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TNET: Florida State AD releases statement on FSU being left out of CFB Playoff: "unwarranted injustice"
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Lot of truth right there
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Dec 3, 2023, 1:49 PM
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Love the statement. The only item missing was a closing statement that they will be pursuing all remedies available.
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Re: Lot of truth right there
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Dec 3, 2023, 2:02 PM
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More reasons for Clemson to leave the ACC
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Re: Lot of truth right there
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Dec 3, 2023, 2:04 PM
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Yes sir. I would venture to say to say the FSU AD, Coach, president of the university and whole fan base are ticked off. I try to support the ACC( although I think Clemson should get out)and I am ticked off about it.
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Re: Lot of truth right there
Dec 3, 2023, 8:56 PM
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LOL. Phillips and ACC should not have been part of the 12 team playoff boycott a few years ago. Had they not been part of that and delayed the 12 team playoff format, FSU would have been in because the 12 team playoff would have been this year instead of next. ACC only has itself to blame.
The 4 BEST teams got in. It kills me that we have a 13 person committee to decide yet all the so called individual fans want to disagree with there decision!
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Re: Lot of truth right there
Dec 3, 2023, 9:12 PM
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This is truly where the ACC has failed. THEY should be pursuing remedies. In my opinion, they should withdraw from the CFP altogether. What the AD said was true. The CFP committee illegitimized themselves and that is precisely what the statement should: The ACC has decided to remove themselves from the CFP agreement and will no longer participate in the exhibition series. It is clear that the CFP Committee has abandoned objective metrics for Vegas-style prognostication and our member institutions will not participate in such a sham.
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I said 2 years earlier... they may be gone out the ACC tonight.***
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Dec 3, 2023, 2:20 PM
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Re: I said 2 years earlier... they may be gone out the ACC tonight.***
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Dec 3, 2023, 2:54 PM
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That’s flawed logic. Contract law keeps EVERY ACC school stuck in this conference until 2036. It’s quite simple; it boils down to money and every member signed the agreement. IF any team leaves they receive zero dollars until 2036 after paying $125 million dollar exit fee. Name ONE university that could afford to field a football team with only ticket sales and alumni donations as income. Especially for 13 years. Those schools would be forced to discontinue almost every sport because football pays the bills for all other sports. Rarely does a team make enough in basketball to see any black in the ledger. Breaking the ACC contract would be sports suicide for any school brave enough to try to leave. There’s a small chance a school could win the legal battle. But, it would take years to litigate.
The ACC issue is perception. It’s not fact. The ACC is as competitive as any conference. Clemson has more SEC victories than a lot of SEC teams. The SEC is perceived the best because ESPN is directly connected to the SEC No universities trusted the upstart Network back in the day except for a weak SEC. The SEC took a chance on this tiny network from Connecticut and the network has rewarded their loyalty in spades. Every play last night the ESecPN announces were lobbying for Bama to be in over a “painful to watch” Florida State. This entire situation is reprehensible.
I pray FSU AND the ACC sue the CFP, NCAA, and ESPN. Their move cost every ACC school millions in revenue. The FSU AD was spot on in saying the entire season was rendered moot because of subjective future speculation. I’m hoping the expanded playoff ends such travesties in the future. FSU isn’t undefeated UCF of a few years ago. They would have been a tough out against any team in the top four even with Rodemaker under center.
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Re: I said 2 years earlier... they may be gone out the ACC tonight.***
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Dec 3, 2023, 3:11 PM
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OneJedi® Wait, so even if we came up with the $125M Clemson is legally not able to receive revenue from another conference's media rights?
This is a right to work state. Unless we signed off on an exclusivity cause we should be able to pay our way out and re-establish a new contract. But I don't know the exact details so I'd be interested in your take.
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Man that's a tough one
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Dec 3, 2023, 3:06 PM
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Man I'd like to say that this is kharma for FSU bailing on us...but if the shoe was on the other foot we likely would be the ones the victim.
The system is subjective. I'm suprised O310 State didn't slip in. Bowl will be vacated if Michigan wins.
But, most important thing I want to say-Jordan Travis' post is just heart-breaking.
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What do you mean by FSU bailing on Clemson?***
Dec 3, 2023, 5:50 PM
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FSU AD is Wrong
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Dec 3, 2023, 4:04 PM
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I feel for FSU, but the AD is incorrect on a couple levels:
1. College football is not the NFL and has always permitted subjectivity to influence who gets to play for the national championship - pre BCS, during the BCS (undefeated conference champ Auburn in 2004), and in the CFP era. Pure wins and losses have never been the barometer. If we lived in a world where the CFP consisted of 4 super conferences that grant automatic bids to two teams from each conference based solely on Wins and Losses and then wild card spots based solely on Wins and Losses - using objective tie breaker rules, THEN the FSU AD's comments would have merit.
2. Florida State only looked like world beaters against LSU. They nearly lost to Boston College. They nearly lost to the worst Clemson football team since 2010. They struggled against Miami. If they wanted to make it into the CFP, they needed to beat average Florida and average Louisville easily, sans Jordan Travis. I only thought they were a top 4 team after LSU. With each week that passed, they looked less and less impressive (with super senior Jordan Travis). Unfortunately for them and their record, college football has always permitted subjectivity - the opinions of flawed individuals to decide who plays for the title. You can't look average, and only win games, to make it into the CFP.
3. The AD says, "Today, they changed the way success is assessed in college football, from a tangible metric - winning on the field - to an intangible, subjective one. Evidently, predicting the future matters more." That is incorrect. As stated before, college football has never ONLY been about winning. It has always been subjective. FSU AD - Go talk to the real team who deserved a shot: 2004 Auburn. He states that "predicting the future matters more." This is also not true. Had FSU handily defeated Florida and Louisville, then they would have entered the CFP. They could not handily defeat average to slightly above average football teams the last two weeks. A 13-0 record earned in the past was being used against them. The past two weeks showed FSU was not nearly as good as their record 13-0 record indicated they should be.
Again, college football has always used subjectivity to decide who gets to play for the championship and NEVER pure wins vs losses.
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Re: FSU AD is Wrong
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Dec 3, 2023, 5:08 PM
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Can you say Auburn? Alabama should have lost that game, and should be a 2-loss team. Would you still put them in if they did? Wins and losses matter. Why didn’t all of this matter in last week’s poll?
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Re: FSU AD is Wrong
Dec 3, 2023, 5:44 PM
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Re: FSU AD is Wrong
Dec 3, 2023, 7:11 PM
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Not to mention we've already seen Texas-Alabama and know how it turned out.
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Re: FSU AD is Wrong
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Dec 3, 2023, 5:14 PM
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In it’s strictest interpretation, you are correct. Subjective. That is proven when an undefeated non-P5 school doesn’t get a whiff of consideration … other than superficial tripe … to be in the CFP.
Using the combinations of other consideration of strength of schedule, (?) conference champ (?), and W-L record, then you are incorrect and the FSU AD and HC are correct.
Alabama barely eked out their win against Auburn… same Auburn that lost to N.Mexico State. Bama also lost to TX. Sorry. if Bama was coached so poorly early in the season that Sagan played T.Buchner instead of Milroe, then the excuse that they ‘made a mistake’ or ‘would have won had Milroe been QB’ just doesn’t cut it as far as legit excuse to be in CFP vs. FSU.
Ohhh … Bama’s win against UGA erases all of Bama’s sins. BS again. The 2024 UGA team is nothing like the UGA teams of 2021 and 2022. ‘Best player’ Brock Bowers became just ‘good player’ Brock Bowers since his injury. Their defense also stepped back a notch. UGA struggled against bowl-less S.Carolina and Auburn, and also against 6 -6 GA Tech.
Bama is a very good team, but not the overwhelming juggernaut of 2021 and prior years. Beating UGA is like winning the beauty contest against the former two time beauty contest winner who shows signs of cellulite. Reputation (low ‘quality’ subjectivity) triumphs over the high quality ‘subjectivity’ such as W- L record, presence in P-5 conference, and conference champ.
Reputation helps to sell ratings. Disney Corp is having an awful yrs ear financially. Losing hundreds of millions on their movies and no box office hits on the horizon. A big time corporate raider is challenging Disney’s CEO with a board of directors proxy fight. Disney management will stop at NOTHING to save their jobs and (subjective) reputations. Disney needs for ESPN to crank out huge ratings for THIS SEASON’s CFP programming. Disney management doesn’t give two hoots about whether their ‘influence’ in the CFP harms the legitimacy of college football. Disney is betting that the CFP ‘beauty contest’ will yield better ratings than a CFP based on better subjective factors.
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Re: FSU AD is Wrong
Dec 3, 2023, 6:32 PM
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At the end of the day, there were 5 (obviously) P5 conference champions. All of them were undefeated or had one loss. Someone was going to feel snubbed.
Using the final CFP poll:
FSU's ranked wins: LSU (13), Louisville (15), and Clemson (22)
Alabama's ranked wins: UGA (5), Ole Miss (11), LSU (13), and Tennessee (21)
A win against UGA in a void doesn't absolve anyone of any "sin", but when you only have one loss and a better resume than another P5 conference champ, then it may be enough when factoring in the human element of decision making.
Bama beat Auburn, by the way. FSU beat UF. It doesn't really matter how you beat your instate rival. Rivalry games are typically crazy regardless of how good either team is. The conference championship win over unbeaten UGA is far better than struggling against a slightly above average Louisville team.
At the end of the day, the final 4 is a subjective decision based on some objective factors. The FSU AD made statements that aren't congruent with reality the last 50+ years of college football. I don't believe there is a rule that states an undefeated P5 conference champion has an automatic bid. If that is a rule, then the FSU AD has a case.
Is there a rule in college football that an undefeated P5 conference champion receives an automatic bid? Or does a committee decide who enters the CFP after the season is over? If a committee decides then there is a subjective element, and the FSU AD denied this reality in their emotional response to receiving bad news.
Bringing Disney into the equation is a red herring. Just stick with the facts.
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Ok Mr. Sankey
Dec 4, 2023, 7:06 AM
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Let me point this out to you.
Neither TN nor Clemson should be ranked. The fact that they are shows just how biased and subjective this stuff is.
Bama plays in a hyped up conference called the SEC who couldn’t be bothered to have a winning out of conference record by the way.
Both mighty SEC teams that FSU played got beaten by FSU. Who is to say FSU wouldn’t beat Bama? I’m sure they would struggle against Auburn. QB #2 or #3 matters not. Their D is legit!
No undefeated power 5 has NEVER not been in natty contention in both the BCS and CFP era! Is it a rule? No. But is it precedence? Yes. And precedence's exist for a reason. Just like humans don’t eat other humans any more or have sex with their children or any other civilized norm that becomes common sense practice.
Trying to make this committees decision seem logical is the most illogical thing anyone can do. Face it, they just wanted to screw over the ACC. Pure and simple.
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Re: Ok Mr. Sankey
Dec 7, 2023, 11:26 PM
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hufferbilly
College football has determined who (is the national champion pre BCS or) gets to play for the national championship using subjective methods for decades. There were 5 P5 conference champions with 1 or fewer losses. While I agree that a 13-0 team should get a shot at playing for the national championship, that is not the world we presently live in. No one is crying about Liberty not getting a shot at the national championship, and why not?? The only national championship that Liberty could ever play for is the same one that Michigan, Washington, Texas, and Alabama are going to play for. No one cares about Liberty not getting an invited because we are using our subjective perception of weak conference, weak SOS, they would never stand a chance in the CFP, etc.
There are 5 conference champions from the P5 with one loss or fewer. At the end of the day, there were going to be subjective means used to exclude one of the five schools. It hurts the ACC that Florida State did not get invited. I am a Clemson fan and an ACC fan. I don't believe that FSU is one of the top 4 teams. With Jordan Travis, I didn't think they were one of the top 4 teams. They won all of their games. That is wonderful. In a perfect world, FSU and Liberty make the playoffs, since they're both in the FBS. Even if Liberty were to get pounded in the CFP, they should get a shot as much as FSU. Every conference champion in the FBS should get a chance to play for the national championship, pure objectivity permitting each team to play for a title. Why do the other conferences in the FBS even exist if they'll never got a shot to play for the national championship? They should just be relegated back to FCS. Anyway, we can't fix any of this stuff in message boards. However, the FSU AD is outraged, and that is fine, but his words are disingenuous. Being an undefeated team (even in a P5 conference) has never meant you get an automatic bid. Auburn in 2004 was the most deserving P5 undefeated school to get snubbed... and not FSU. There were at least 6 schools (I'm not including Liberty) that all had legitimate claims to the CFP and should have been invited but only 4 were.
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Re: FSU AD is Wrong
Dec 3, 2023, 8:43 PM
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Where does Alabama come into the equation? Alabama is at best average. Several games that they were favored by several touchdowns and did not accomplish that as they had a loss. Again they were favored and just did enough to win- it was not long ago that Clemson did this and dropped from from the number one spot. The right to be in the final four is not one game. Georgia was not the Almighty team that they were made out to be. What it boils down to, is the SEC was not nor will they ever be left out, period
When they go to a 12 team play of three teams will always make it,
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Re: FSU AD is Wrong
Dec 3, 2023, 8:46 PM
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Where does Alabama come into the equation? Alabama is at best average. Several games that they were favored by several touchdowns and did not accomplish that as they had a loss. Again they were favored and just did enough to win- it was not long ago that Clemson did this and dropped from from the number one spot. The right to be in the final four is not one game. Georgia was not the Almighty team that they were made out to be. What it boils down to, is the SEC was not nor will they ever be left out, period
When they go to a 12 team play of three teams will always make it, even a 9-4 or heaven to mercy a 8-5 bama. I can't stand FSU, they were done dirty, period! Not one but two one loss teams are better then FSU🤔
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Apply your illogic to Bama and Mich both shouodnt be there
Dec 4, 2023, 6:50 AM
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Mich played weakest out of conf schedule ever! The B1G has maybe two credible teams and Mich beat one of them. Mich cheated to get here and will have to vacate all their winnings ultimately. Why are they even rewarded with a spot?
Bama barely eeks by a terrible Auburn team, among others, and lost to Texas! There on the field play is not a sufficient resume to jump from 8 to 4 in 1 week.
Sorry, this was a rigged job against the ACC. Fax without the paper!
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FSU isnt even a top 15 team currently. Your performance on the field is ugly
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Dec 3, 2023, 4:07 PM
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They are a shell of themselves w/o their QB. And honestly weren’t real impressive with him.
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Re: FSU isnt even a top 15 team currently. Your performance on the field is ugly
Dec 4, 2023, 7:29 AM
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If your eyeball test was worth a #### you’d be too busy betting games professionally to share such observations. Vegas’ existence is the proof the eyeball test is meaningless and the talking heads, who argue its merit, prove it doesn’t work with their picks every week.
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Technically wrong on the 25years claim
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Dec 3, 2023, 4:14 PM
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2004 Auburn was exhibit A on arguing for the 4-team playoff. At least in that case you had two other undefeated conference champs and two spots available. This year it’s 100x worse - because they effectively declared the ACC worthless.
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FSU mad
Dec 3, 2023, 4:14 PM
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That resume is not impressive but I get the frustration on their behalf. They would not beat any of the four today with their current qb. You need to win by 17+ at BC and at FL...but they did win the games.
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Re: FSU mad
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Dec 3, 2023, 5:18 PM
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Alabama beat Auburn by one of the miracle plays of the year.
The same Auburn team that lost to N.Mexico State the previous week by 10 - 31.
Thus, your reference to BC and FL as diminishing FSU doesn’t work.
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I cannot dispute anything he said
Dec 3, 2023, 5:48 PM
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…it is the truth.
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I realize I'm splitting hairs here, but would there be such a thing as a
Dec 3, 2023, 6:36 PM
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WARRANTED injustice? UNwarranted injustice sounds like an oxymaroon to me.
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Perfect statement
Dec 3, 2023, 6:48 PM
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FSU is and should be irate
4 weeks is a lot of time to get your team ready for a backup QB
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Blame Michigan
Dec 3, 2023, 7:00 PM
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He should be directing his anger towards Michigan, who the NCAA said cheated THIS SEASON yet was still allowed to play instead of having its season cancelled. UM stole FSU's spot, not Alabama.
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^^^Correct! ^^^***
Dec 4, 2023, 7:11 AM
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Re: ^^^Correct! ^^^***
Dec 8, 2023, 12:02 AM
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FSU should win their bowl and then challenge the playoff winner. February game in Vegas. Their hedge fund is on this. Blow it all up.
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