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Cade's fumble, scoop and score, against FSU.
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Oct 12, 2023, 3:22 PM
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I watched an analysis on youtube of the play. It was from the FSU perspective. Talked about what went right.
1. It was an audible call, right before the snap.
2. It was unexpected, the defender is a LB who came from way outside, virtually playing where a corner would.
3. The MLB also blitzed. He drew the attention of the tackle and the RB, Mafah, leaving no one to block the outside blitzer.
But, from a Clemson perspective, here is what I noticed. I saw it from the "all 22 camera" and from the "tight endzone" camera.
Here is what I saw:
1. Blitzer comes at the snap, no hesitation at all.
2. Cade NEVER looked to his right. He was locked on to the two receivers who had lined up on the left, and both were running patterns outside the hashmarks.
If Cade had looked to his right, it would have been an easy play.
Clemson had two players lined up on the right. One was Collins, not sure who the other one was. Collins defender had him in press coverage with no deep help, because the only other defender was the safety who was at least 15 yards off the line and having to cover the slot receiver who was left uncovered by the blitzer who eventually hit Cade.
I froze the picture (all 22 and tight end zone) when the blitzer was 10-12 yards from Cade. Cade was in throwing position, just looking to his left.
1. Collins had a step on his defender as he ran a slant.
2. The other receiver had crossed under Collins and was open for a 10 yard curl.
Either throw could have been made. I think the easier throw would have been to fire it into Beaux on the slant.
I'm no QB coach. But, I'm sure this was a teaching moment in the film room. Cade has to at least glance to his right at the snap. If the blitzer isn't coming, he can sit in the pocket and look to his left knowing no pressure is coming on his right. Seeing the blitzer, he has an easy completion.
All he had to do was glance to his right at the snap before going to his progression, which clearly started by looking to his left.
Tough lesson to learn. But, I bet he never forgets to look to the "off side" at the snap again.
Note: I wish I knew how to do a screenshot. I would love to show you the two screenshots I froze where you can see what I tried to explain above.
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Re: Cade's fumble, scoop and score, against FSU.
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Oct 12, 2023, 3:24 PM
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Don't worry, it felt like it was in slow motion to all of us live. So we saw everything unfortunately.
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Re: Cade's fumble, scoop and score, against FSU.
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Oct 12, 2023, 3:26 PM
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It was the difference in the game, great defensive plays always change the best games.
It was a slugfest until the very end!
Both teams played pretty good ball!
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and we had the momentum and looked like we were about to go
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Oct 12, 2023, 3:57 PM
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up by two tds that drive. That one lost the game for sure.
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I see no mention of portal in your comment
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Oct 12, 2023, 3:59 PM
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surely you have not had your TNET credentials updated properly!!
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Re: I see no mention of portal in your comment
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Oct 12, 2023, 4:21 PM
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Ole Mike is correct ...... when talking about the Seminoles, after first mentioning FSU, it should always be followed by "who incidentally have 81 portal players on their roster, including 22 starters".
Be forewarned!
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Great plays are the ones that work.
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Oct 12, 2023, 4:33 PM
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It was a "great call" by the defense because it worked.
If, on the other hand, Mafah had picked up the blitzer and/or Cade had seen the blitzer and threw the ball to Collins who got 30 yards, maybe even score, on the slant, Noles fans would have been screaming, "What a stupid call! How do you blitz from that far away with a LB?"
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Re: Cade's fumble, scoop and score, against FSU.
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Oct 12, 2023, 6:59 PM
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Not the only difference, a made I think it was a 39 yd field goal, and the game wouldn't have went to OT. Just saying, special teams are usually game changers in all close games!!!
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Re: Cade's fumble, scoop and score, against FSU.
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Oct 12, 2023, 3:51 PM
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Great analysis, thanks for taking the time to break it down and share.
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Re: Cade's fumble, scoop and score, against FSU.
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Oct 12, 2023, 4:03 PM
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I'm no QB coach. But, I'm sure this was a teaching moment in the film room. Cade has to at least glance to his right at the snap. If the blitzer isn't coming, he can sit in the pocket and look to his left knowing no pressure is coming on his right. Seeing the blitzer, he has an easy completion.
All he had to do was glance to his right at the snap before going to his progression, which clearly started by looking to his left.
Tough lesson to learn.
Nice analysis. I'm not a coach either, but agree. Not placing the blame on Cade. But, this point goes hand in hand IMO with the fact that he also stares down the receiver he plans to throw to, increasing the chances of an INT. He needs to "look off" defenders, and if he is scanning the field, the chances of good results increase, and likelihood of bad results decrease.
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let me correct that for you: "DJU stares down his receivers"
Oct 12, 2023, 6:58 PM
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oh wait, are we not doing that anymore??
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Let me move on please bretfsu
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Oct 12, 2023, 4:03 PM
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I had almost put that far into the remote spaces of my mind, then this.....
However, the main thing that happened was your defender made a GREAT play and Case was very unaware of his surroundings. A QB must "feel" the pressure, does not actually have to see it but expect it because he was back there long enough to have expected some pressure for sure.
Cade locks in far too often, and defenders have missed multiple interceptions (see Syracuse, 2 passes that hit LB in his hands) but I digress.
Now that this is back on my mind, I will be sure to integrate it into conversation at the :
****Inaugural Cade Klubnik TNET Hikeathon****
c u all there
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Re: Cade's fumble, scoop and score, against FSU.
Oct 12, 2023, 4:06 PM
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If he doesn’t check the offside going forward, then he’s not learning from his mistakes, and that in itself would be the biggest issue. I do believe he’s learning though, and obviously getting better.
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Re: Cade's fumble, scoop and score, against FSU.
Oct 12, 2023, 4:12 PM
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alot of the narrative was around shipley should have been in instead of maffah but if cade did call an audible he should have been a little more aware, he didn't even glance at all to the right side at any point, huge play by fsu.
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The audible was by the FSU defense.
Oct 12, 2023, 4:26 PM
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The MIKE was supposed to blitz, but not the outside linebacker. Just before the snap the safety called an audible calling for the outside LB to blitz also.
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Mafah is not responsible for a covered hat, Mafah...
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Oct 12, 2023, 4:23 PM
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is 100% responsible for any and all uncovered hats = HOT.
The play is a switch pattern, see left, with hopes of attacking the out and up sideline shot most likely. Spread teams like to take shots on the plus side of the 50, because of the demic issues as they approach the end line. See Clemson red zone 2023.
Mafah 100% whiffed his assignment, HC confirms in post game.
Mafah has one job, which involves his head on a swivel as he immediately squats after the mesh. He did not, gets his QB blown up, sir! and costs his team 6.
His release into the DE that had dropped was an option release only, and only after all hats were accounted for pre-snap and post, he failed miserably.
Clemson's OL stoned this play, RB betrayed them. HC confirmed post game.
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I agree, Mafah blew his assignment.
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Oct 12, 2023, 4:30 PM
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I didn't mean to infer he didn't. Mafah made the same mistake as Cade. Mafah looked at the MIKE blitzing and never looked to his right.
All I'm saying is, look at your picture. If Cade glanced to his right, he sees the guy coming and immediately goes to a hot read and hits Collins on the slant (the vacated area by the blitzer).
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Cade made no mistake. Cade 100% knew the play...
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Oct 12, 2023, 4:35 PM
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the assignments, including his RB having any HOT and in the process the responsibility of protecting Cade's arse.
The switch hasn't even had a moment to develop in this shot, they just left the LOS and the LB is <1.5 from killing him?
Do you want to say Cade's trust in Mafah to execute the play was misplaced?
Have at it.
HC confirmed post game.
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BRETFSU..
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Oct 12, 2023, 6:24 PM
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this makes me sick, again.
7 points worth!!
LOL you ole Coot; meant NOLE!
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Re: BRETFSU..
Oct 12, 2023, 9:48 PM
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As bad as it was at least Cade wasn't hurt. I do worry about the wear and tear on him having to chase all these guys down he fumbled to. It has to be very tiring
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Cade's not looking left, nor staring down a receiver at the
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Oct 12, 2023, 7:01 PM
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point of this picture.
He's staring down the Safety to that side, hoping to hold him in the middle of the field. Standard protocol. No reason for him to check right - that's not where the play was designed.
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You are correct.
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:03 PM
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He is looking at the safety, who is on the left hashmark.
1. Mafah made the mistake. He had the responsibility to pick up the blitzer, but for whatever reason, he didn't.
2. But, if Cade had scanned the field, just glancing to check to the right, he would have seen the blitzer coming.
Look at that picture. There are 9 Tigers in the frame and 10 Noles. The three not in the picture are off screen on the right. 2 receivers and only one defender. The other defender is the safety who is 15-20 yards from the two receivers. If Cade had seen the blitzer, he would have seen he had an easy completion to his right. Even if Mafah picks up the blitzer, the right side of the field is where the open receiver is.
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