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While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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the last few games, I still found last night's turnout a bit disappointing.
The announced attendance last night was 6,923. I don't believe there were truly that many people in the arena last night, but we'll go with the announced number for discussion purposes.
Given the fact that Littlejohn seats 9,000, that means it was 77% full.
Some of you like to brag about how great our fan base is, and how they will support a winner. Well, we are having our best start to ACC play in program history, and were playing a conference rival last night, yet Littlejohn had a lot of empty seats. Is an arena that is only about 3/4ths full really something to brag about?
I'm sure some of you already have the excuses ready: it was a 9:00 PM start, it was a school night, it was cold outside, we're still waiting on the February football signing day, etc. Or maybe you'll just go with the old standby that it's Brownell's fault for being boring or playing boring basketball.
Again, the increased interest in our basketball program has been great. The fans have really given us a lift these last few home games. It's been great to see! But we can still do better, especially if we want to consider our fan base better than average.
Go Tigers!
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If I didn't live 5 &1/2 hours away I would be at every game
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When I was in school, I attended every game.
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Thanks. You aren't the problem.***
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:15 AM
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Well, then who is the problem? Do you have a list?***
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9pm Tues is hard for many, even those an hour away.
Jan 25, 2023, 3:07 PM
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But no way living in Charleston/Mt Pleasant/Sville, etc Lowcountry, can you make that 4hr drive for 2hr game. With gas, food, tix, etc would cost $400+, on a week night getting home at 4am to make 7am work. That doesn't make sense when can watch on TV for free and not endure pain of wallet and sleep deprivation.
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You aren’t the problem either.***
Jan 25, 2023, 5:14 PM
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Coaching has been the problem.
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Jan 25, 2023, 5:19 PM
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Any other questions?
Get off the fans, Mrs Brownell. We're not the issue here. It's been 100% all on the head coach for the less than mediocre product we've seen most of his career.
Let's face it. If we hired Billy Donlon instead of Brad 13 years ago, we'd have had many more than two tournament wins and two too 50 finishes.
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I'm quite sure you know where Clemson is located.
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Jan 25, 2023, 5:23 PM
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Death Valley would only be about 77% full for a Tuesday night game as well. Clemson is not located in a large metro area... that's just a fact, and it's hard to get fans to make that drive twice a week for a midweek game that starts at 9:00.
Clemson has grown to about 25,000 students. If they want Littlejohn filled for every big game, Clemson needs to find a way to tap into the students to fill the empty seats. I'm not sure how you do that, but there has to be a way for fans to let Clemson know whether or not they're attending so students can be offered the tickets.
Any ideas?
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It has been suggested here that if season ticket holders aren’t using their seats
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they can donate them to students to use. I like that idea a lot.
I would also consider some sort of penalty for owners of seats that routinely sit empty.
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Re: It has been suggested here that if season ticket holders aren’t using their seats
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I sit 2 rows behind home basket and live in Laurens, one hour and 15 minutes away from Littlejohn. I have gotten a hotel room in the area, gotten up at 5:45 to drive to work and drag all day. Week night games at 9PM ARE NOT “fan friendly “ for a fairly rural campus.
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Re: If I didn't live 5 &1/2 hours away I would be at every game
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I did too, and we admitted even back then that sometimes we went to see the other team. I saw Ralph Sampson, Len Bias, and the NC team with Worthy, Jordan and Perkins. Of course we were yelling our heads off supporting the Tigers, but we also were realistic with our expectations.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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You constantly rail at people for complaining about everything, even when things are going well. You do realize you are one of those, right?
Forget the attendance and just enjoy the moment. Your complaints won't add butts to the seats.
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I am enjoying the moment.
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Probably more than anyone else on TigerNet.
But it's laughable that I continue reading posts here, as recently as this morning, bragging about more fans showing up.
Well yes, more fans are showing up, but that's not something to brag about when we are having a historic season and there are still thousands of empty seats in our arena (which isn't huge to begin with).
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Re: I am enjoying the moment.
Jan 25, 2023, 11:23 AM
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It does take time for momentum to catch on, particularly when the consistency in performance has been a bit up and down. They keep winning and more and more people will keep showing up.
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Re: I am enjoying the moment.
Jan 25, 2023, 12:45 PM
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That is the answer. No one expected this great season and it was too late to buy a decent season ticket. If this keeps up then it will be hard to get a ticket. Duke and NC did not sell out overnight but after a proven history.
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"No one expected this great season"
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So, so true. I wonder why?
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Re: I am enjoying the moment.
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How far do you live from Clemson? If hours, it makes a difference. Where are all the students on or near campus? Tuesday night at 9 PM is difficult a couple of hours away.
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Fine, but don't tell me that we have exceptional
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fans who support basketball well when we are winning.
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Re: Fine, but don't tell me that we have exceptional
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If we ate more than a flash in the pan this year it will happen. We have been looking at a flash in the pan for over 12 years. I am now 75 but 12 years ago I was 63. Takes a little while to adjust.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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the game started at 9:00 PM on a Tuesday.
Not exactly easy for most people.
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Exactly as I predicted.
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Excuses at the ready.
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Re: Exactly as I predicted.
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:27 AM
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You call it an excuse and others call it their reality. Thursday night football games rarely have full stands either, particularly when it is not a prominent opponent.
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Do you know what's also reality?
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:45 AM
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Our fan base is average at best when it comes to basketball.
It's time for some people here to admit that.
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Re: Do you know what's also reality?
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I honestly don't see a lot of comments where people are falling on their swords defending us as an outstanding basketball fan base. Most see some excitement coming back and the play on the court is fueling that. I don't think we are focused on our ranking position for fan support; we just want to see the ranking of the team keep going up.
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Re: Do you know what's also reality?
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Were you there? If so do you have kids in school? If a football game were played on a Tuesday night at 9:00pm I’m guessing a large majority wouldn’t be able to make it. Let’s see what happens Saturday before we cast judgement comparing to football.
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Average? I Would Say
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Way below average. There are goobers on here who go out of their way to hate on a winning basketball team. I get the 9 p.m. excuse. What I don't get is closing the largest basketball parking lot right before the season so the football program can have a sidewalk. Clemson has a long history of ignoring basketball.
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I admit I'm being generous saying it's average.
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You're right, it's below average.
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You are more than welcome to leave....
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Seriously. As soon as possible. Maybe Wright State can pay your husband $2.5 Million for 2 trips to the Tourney in 12 years.
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Who the hell are you, Blob Oxford?
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Exactly who do you think you are? Are you some kind of "lunatic"? You seem like a lunatic.
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Re: Do you know what's also reality?
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I have never seen anybody on here try to say pur basketball fan base is one of the best in the nation lol.
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I have.
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They talk about our fans camping out for tickets that one time decades ago, and Digger Phelps saying come that Littlejohn is a really tough place to play.
It’s hilarious that they act like we are the second coming of Cameron Indoor Stadium, if only we won more and our coach didn’t play such a boring brand of basketball.
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You're a liar.
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The camping comments were in response to what happens when we have a good program.
NOBODY ON THE SITE SAID WE'RE LIKE DUKE, liar, but let Duke suck for most of 12 years, and let's see what happens.
Are you ever right about anything?
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You have never seen it because Brad has done NOTHING
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In 13 years. He's pathetic.
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Re: I have.
Jan 26, 2023, 11:57 AM
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12 years of sub par basketball will do that
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Wrong, fan base is strong - leadership is what is missing
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12 years of being at best middle of the pack, with no excitement and a less than interesting coach. One winning streak does not return the fans.
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We've supported a less than mediocre product for 12 years.
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What are you talking about? Other fans would have stormed the ADs demanding a change from the insanity.
It's natural for all fans in all sports to come to the games more when the team is putting out a good product.
It's never been the fans, Mrs. Brownell. It's been the less than mediocre product we've seen for most of his career. Show me more schools with 2 top 40 finishes in 12 years who come out like ours.
Thanks to Coach Donlon, the product has been changed. Hopefully Brad doesn't overtake things anytime soon.
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So Brad finally learned how to coach 13 yrs in...
Jan 26, 2023, 12:34 AM
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And now you call out the fanbase at 9 PM on a Tuesday night? Please stay away from Clemson and our program.
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Enjoy the fact that your husband, boyfriend, lover or
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whatever BB is to you has been able to steal money from Clemson University for over a decade with no ramification. You should be kissing our a$$es you POS.
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Re: Exactly as I predicted.
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I live in Charlotte, NC. That means I would have had to leave work early to be able to have time to eat before the game and then wouldn't get home until after midnight.
Very unrealistic expectations you have.
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My expectations are based on repetitive posts here
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over the years saying that Clemson fans will support basketball great if we win. These posts are typically accompanied by stories about sitting in the aisles for the game against Duke in 1980, or camping out for tickets against Wake Forest when Rick Barnes was here.
These posts are always blaming our basketball team for not being better. If only our team were better, we'd have outstanding fans who show up and are loud.
Well, we are off to our best ACC start, EVER. We were playing a conference rival. And we had THOUSANDS of empty seats in Littlejohn.
As I said, I fully expect the same excuses to be used. And I was right.
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Re: My expectations are based on repetitive posts here
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So you posted to stroke your ego?
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Re: Exactly as I predicted.
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If you are Brads wife as many say then I’m beginning to not like Brad again.?
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Seriously, you're going to pick this argument now? You cra cra judge. If we had 6000 that's fantastic. It's not excuses, it's reality. Now, had it been a top 5 team and the game meant a conference title, it'd be jammed pack.
You do realize 99% of our fabbase live more than 50+ miles from Clemson. And yes, people in Columbia or Charlotte would be home like 2 am. Not excuses, reality.
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Well - he's a 100% verified troll. And in the immortal
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words of our very own CM Shack®
(I'm paraphrasing) - Isn't it sad that he can't just enjoy what is going on but instead has to drop down to ATTENDANCE to find something to whine about. It is really sad . . . .
Hey jk - try and enjoy this - it is awesome - hasn't happened in 13 years. Hasn't happened in EVER.
Go complain somewhere else.
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I'm flattered by your obsession with me, and here I thought
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you said I wasn't cool anymore...but you still seem to hang on my every word...Cute...Can't wait for my @ tomorrow...Maybe it will be clever too
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The Greenville metro area has over 1 million residents.
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We shouldn't need people driving 2-3 hours to a basketball game to have better fan turnout.
I get it, 9:00 PM games aren't ideal. If people decide that it's too inconvenient to attend, for whatever reason, that's fine.
But don't tell me that we have these great fans who show up to support a winner when we are setting records this year and we still have thousands of empty seats at Littlejohn.
Just own it, we are an average at best fan base for basketball. Period.
I wouldn't be complaining about attendance otherwise, but when people act like we deserve a medal for selling out Littlejohn when we are #1 in the ACC and playing a top 25 Duke team at home on a Saturday afternoon, they need to be called out.
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Re: The Greenville metro area has over 1 million residents.
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Most of those million people have no connection to Clemson University. Those that have moved to the area would not have much of a reason to hop on the Clemson basketball bandwagon before this year given our mediocre performance the last 12 years. It's not like flipping a switch that they will suddenly become Clemson basketball fans. Build a quality, consistently high-performing program and we will attract some of those million people that don't already have a Clemson connection.
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I was repeatedly told that Clemson fans will support
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a winner.
Well, we are winning. Now you're telling me that I can't expect the exceptional support I've been hearing about until we win more?
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Re: I was repeatedly told that Clemson fans will support
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Yes, that's the way it works. It took 12 years to lose many Clemson basketball fans that have walked away from our program. They ain't all coming back instantaneously with a good showing for half of ACC schedule for 1 year (after losing to bad teams to start the year). Fandom is not a light switch that you seem to be expecting.
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Silly me, I assumed that our basketball fans were
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excited about our season and looking for a reason to support the team, not standing there with their arms folded looking for a reason not to.
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Re: Silly me, I assumed that our basketball fans were
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Perhaps you should rethink your strategy of denigrating our entire fanbase while presenting yourself as the marketing face of Brad Brownell, Inc. It isn’t working.
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what's eerie is that JKbot can't turn off the Troll function
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even when we are winning.
I mean, it's obvious the winning is all because of Bradley, and so Bradley will get an extension and handcuff Clemson with buyouts so stupidly large that we will be forever stuck with him, so the JKbot should be thrilled.
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We are having a good season in probably the worst ACC EVER..
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Happy our Clemson Tigers are winning but really hope we don't tie ourselves down with this HORRIBLE coach with a long contract.
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Then some of you can get over having high expectations
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:06 PM
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for our basketball program on a consistent basis.
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Re: Then some of you can get over having high expectations
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You’re crying about 6,000 fans at 9pm on a Tuesday night. Against an 8 win GT team? You do realize people have small children, right? You do realize people work 2nd and 3rd shift right? You do realize people live hours away and have to be at work at 7am or earlier, right? Do you live in a dream world? Only the students are to blame in my opinion. They live in campus.
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Re: Then some of you can get over having high expectations
Jan 25, 2023, 12:28 PM
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Sorry, accidental td.
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Of course I realize all of those things.
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Jan 25, 2023, 2:34 PM
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But some of our fans need to stop acting like we have this incredible basketball fan base who will support our team well when they win. Last night is evidence that they won't.
Our fan base is not spectacular when it comes to basketball. They are below average. It's time for them to own it.
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We are a fringe NCAA Tourney team right now. 11-9 seed
Jan 26, 2023, 12:48 AM
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Have you been watching?
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Paul Finebaum = Judge Keller
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Both are “in it for the clicks” and will say whatever will “stir the stink” the most . . . they must be lonely folks to crave attention so desperately.
While I never read his Football Related Posts, as he’s proven his troll-worthy-ness in the arena, I oftentimes read his Basketball Views . . . sometimes I even agree with him on these . . .
However . . . He, like Clemgalalways® stated, “is cra cra” on this line of thinking . . . It is his right to pursue this line of thought, but he should at least post proof that he, himself, was in attendance last night . . . a simple snap shot would suffice.
If he can’t do that, he needs to issue an apology to all for not being as supportive as he should be.
As of this thread, I’ll forgo any future Basketball entries he/she makes. Judge Keller® might as well ignore me also.
Have a Great Day Tigers!!!
(You know who you are.)
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Thanks, I'll keep scrolling past your golf posts.***
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
Jan 25, 2023, 11:43 AM
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well then Clemson should get earlier games. They dont make the heels play football on Thur nights. Clemson should demand earlier start times of the ACC now that we are a player in the conference standings
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:02 AM
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It was 9pm on a Tue.
We had school next day.
It was cold outside.
Rain was in forecast.
Any of the above is a good enough excuse for me to skip a BBall game.
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And I bet you don't claim to be an outstanding basketball
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:22 AM
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fan either.
Thanks for your honesty.
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Re: And I bet you don't claim to be an outstanding basketball
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I watch every game. I'm not driving to Clemson at 9pm on a week night. Doesn't mean I'm not a good fan or don't support our team.
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You do realize basketball is played indoors
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Weather is not a factor in basketball (unless you're playing on a aircraft carrier). Although there was a situation a few years ago when the Littlejohn roof leaked.
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Re: You do realize basketball is played indoors
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Weather is a factor when you have to park in a field. My car got stuck in the mud at Clemson a couple of years ago and I'm not quite ready to do that again, especially not late at night.
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When you live so far away you have to stay overnight and
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take work off to do it, you really have no choice. If I were within an hours drive, I would be at every game! If for no other reason than to give BB a piece of my mind in the other disappointing years. ?
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Whatever
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They aren't excuses, they're reasons. If the place isn't packed on a Saturday or Sunday that's one thing, but weekday games are a different story.
Many of the posters (myself included) have kids (in addition to not living in the area). I guess we're terrible fans because we actually take care of our kids (dinner, practices, homework, etc). If I have to choose between being a deadbeat dad or a "bad fan" I'll take the latter. I guess the team will have to play some games without me.
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You aren't terrible fans at all.
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:25 AM
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The point isn't that people should show up if it doesn't work for them.
The point is that many people here brag about how great our fan base is and how we will support basketball well if we win more. Well, we are winning more, and there were thousands of empty seats last night.
So stop claiming to be an exceptional fan base. We show up for big games when we are winning, and don't show up for less appealing games, even when we are winning. That makes us...average.
Own it. The proof is in the pudding.
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Traveling fans make plans in advance
Jan 25, 2023, 3:20 PM
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Once every 12 years is not easy to plan for.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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You cultists from the lunatic fringe love to be divisive and stir the pot. Why don't you clear your ignore list so this post can get the proper number of TD's it deserves.
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I attended Clemson from VA based on climate & ACC Hoops
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:17 AM
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From 1979 to 1984, I was often on the court with student fans and always at the game, occasionally with dates. From 1985 to 3rd or 4th year of Brownell's tenure, I traveled from Savannah for 2-3 home games per year sometimes with my son. Enjoyed pulling for Tigers vs. Jordan, Perkins, Worthy, Rodney Rogers, Lefty, Bias, Dean, Gminski, Coach K, Dean, and so many greats. Watched Ellis' last game. Loved the Barnes' years. Attended three final fours, dozens of NCAA regionals, multiple once-tough-to-get ACC tourneys.
It became bad basketball. One-and-done talented but immature freshmen from good teams leaving for the NBA vs. Brownell & players who froze up in key games and key moments.
Happy for Clemson Basketball players and fans this season ... and for Judge and his steadfast support of Tiger Hoops. Still not watching but hope this team keeps it going and wins the ACC Tourney!
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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I feel like the 9 pm games the students should pick up the slack. Its a very late end for working people. Most prob live in greenville which is another hour to get home. Although i do love the GRIT after dark… i just cant make multiple 9pms.
What would be great is if the season ticket people could donate tickets to get more students in or move them down to the lower bowl when the game is not well attended. There should be enough students to fill littlejohn.
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The students were great last night
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:27 AM
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and have been since winter break.
I like your idea of more student tickets being available if season ticket holders can't make it.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:21 AM
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I was in from Ohio and went over. Had a great time. People there were good support. Lots of empty seats. If you don't want to go find someone. Lots of good seats were unused and this team deserves support. They are good and play hard.
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Can you please stop?!?!?!?!?
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:25 AM
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Facts:
It was a 9:00, midweek game. That is a tough sell.
It was Georgia Tech 1-9 in the ACC. If you will recall the Furman football game this year. It was not a great crowd. Lesser opponent, rain. Not excuses, facts.
Why can't you look at the positives?
Our next home game against Miami is already sold out.
Prediction: FSU on 2/15 mid week, 7:00 PM, better opponent, much better crowd than last night.
It's like you're setting up an excuse for Brownell if the second half of the season isn't as successful as the first.
Newsflash: It probably won't be. We have some tough opponents on the road. Starting this weekend we play FSU away. Our history there is not good. Games at UNCheat and UVA will be tough outs.
Just enjoy the ride. We're having a great season. We won by double digits last night. Why the need to find a negative?
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I don't need you to tell me to enjoy it.
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:30 AM
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I am enjoying it. A lot!
I wouldn't expect a sellout or close to it last night if I didn't hear so often on TigerNet that we have amazing fans who will support a winning basketball team.
This isn't me looking for something to complain about. It's me believing people who assure me that if we win more we will have great fan support. We are #1 in the ACC, off to our best ACC start in program history, and we still have thousands of empty seats in Littlejohn.
Again, our fan base for basketball is average. It isn't exceptional. The facts support this.
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Re: I don't need you to tell me to enjoy it.
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I am enjoying it. A lot!
I wouldn't expect a sellout or close to it last night if I didn't hear so often on TigerNet that we have amazing fans who will support a winning basketball team.
This isn't me looking for something to complain about. It's me believing people who assure me that if we win more we will have great fan support. We are #1 in the ACC, off to our best ACC start in program history, and we still have thousands of empty seats in Littlejohn.
Again, our fan base for basketball is average. It isn't exceptional. The facts support this.
Our basketball program and coach is average. They are not exceptional. The facts support this. Kind of a chicken or egg conundrum.
Many basketball fans have been turned off by the mostly lackluster performance in the Brownell tenure. You can see many examples of that in this thread. We are having a great year but it's not like those fans are going to turn around over night. Keep building the program in a positive way and the fans will come.
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Sounds like a fan problem to me.***
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Re: Sounds like a fan problem to me.***
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:59 AM
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Sounds like a basketball program problem to me.
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Sounds Like A Fan Problem To Me
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You obviously have not been watching this year.
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Re: Sounds Like A Fan Problem To Me
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Actually I have not missed one televised game this year and I am loving this team. I am enjoying every minute of it. Actually, the really close games (like VT) that send my blood pressure through the roof aren't that fun until the final buzzer with the Tigers on top.  You can find me and few diehard Clemson fans in TAC every game. I live more than 500 miles from Clemson, so I am not able to attend many basketball games until I retire back to SC.
You obviously missed the point in my posts. You don't create instant fans with success for half a season. Fans will come if the program sustains success - both those who gave up and left Clemson basketball fandom and brand new fans. But do not expect it to happen overnight. Using a 77% Littlejohn crowd for a late game on Tuesday against a poor conference opponent to denigrate the entire fanbase is not appropriate.
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That's a GREAT post. Blob and Mrs. Brownell should read it and apologize for
Jan 25, 2023, 6:42 PM
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being the true lunatic fringe.
Those two nutcases deserve each other.
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We have the 5th most ACC wins since 2017.
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Jan 25, 2023, 9:39 PM
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That puts us in the top third of the conference.
We’ve made multiple NCAA Tournaments during that span. We are making another this year.
This ridiculous notion that our fans are waiting to see if we are really good before committing to showing up more regularly us yet another excuse in a long list of excuses. Just stop.
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The only way she'll stop is if the moderators honor the site's majority vote to
Jan 25, 2023, 5:39 PM
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crapcan this trolling hag.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Somebody give that man some cheese with his whine.
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I'm merely responding to claims that Clemson fans
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:02 PM
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support basketball great when we win.
Sharp cheddar, goat cheese, Manchego, and Stilton cheeses are all great in my book.
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Good morning, Joy Keller.
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:38 AM
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Nice of you to stop by and drop a few friends off at the pool here today. I know how important it is for you to try to bring Clemson fans down at every opportunity, so no doubt you would find something to needle folks over during our best basketball start in decades. It is the way.
Keep up the very sad work.
Go Tigers.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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This is a football school, football is the priority, and football will always take precedence
Quit pouting about it and begging for answers to the contrary because they don’t exist.
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Why does it have to be either-or?
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:05 PM
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I believe that we can be a football school and a basketball school.
Some of our fans are evidently too scared to try, for fear that it compromises their identity as a Clemson football fan.
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You are a weird dude.
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:07 PM
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Your obsession with a) clemson hoops and/or b) trolling to start arguments on the internet both seem unhealthy and weird.
I bet you haven't been to a Clemson basketball game in your life.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Judge, here is what I see as the biggest issue with you. You want the same support and passion from fans for basketball as there is for football and that simply is not realistic. If this program had six consecutive Final Four appearances and 2 NCs, winning at least 20 games a year 11 or 12 years in a row, and recruiting Top 15 classes a dozen years in a row, then you would have the hottest ticket in town and all the resources you needed. This is not the reality for basketball.
It is true to say that fan support is increasing as our success on the court is increasing and if that continues in a consistent way, I believe you will eventually see the excitement return that you are looking for but you are going to have to be patient, give it time, and hope this is just the beginning of a consistently good to great program.
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Re: better fan turnout- truth if 10% of football crowd
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came the place would be full. If 9 is a problem find someone who want to go. When I decided to go I was in upper. Would have gladly bought an unused ticket from someone who 9 didnt work for
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Re: better fan turnout- truth if 10% of football crowd
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Teams perform well, attendance goes up. Teams fall off and attendance goes down. If you want a consistently sold-out coliseum you have to build a consistently high-performing team that does it year in and year out. That is how you become a football and/or basketball school.
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Okay, but you’re describing average fans, not exceptional ones.***
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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I don't believe she wants, or even expects, the same type of support for basketball here that football generates. She just wants you to shut your mouth about Brad's poor results here over the years and uses the comparisons between the two to help drive that point home. Brad should never, ever, be held to a standard associated with winning, because it's only Clemson basketball, not football. And with so many fans on here more drawn to football, they simply have no right to expect anything other than mediocrity and the occasional glimmer of hope.
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That's not correct.
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I don't expect basketball to ever be supported as well as football at Clemson. It would take generations for that shift to happen, and would require a monumental change not only in how Clemson athletics are managed at the university level, but also how people view it culturally (e.g., how they spend their free time, how they raise their children, etc.).
I'm totally fine with football being the most important sport at Clemson. What I have a problem with is fans who don't support basketball at Clemson worth a crap, but expect the coach to have us in the NCAA Tournament every year. It doesn't work that way.
Again, I wouldn't expect a sellout or near-sellout for a 9:00 PM mid-week game if I hadn't been told for years on TNet that Clemson fans will support a winning team. I understand the reasons people use for not attending last night, but having several thousand empty seats last night is evidence that we have average at best basketball fan support.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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I appreciate your loyalty to Brad, and by extension, Clemson basketball but I’ll say again, you don’t read the room well. Your comments reek of preemptive butthurt.
I started attending BB games at Clemson in the late 60’s, but the first coach I remember was Locke.
Being an old guy, my gif may not have uploaded, but that is probably representative of the fear of some of the negative posters
I love watching this team. They’re fun, they give great effort and they’ve shown that even with injuries, when one star has an off night, others can pick up the slack. This means that we are talented. The ACC being down does not detract from that. But, I think Brad needs to take advantage of the down league to establish upward mobility. This will only be accomplished by continuing to upgrade talent
If he can do this, I would love to see as our coach for a long time. If he can’t, we need to find someone who can recruit in this new world order
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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I’m not going to a football game either that’s on a weekday starting at 9:00pm being 4 hours away. Call it excuses all you want but some people have jobs.
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Jeez 77% seems pretty good for a mid week game
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ND at NCSU was just about the same - 76%. For a 7:00 game, which is a much easier time to attend for most fans, and in a pretty big metropolitan area.
FSU only got to 73% against their biggest rival - Miami - for a 7:00 game.
I'd say GOOD JOB by the Clemson basketball faithful that showed up to a late game, which was on TV (ACCN), against one of the bottom feeders of the conference.
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Of course it is. On par with any program with a 9PM weeknight start
Jan 25, 2023, 6:45 PM
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against a 1-win league bottom dweller. In fact, one might day it was "exceptional".
Mrs. Brownell is a lonely troll. If it weren't for the attention she demands on tigernet, she'd have nothing at all.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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What's the deal with the grey seats? So many were empty last night. If you can't make the game, sell your ticket!!!
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
Jan 25, 2023, 11:52 AM
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Amen I would have bought one in a heartbeat for last night.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:00 PM
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Tickets were available if you really wanted to go...
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:56 AM
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A 9:00 game on a Wednesday in a rural area like Clemson is not a recipe for a sellout.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:03 PM
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Good news:
We only have four home games left, but three are sell outs.
Bad news:
We have six away games and four are on Saturdays. That will probably mean we will be playing at packed, hostile arenas.
I’m not sure that we can get more fans to week night games. Brownell seems to be going after the student attendance, which is good.
There seemed to be poor attendance last night at Syracuse, Florida State, and NCSU.
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Are those schools in the midst of their best conference start ever?
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Jan 25, 2023, 9:42 PM
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Are they first place in the ACC?
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:11 PM
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I work 2nd shift #######
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i like to brag about how great our fan base is
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:17 PM
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i only go to 1 or 2 bskball games a year
i have 2 kids at Clemson and i told them to go in my stead. Would that count as double or triple participation for me?
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Re: i like to brag about how great our fan base is
Jan 25, 2023, 12:22 PM
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Everyone knows Clemson is a football first school. I haven’t seen anyone argue that point. As far as your endless whining that someone said Clemson fans will support Clemson basketball if they are winning, that is correct and everything is relative. How many fans do you think would have shown up last night if we were 5-5 in the conference and in 10th place (which is about average for our b-ball team over the last 10 years)? Fans are supporting more than in previous years. More fans like me are also watching on tv. Basketball season tickets are a pretty demanding commitment and this team historically just hasn’t earned the trust most people need to make that commitment. That is reality.
If in your mind we have an average fan base when it comes to basketball, it is because we have had an average at best basketball team historically. I haven’t seen anyone try to tell you different. Most are just trying to tell you to stop whining and trolling and enjoy the success we are having this year without dragging others into whatever drama you create in your mind. If there is a Mrs. Judge Keller, I really feel sorry for her. Don’t understand why you must incessantly troll Clemson fans at every opportunity. Must be true that misery loves company
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
Jan 25, 2023, 12:55 PM
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You tell her. I’m so mad I can’t?
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If you're not already on her ignore list, you will be soon.
Jan 25, 2023, 5:43 PM
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I've noticed the more factual you are in rebutting Mrs. Brownell, the quicker she'll put you on ignore. She has me on ignore, but I'm 100% positive she reads the comments with one of her many handles. At least one of them has posted in this thread.
Good post. Expect the ignorage shortly. Notice she has ZERO reply to that good post.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:56 PM
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Start time and opponent were the issues for this game. Had it been UNC or Duke the place would have been packed with a 10pm tip.
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even the Dean Dome has lots of empty seats for 9'ers
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Jan 25, 2023, 1:05 PM
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lots of empty seats for the 9 p.m. WFU game last week
as several mention above
there are Reasons not excuses - for not attending a 9 p.m. weekday game...
heck, my wife won't go and we live 5 minutes from LJ so i end up going by myself.. i usually can't even give away my other seat
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9PM games are ridiculous though
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Jan 25, 2023, 1:13 PM
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I know it’s for TV, but it’s impossible for parents to take kids or for anyone that lives more than an hour away
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Jan 25, 2023, 1:17 PM
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Tuesday at 9 pm is tough. Especially since it’s on TV. Heck, even football can’t come close to selling out a Thursday night game that starts at 7 pm. It is what it is.
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Trolled for clicks should be the title of this thread!
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Jan 25, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Good job JK!
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Were you there? You always skirt that question when asked.***
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
Jan 25, 2023, 2:22 PM
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I already knew the attendance from reading the box score.
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I think that number is tickets sold, not ##### in seats...It
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is usually way over the actual number of people in attendance, there have been some games where we were close to half the announced number
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Re: I think that number is tickets sold, not ##### in seats...It
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no doubt about it - it's tickets sold
there is no way in h#!! there were 7000 in there last night - the upper arena sections (other than the student sections) were less than 1/4 full
just looked at the stats for the USC Upstate game and the listed attendance was 5000 - i assure you there were less than 3000 in there
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
Jan 25, 2023, 2:38 PM
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So are you at every game? Just curious.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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^^^^^^this question hasn’t been answered yet. If there, prove it.
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Brownell sucked the oxygen out of the program
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Jan 25, 2023, 3:10 PM
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Leaving primarily a core group of supporters to spend time and money going to games.
It is not a simple light switch - to turn back on the people who he ran off thru the years.
Yes, they will come back by three things.
1. Winning/ competitive
2. Fun to watch - interesting
3. A leader who builds program and relates to the fans.
None of the 3 are Brownells strong suit.
One good season does not bring in the casual fans. Fans who spend time and money.
JK - don’t blame Clemson fans - blame Brownell. 12 years it took to have a strong start with a struggling ACC.
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Re: Brownell sucked the oxygen out of the program
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Jan 25, 2023, 3:27 PM
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And the magic spark was a couple assistants that he’s known since UNC-W. That only cost a couple hundred thousand more than we were already spending. This was the pie in the sky, massive institutional support move that took 12 years to figure out?
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Re: Brownell sucked the oxygen out of the program
Jan 25, 2023, 10:05 PM
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I personally think Brad bought the book. Basketball for Dummies!
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You need to pick your battles here
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Jan 25, 2023, 3:48 PM
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Because being upset about 7,700 for a:
- Tuesday night game,
- 9pm tipoff,
- vs 2nd worst team in the conference
Really comes off petty and immature.
We had over 7,000 people there, won by 21, and moved to 9-1 in the conference for the first time and this is what you want to cry about??
C'mon man...
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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I also wonder why the ire of this post is directed at the season ticket holders who couldnt make the niner. You dont know how many times ive sat in my own stadium of littlejohn surrounded by dookies or tarholes chanting louder than our fans.
Im my mind it is a much worse offense to sell to opposing fans than it is to not be able to make a niner.
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Yet again,
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Jan 25, 2023, 5:16 PM
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Play well and they will come. Fans and facilities have NEVER been the issue. Coaching has.
We did great for a 9:00 game on a weeknight. There's nothing wrong with Clemson fans, Mrs Brownell. Stop trying to bring down everything about Clemson except your husband.
Stop your bit ching about fans, and realize Billy Donlon is the difference.
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Re: Yet again,
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Another 9pm Tuesday game against GT is not an excuse for ~ 75% capacity. It’s the actual bonafide reason. Only the amount of students in attendance is a legit variability. The rest is basic demographics of who is within reasonable proximity to attend.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
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Jan 25, 2023, 5:27 PM
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9:00 tip on a school night.
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Sheesh.
Jan 25, 2023, 8:51 PM
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You just cant count on people anymore.
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"it was a 9:00 PM start, it was a school night"
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Jan 26, 2023, 12:16 AM
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Well let's see. Late start, on a Tuesday night, against a near last place ACC team. Check. It's not any more complicated than that. But you keep your offended troll arm strong. Sad.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
Jan 26, 2023, 6:49 AM
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I thought you did a good job listing the reasons for not making it to a mid-game. YOU must not have young kids at home.
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
Jan 26, 2023, 6:51 AM
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Being the middle of the week at 9pm might have something to do with it
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Re: While I am pleased that we've had better fan turnout
Jan 26, 2023, 7:55 AM
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It’s been mentioned but never missed many while I was in school or lived up there… but you have to remember Clemson is not in the middle of the state and it’s a haul for most fans to make a 9 pm tip on a Tuesday night. IMO that’s the only reason… it’s hard for ppl to make midweek travels without taking time off work which a lot of us don’t have the fortune to just do whenever they want. I think you were bored and just wanted to start a convo bc the sat games have been electric , if they weren’t I would agree with you but come on it’s normal
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I think I speak for TONS of folks on here - we don’t really
Jan 26, 2023, 8:15 AM
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give a flying, flaming rat’s patoot about whether you are or are not “pleased” about anything having to do with Clemson.
We don’t care. Your schtick is old & tired & tiring and you are purposefully dividing.
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