, that our whole is almost always greater than the sum of its parts. Such success is achieved through staying true to your beliefs and not veering into areas where the pursuit of a short-term gain creates cracks in that foundation. There really isn't an in between or happy medium there - you either stay true to your beliefs or you jettison them. It's that simple. Some say that's him being stubborn, but at the end of the day I believe it's just fear of being left behind and a willingness to cut corners from many fans when a season or two doesn't go according to their hopes and desires, which is the nature of sports.
Dabo has pursued transfers in the portal. He is selective there of course, and does so in a way that complements his and the team's vision and structure, not something that counters his commitment. Next man up? Remember that mantra? Not something I'm looking to get away from with these boys anytime soon.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 12:48 PM
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His ways worked when the portal didn’t exist but now the portal is becoming the great equalizer and is making bad teams better and some really good teams great.
If we can get back on the playoff run doing it Dabo’s way, no one is going to be upset but we do need to see the results.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 1:32 PM
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I can count on one hand the number of quality talent we've lost to the portal since its inception, none of which didn't have a superior player on the depth chart in front of them, along with someone behind to step up into the role.
Bad teams are maybe better with transfers, but for how long and at what cost? For really good teams to great - the same question. Orgeron got fired a year after hitting the moon with Burrows. I like starting out every year in the top category and letting it ride from there with our boys and the All In team mindset that can't be bought.
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Its not just guys lost to portal......
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Its also includes quality guys who have been injured or are complete busts for one reason or another. Like I said in other thread....this isn't an either/or issue. 85 is already a low number.....you need the quality depth. Sadly, we aren't going to see as many walk-ons get schollys in the future b/c of this....which is a shame. Clemson will tweak its approach---just like summer officials (Dabo railed against that too) b/c it has to in today's environment. Good thing is if we keep having quality signing classes, we will only need to use it sparingly like BAMA...
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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Retention was never the issue. Bad teams go all in because they want a quick fix. Good teams use it to add depth and fill gaps, great teams use it to improve on an already superior product to get to the next level or to stay on the mountain top.
The point is that it is another tool in the kit that can be leveraged and it seems to be effective in a lot of cases. If we meet all of our needs through HS recruiting then we don't need it but NIL is making that a challenge as well.
Time will tell, but it doesn't look like it is going away and more and more good players will be taking advantage of it and so will the better programs.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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Dabo has used the portal. Sparingly, and targeted. He hasn't shied away from transfers outside or pre-portal either - it's been case by case and largely effective, though limited. He obviously prefers the kids he and his staff have spent years getting to know, with some similar exceptions (hello ETN).
My thoughts have been that when NIL and Portal mania settles into its standard groove, Dabo will still have us on the right side of things, with as selective an approach to incoming players as ever, and a loyalty and commitment factor that can't be matched.
Go Tigers.
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LSU had 14 guys from the portal. FSU 12. So....***
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Dabo has changed already...you just aren't seeing it yet...
Sep 4, 2023, 2:12 PM
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Dabo will be using in more in the future.....just like summer visits...he is slow to come around to it.
Again......only need to use it sparingly (like BAMA and UGA) & Dabo is 100% right in wanting most, if not all, players, to be home-grown. But in todays environment to not use it at all is sabotage. Again, Dabo HAS ALREADY changed his philosophy and has tried to use it to get legit. quality--but the method needs tweaking. You will see the results in the future.....
This isn't an either/or thing
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Re: Dabo has changed already...you just aren't seeing it yet...
Sep 4, 2023, 2:39 PM
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Maybe...
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Re: Dabo has changed already...you just aren't seeing it yet...
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When did he try to get legit help? Not Hunter Johnson or The Bear’s grandson. If you wanna count that, fine, but we know they were here as favors to ride the bench. FSU went out and got 2-3 guys that are better than anything we have here already. It’s gross, and it’s BS.
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Re: Dabo has changed already...you just aren't seeing it yet...
Sep 4, 2023, 4:39 PM
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AGreed Freak...he hasn't tried enough...IMO...but he's getting there. There was that MICH OL we missed out on. Could've used a stud WR (like K. Coleman). One thing you got to accept abt CDS...he's stubborn at times, but eventually comes around. Everything in life...I mean everything, needs to be tweaked improved on from time to time. But his basic philosophy remains very solid.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 2:26 PM
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Then why bother paying Danny Pearman $275000 a year to watch the portal?
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 2:30 PM
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Is that the best job in sports or what...
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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Dabo has a chance to prove his way will work. After last night, free agency in college football is hard to argue against. 2 years ago FSU was a sucky 5 win joke. Now 2 portal cycles later they bully LSU in prime time like that? The thing that worries me with Dabo is he is almost religious in his denial of using the portal. And the thing about these portal guys is they are ready to go out of the box, no development required. There is no hit or miss, you know what you have. Unlike a DJ, or some of the recent WR busts here at Clemson. I think we all can admit, and especially LSU, last night was troubling for college football.
Also, Norvell has a very punchable smug little face, and a feminine voice. And Dabo knows he’s a coward.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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76er® I agree 100%.
Folks want Clemson to "keep up with the Joneses"!
The problem is; that those teams out there are "viewing Clemson like we are the Jones and are trying to get where we are"! It's true; whether we win a National Championship yearly or not.
We've taken coaches from Oklahoma, TCU after reaching the National Title Game a Texas H.S. legend. We have - when other schools bowed down to the mighty SEC and Ohio State's of CFB - taken them on - doing it the Dabo Swinney way. And Won!
People; "we are the Jones" have to go to the portal in an effort to "get like us"!
76er is right on with this post.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
Sep 4, 2023, 3:41 PM
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He waits until he “decides” and this whole Clemson sports complex will collapse.
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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He definitely went with home grown with Martavis
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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I’m not sure anyone who doesn’t participate in the portal game, to some degree, can stay consistently in the top ten. The portal is really just gaining steam.
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I believe that's the best way to obtain a majority
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of your players. But he needs to start using the portal to bring in help here and there. It's a resource everyone else is using and we are not. And yes it has cost us games. Last year we got beat by a transfer QB. Same with LSU and Ohio State. If you don't want to use the Transfer Portal, you better not get beat by it.
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I believe that's the best way to obtain a majority
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of your players. But he needs to start using the portal to bring in help here and there. It's a resource everyone else is using and we are not. And yes it has cost us games. Last year we got beat by a transfer QB. Same with LSU and Ohio State. If you don't want to use the Transfer Portal, you better not get beat by it.
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Re: I believe that's the best way to obtain a majority
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How’s that 5* talent beating 2*talent ? Coaching?
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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I’m over it now …7-28 is as real as it gets ….as much as i hate the portal …its time
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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Dabo has already changed his philosophy.... (he has used it...and will continue to try to use it more). This isn't an either/or thing.
By not using it, you are essentially saying we hit on everybody (which is factually untrue AND an impossibility in reality)...with ZERO consideration for injuries, transfers out, mis-evals, dismissals, etc....
BAMA, UGA OSU, our peers, are using it the right way.They sprinkle in when holes (2-4 annually) appear on your roster--which happens to us too. Can't argue the results over the past 3-4 years. Are they wrong? THIS HAS and WILL continue to happen when you only have 85 schollys (low number to begin with) and with more guys that leave.
As Mike Gundy pointed out...
https://twitter.com/max_olson/status/1698906828732616933?s=20
He is not wrong. As said ad-nausem, Dabo is correct, you should recruit the vast majority of your team from the HS ranks. But in today's world, you are handicapping yourself (for no reason) when you choose not to provide your team with proven, quality & experienced depth....WHEN needed.
Dabo was just as adamant about summer official visits....I understand why he felt that way...but he was incorrect and now has it right. No one is perfect and everyone needs to grow and adapt. Dabo finally got it right on that issue and is in the process of changing procedure on this one as well. Its unfortunate it takes him a bit longer than it should.....
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Re: Dabo always preferred to "home grow" our talent vs using
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Weren't we paying players through New Spring prior to NIL anyways?
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