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You can blame Barker for the lack of students.
Feb 19, 2014, 5:29 AM
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Barker's major initiative was getting Clemson to Top 20 status in US News rankings.
To do it, drive admission standards way up, the result, a school full of "brainiacs" and students who have to study. Yes, this is a university and this is what you are supposed to do.
But, Clemson has changed dramatically compared to when you and I were there.
Just look around at the type of students you see. (Of course not all of them)
Many of these students do not care, or do not have time to enjoy things many of TNET readers may have when in school.
The interesting thing will be to see if there are any long term effects, such as alumni giving, season ticket buyers, etc.
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Uh, NO.
Feb 19, 2014, 5:51 AM
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I blame Barker for improving academic excellence but not student participation. They are not related
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Re: Uh, NO.
Feb 19, 2014, 5:54 AM
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Sorry, I disagree, the students that I know at Clemson are spending much more time studying than when I was there.
Thus, there is less time to do some activities.
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Re: Uh, NO.- I blame Bush for creating a climate
Feb 19, 2014, 7:56 AM
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for Barker to be blamed. 
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Yes. They are.***
Feb 19, 2014, 9:41 AM
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It's just the 'selfie generation.'***
Feb 19, 2014, 7:05 AM
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Re: Your better students will more than likely go on into
Feb 19, 2014, 7:43 AM
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higher paying professions and likely to contribute more to the university. It will only take a few big earners to help. Remember, Clemson is at a disadvantage in that it does not have a med school, etc. It is a gamble but I lean to the Barker approach. Lets not forget what these kids are there for.
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Re: Your better students will more than likely go on into
Feb 19, 2014, 8:22 AM
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No if they don't go to games what makes to think they'll give later?
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Re: Your better students will more than likely go on into
Feb 19, 2014, 8:37 AM
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He said "contribute more to the university". IPTAY isn't the only way to give money to the university. It's not even the most beneficial way to contribute, from an overall student and university perspective.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Bu Bu Bu....what about Duke?
Feb 19, 2014, 7:49 AM
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Your theory sux.
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How many national championships do they have?
Feb 19, 2014, 7:52 AM
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It is easy to support a winner.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Chicken or egg?
Feb 19, 2014, 8:29 AM
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You don't REALLY believe we cannot get students to games because they are smart do ya?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't USuCk the same
Feb 19, 2014, 9:41 AM
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school that claims to have sold out every game during 0-21 or some crap like that?
How many national championships does your football team have? How many SEC championships does your football team have?
I realize USuCk's academics cannot be compared to the likes of Duke and Clemson, but the championships excuse is pure crap.
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Re: Duke has always been Duke
Feb 19, 2014, 8:08 AM
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I think what gets me is him being hoodwinked into thinking UNC was something to be admired. You'd think in that position he'd know better
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Rock Defender [54]
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Seriously. We cannot get students to games
Feb 19, 2014, 8:30 AM
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because they are smart. Think about that.
Do you really believe this?
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Asinine.
Feb 19, 2014, 8:31 AM
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Anyone who "blames" a university president for improving the academic standing and quality of student of that university is a Grade-A moron. I think the word you are looking for is "credit."
Can we PLEASE stop acting like Barker tried to turn Clemson into a "Duke"? Not that being a "Duke" is a bad thing, but this conversation is otherwise laughable. Barker tried to get Clemson to be a "Georgia", "Florida", "Ohio State" or "UConn". Those are schools are #20 in Public Universities. Hardly Harvard, Duke, or Stanford.
Clemson should strive to be the best public university it can be. Doing so will have the best impact to the university, the state and beyond. Independent of that, we should strive to have the best sports programs we can have while maintaining our integrity. Those two goals are not mutually exclusive and to think they are is laughable. IF they were, any university president worth a dollar would accept a mediocre basketball program.
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How does inequality in education in the state high schools
Feb 19, 2014, 9:24 AM
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play into what Clemson should or should not do to serve the state as a public university? If admission standards block many of the citizens in our state who live in the rural areas from attending the state public institution of Clemson because of their educational standards then where do they go? And that is the rub. Clemson is spending a little to combat this problem in places like Allendale, Hampton, Jasper, and Bamberg counties and that is to be applauded but how many students from South Carolina who might have gone to Clemson in the 80's or 90's now chose to go to USuC?
I like the improvement but there are ALWAYS drawbacks and things to consider and not a blind praise that all is better. JMHO.
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A couple of comments:
Feb 19, 2014, 10:27 AM
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#1) My main objection to the original post is the very idea that President Barker should be "blamed" for pursuing better students because of something as small as basketball attendance. The idea is insulting. As if a university admissions board should sit around and say "Look, guys...attendance at basketball games is dropping...we'd better start letting some dumber kids in to fill those seats."
#2) "If admission standards block many of the citizens in our state who live in the rural areas from attending the state public institution of Clemson because of their educational standards then where do they go?" I'm not sure why rural schools get preferrential treatment but what role Clemson plays in improving high schools in any part of the state is a completely separate issue. Tons of kids who might have gone to Clemson in the 80s and 90s will now go to South Carolina. Clemson is a better university and if you don't have the grades, you don't get in. It was the same in the 80s and 90s, but at a lower bar. But since 1982 undergraduate enrollment has increased about 70% and since 2000 it has increased 20%. The ratio of out-of-state to in-state hasn't moved much. So I would argue that the university is doing just as good of a job in getting in-state students as it did back in the 1980's and 1990's, and arguably better than it did when you consider how many more students we admit.
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Legend [19210]
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Agree with your first point.
Feb 19, 2014, 10:36 AM
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We will have to disagree on the second point because I am one of those students who got into Clemson from the rural areas and blossomed there. I am thankful for my Clemson diploma and my experience at Clemson in the late 1980's. I got a great education I would not have had otherwise. I knew a lot of students at Clemson like me at the time. I hate that some now will not also get this chance. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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"Reasonably Competitive" was the mantra***
Feb 19, 2014, 8:52 AM
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That's absurd
Feb 19, 2014, 9:10 AM
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Some of the best students I knew at Clemson spent a lot of time studying ahead of time to give themselves time to attend sporting events. Furthermore, look at Duke basketball...you gonna tell me the students at Clemson work a lot harder than those at Duke?
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Re: You can blame Barker for the lack of students.
Feb 19, 2014, 9:14 AM
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This guy is trolling. I'm not even gonna debate this bc your premise is absurd.
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Barker is not president anymore...***
Feb 19, 2014, 9:26 AM
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CU Medallion [51559]
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I think he's talking about things Barker initiated.
Feb 19, 2014, 9:32 AM
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Don't think to hard about that one.
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I graduated in '09 and stayed in the area until '12
Feb 19, 2014, 10:48 AM
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and this is just flat out wrong. Earlier in my stay at school, I had two jobs and was in Tiger Band, yet I still made time for the fun stuff.
Later on, I cut it down to one job but swapped Tiger Band for Clemson Crew, which was even more time intensive (2+ hours 6 days a week). I still had time to goof off and go to the occasional basketball game.
It's silly blaming the students for not showing up. They get crap seats, the athletic department doesn't market the games at all ("there's a game tonight? oh."), and the product isn't very good the last two years.
Brownell is doing a great job, but we're definitely rebuilding, and sometimes a bit hard to watch (offensively). I expect this to improve over the next few years, as will attendance.
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