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So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:41 PM
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playing for the ACC title, which would put them in a position to play for the national title for the 7th time in 10 years.
So many of you are so right: This program is trending in the wrong direction.
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:44 PM
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Get real. We are the biggest frauds and it’s apparent to everyone.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Troll handle.
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:45 PM
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Didn't read.
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Paw Master [17093]
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Speaking of troll handles, what handle did you use before this one?***
Dec 1, 2024, 9:42 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I've always been me.
Dec 2, 2024, 11:16 AM
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Just not for very long.
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:44 PM
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I just can't imagine this board back in the 2000s. I'm glad I was young and not on here then.
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Game Changer [1613]
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I remember it and it was just as divided as it is now with pro-Bowden and
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:48 PM
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Anti-Bowden posters. Glad the Fire Bowden crowd finally won out or we’d still be mediocre and glowing about our “Fine Christian Coach”.
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All-TigerNet [5907]
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Re: I remember it and it was just as divided as it is now with pro-Bowden and
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Dec 2, 2024, 11:29 AM
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Coot alert
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Associate AD [1029]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:03 PM
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It was far, far better. Clemson fans were far, far better. The overall experience was better. The results were far worse.
It’s still awesome now but it’s not the same. Inevitable with as much success as we’ve had I suppose.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Yes it is indeed ironic that
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:13 PM
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those who today whine about Dabo Swinney would've in 2008 given their eye teeth if necessary to land a Dabo Swinney.
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Head Coach [935]
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Thats a bit revisionist
Dec 1, 2024, 8:05 PM
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There was a time before the Nat Champ that his seat was getting pretty warm. And that C word was stil a thing.
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110%er [3897]
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Re: Thats a bit revisionist
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Dec 1, 2024, 8:08 PM
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That’s what he is saying. In 2008 people were unsure about him and would have given anything to land what we have now in Dabo.
Also he is the one who killed that C word
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Re: Thats a bit revisionist
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Dec 1, 2024, 8:39 PM
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Dabo had his 5 year losing streak to S.Carolina begin in 2009 season.
That streak ended in the 2014 season, a year in which we lost (again) to GA Tech.
That Clemson AD didn’t fire Dabo prior to 2015 was because, starting with 2011 season, Dabo made big adjustments to elevate our program. The fruit of those changes wasn’t fully ripe until 2015.
Patience is a virtue.
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Game Changer [1613]
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Hope we win, but if we lose, we may be unranked and definitely
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:45 PM
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Would finish unranked if we lose our bowl so, yeah, we might be trending in the wrong direction.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Some people can't be helped***
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:53 PM
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Game Changer [1613]
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But some teams can be coached better.***
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:59 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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That is correct.
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:22 PM
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Thank goodness Clemson is not one of them, otherwise how could they be playing in their 10th ACC title game in 15 years/7th CFP berth in 10 years?
I guess you see that as a function of luck. And that's your prerogative.
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Game Changer [1613]
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Not a function of luck. From 2015 to 2020, we made the Championship 100%
Dec 1, 2024, 7:54 PM
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of the time. After 2020, we’ve made it 50% of the time which suggests we are trending down. I blame coaching because that is what has changed the most since 2020.
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Re: Not a function of luck. From 2015 to 2020, we made the Championship 100%
Dec 1, 2024, 8:47 PM
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When one has a sense of entitlement, patience is one of the first virtues to be diminished.
The college FB game is changing in ways that restrict Clemson’s ability to compete at the highest levels. Dabo is extraordinarily agile (mentally and energy-wise) in positioning Clemson FB to navigate those structural changes in CFB so that Clemson remains in a position to compete.
Our entitled fans are too impatient and emotionally driven to step back for a minute or two and contemplate what’s going on in the world of CFB.
(Hint: ‘Using the portal’ is not a thoughtful statement or piece of advice. ‘Using the portal’ is analogous to be beeching at Danta Claus to bring more and better toys.)
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I wonder how many donors, boosters and fans of how many programs
Dec 2, 2024, 10:22 AM
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in the land would count making even their CONFERENCE championship 50% of the time in a four-year period as a negative trend. (Nevermind the CFP.)
Again, it goes to this idea that so many Clemson folks have lost a sense of proportion around the football program.
Nobody expects basketball to win anything. But a good number of fans not only want and expect football to win everything, but to win everything in dominating fashion. No mistakes, no bad plays, games, or play calls.
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Orange Blooded [2304]
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Re: Some people can't be helped***
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Dec 1, 2024, 8:46 PM
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They will belly ache no matter what you say. Just glad it ain't my belly lol.
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Re: Hope we win, but if we lose, we may be unranked and definitely
Dec 1, 2024, 8:50 PM
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Our team’s got nothing better to do than keep playing FB and see where it takes us.
We get to play more games instead of just one in the Compost Bowl.
Go Tigers!
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Game Changer [1942]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Pick that head up out the sand before you run out of air haha come on man… are we happy about the opportunity, absolutely and hope we take advantage of it… but to act like this program has not regressed big time (especially on defense) you aren’t paying attention … and if you wanna talk about trending look at recruiting for 2 seconds … again I’ll be super happy to win the acc and make the tourney but if you don’t see it “trajectory” I don’t know what to tell you… we just lost to a subpar instate rival 2 of the last 3 years , one that we had way more talent than but coaching cost us. I think a few changes in philosophy and a couple better hires and we are talking about actually competing in the playoffs… do you have any confidence that this team with a wins at can go to oh state or nd or Penn state and win a game ?!
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Wouldn't take the time to poast if I didn't have confidence in this team.
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:58 PM
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Game Changer [1942]
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Re: Wouldn't take the time to poast if I didn't have confidence in this team.
Dec 1, 2024, 8:28 PM
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Would I be excited and hopeful, absolutely… but to say you have actual confidence that this team could go win a game at any of those places with this offense and run defense is very funny… again doesn’t mean me included won’t be hoarse yelling for this team but those are two separate things.
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Re: Wouldn't take the time to poast if I didn't have confidence in this team.
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Dec 1, 2024, 9:29 PM
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If you have watched any of those teams play you would think we have a pretty dang good chance to beat any of them. Idk that confident is a word I'd use but very optimistic. I think we can beat anybody if we play like we should.
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Offensive Star [349]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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We haven’t beaten one team with a pulse all year and just got beat by the coots…
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Solid Orange [1354]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:02 PM
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Like your pulse?
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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And yet they're still playing for the ACC title.
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:03 PM
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Which, if won, opens the door to play for a national title.
I thought I had appealed to the facts. The idea is to win football games. This team has won nine of them, has won more ACC games than all but one other ACC team. And after Saturday I believe this team will have won 10 (which will be another worthy milestone) games, and will have another ACC crown, and another CFP berth.
I'm confused -- did the OP lack cogency?
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Asst Coach [877]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Dec 1, 2024, 6:59 PM
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Lol complete and total delusion
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Hall of Famer [8278]
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This is tier 1 level delusional.***
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1st Rounder [683]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Don't mean to throw too much shade but you didn't win the right to play in the championship. You backed into it.
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Solid Orange [1354]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Total BS reply, Miami had a chance to win and be in. Guess what? They lost.
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Re: SEC handle.
Dec 1, 2024, 8:59 PM
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Tennessee had finally resumed relevant status in 2022 after a decade+ hiatus, and now they’re bragging again.
TN’s reliance on the portal puts their stability among the higher echelon at the same risk as what Jimbo Fisher had at aTm and Norvell has at FSU.
TN football - Built for the Moment.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I think several programs are built for the moment.
Dec 2, 2024, 11:00 AM
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Michigan clearly was built for the moment.
Colorado I feel certain will be shown to have been built for the moment. Not that they've had much of a moment to begin with.
FSU. Poster child of "built for the moment." Goodness what a debacle.
Jimbo's Aggies were built for the moment. Also a debacle.
I am grateful that Clemson is not being built for the moment.
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Letterman [192]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
Dec 1, 2024, 8:00 PM
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Because Miami clearly deserved it didn’t they you ####### vol. you are clearly stupid. You also look stupid with that gey orange on.
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Asst Coach [845]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Miami lost 2 games in the conference and Clemson lost 1. How is that backing your way in? That's how it works. That's called earning it. It doesn't matter when you lose.
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Clemson Conqueror [11932]
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If you were to rank 1-10 those 10 Clemson ACC participants
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Where would you rank this team?
The answer to that question may give you some insight into the direction in which we're trending.
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Solid Orange [1354]
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Re: If you were to rank 1-10 those 10 Clemson ACC participants
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:05 PM
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So what? We're going to the ACC Championship.
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Clemson Conqueror [11932]
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You got a week to figure it out
Dec 1, 2024, 7:50 PM
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I’ll hang up and listen
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I'll be too busy packing for Charlotte.
Dec 2, 2024, 11:02 AM
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The ACC Is Such an Easy Conference...
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...that SMU, a program that's been invisible for nearly 40 years, stands undefeated and qualifies for the championship game in its first season as a member.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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SMU is currently ranked 9th in the nation.
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:09 PM
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If they are invisible to you, that's probably on you.
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All-Pro [707]
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You Totally Missed My Point....
Dec 1, 2024, 7:48 PM
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Before this year, when was the last time SMU was this highly ranked? Who did SMU lose to this year? Was it an ACC team?
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Letterman [192]
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Re: You Totally Missed My Point....
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You’re a genius. Smu has been an extremely good group of 5 team for about a decade and was obviously ready for power 4 competition. You live under a rock.
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A1 you are some kind of delusional***
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Is everyone who doesn't agree with you delusional?
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:11 PM
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Is everyone who disagrees with you drunk?
Dec 2, 2024, 11:32 AM
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Re: A1 you are some kind of delusional***
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Dude is an outright pumper but good for him not trying to deny it and embracing it.
Deep down he knows the truth like everyone on this board no matter how much they try to say otherwise.
Even if we lose to SMU by 50 he’d be right back on here telling us how amazing it is to win 9 games and how a lot of other teams would love to be Clemson but as I said… deep down he knows.
Nobody is that stupid or blind no matter what they say to try to convince you otherwise.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Thank you for clarifying what's going on in my mind.
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:24 PM
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I see your pulse is 80. Speaking of trending in the wrong direction ...
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Re: Thank you for clarifying what's going on in my mind.
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Bro I don’t give a d@mn what my pulse is. Who cares about pulse?
I don’t need to find any coach. We’re stuck with an old timer that’s past his time but at the end of the day… I love CLEMSON. I don’t love Dabo and Dabo is not bigger than Clemson I don’t care what he’s accomplished.
Clemson was here long before him and will be here long after him.
If you want to ride his d*** then be my guest but don’t get mad at others for seeing and telling the truth of the state of this football program.
You think everything is fine? Ok great
But everything is not fine and even with the reality checks given by Georgia/Louisville/SC you and others still refuse to say anything at all is wrong.
You can front all you want but it doesn’t matter to me but there is no way you can’t see this program is on a downward trend… sorry I’m not buying that no matter what you say.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Now that I've read your rant, if you see me alone in my foxhole
Dec 2, 2024, 11:04 AM
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please keep moving.
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Campus Hero [14058]
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Its very obviously trending in the wrong direction
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:27 PM
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That's not even debatable. There plenty of actual evidence.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I hope you're not a lawyer.
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:31 PM
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You probably aren't great in court.
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Campus Hero [14058]
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Clearly there's nothing I can say that you're going to listen to, but..
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Our W/L record from 2021-2024 is worse even than the 2011-2014 stretch when Dabo was building the program, much less our peak from 2015-2020.
2015-2020: 79-7 (92%)
2021-2024: 39-13 (75%)
Of those ACC titles you talk about playing for, almost all of them were during our peak. When speaking of a program in decline you need to draw some kind of line establishing the peak to separate it from the decline. Including stats from our peak years to defend our performance in the last 4 years of decline makes absolutely no sense.
2015-2020: 6 ACC titles in 6 years
2021-2024: 1, perhaps 2 ACC titles in 4 years
Similar to the above, we've played for 0 national titles so far since 2020 after playing for 6 in a row. We have a chance to change that next weekend thanks to the expanded playoff. Under the 4 team playoff rules we would've likely been eliminated a month ago with the loss to Louisville.
2015-2020: 6 CFP appearances
2021-2024: 0 or 1 CFP appearances (would've been 0 under old rules)
Recruiting is also trending way down. Our blue chip ratio is falling very quickly as we take more and more fallback 3* kids. We are also landing far fewer 5* kids and those are often the ones that can be program-changing (Watson, Lawrence, Wilkins, Big Dex, Higgins, Hyatt, etc).
Clemson football hasn't fallen off the map yet, but I don't know how you can possibly argue that it isn't in decline right now.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I'm listening. That's a very complex way of saying
Dec 2, 2024, 1:14 PM
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you think the program is in decline because the program does not win the way it used to.
And I hear you.
And so you join the chorus of others who find the Tigers of today inadequate when compared to the Tigers of recent years.
I find it a bit naive to single out a specific team and compare it to the body of work of a whole host of other teams, because football is not played in a vacuum and exists in time and space.
In other words, things change. And nothing has changed more ridiculously than college football since 2015.
Back then, it took 12-0 and a conference title to make the 4-team CFP. And Clemson rose to the occasion many of those years.
Goodie.
These days, 10-3 with a conference title will do just fine to make the CFP.
And this team may soon accomplish that.
And since winning is ultimately the point, the Tigers are winning at a .750 clip this year. I'm sorry that is not good enough for you. It is plenty good enough for me.
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Clemson Conqueror [11407]
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By that definition every team. Every year is ..
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:29 PM
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Playing for a national title.
And yes. This program has been in decline mode since 2018.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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You mean the team that's in six days playing in its 10th ACC title game in 15
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:32 PM
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years and possibly its 7th CFP berth in 10 years?
That team?
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Asst Coach [877]
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Re: You mean the team that's in six days playing in its 10th ACC title game in 15
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:36 PM
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Yeah the team that got smacked by a 2 loss Georgia. That same team that got smacked by a 4 loss Louisville at home. That same team that just lost 2 in a row at home to the cluckers of all teams.
Yeah that team.
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All-In [10305]
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Re: You mean the team that's in six days playing in its 10th ACC title game in 15
Dec 1, 2024, 9:10 PM
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S.Carolina is trending upward. Go root for them.
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Asst Coach [877]
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Re: You mean the team that's in six days playing in its 10th ACC title game in 15
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Dec 1, 2024, 9:50 PM
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Or you know you could just mind your business and quit telling others who they can and can’t pull for? I love people like you bc that’s all you got.
You got nothing else to say with any facts bc you can’t. You pump with the best of them don’t you bud?
How about this… I’ll keep pulling for whoever I want and not give a d@mn what you say…
Mmk pumpkin?
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Legend [6792]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:51 PM
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Got that right. Enjoy the week and get ready for the championship game. Tigers are still alive and can make the playoffs. They might get hot, catch a few breaks and make a run.
Enjoy the ride because playing for a spot in the playoffs is really awesome.
Ask the 90% of teams who aren't in this position if they would trade.
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1st Rounder [621]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
Dec 1, 2024, 7:52 PM
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Mehhj
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Hall of Famer [8989]
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Surely you dont really believe we arent trending down.***
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:53 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I believe this team and coaching staff are good enough to absolutely WAIL on SMU
Dec 2, 2024, 11:10 AM
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on the way to competing for a national championship.
And don't call me Shirley.
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All-In [10305]
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Remember the 2003 season after Wake crushed us late in the year?
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Dec 1, 2024, 9:17 PM
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Everyone was howling for Bowden’s head.
Wake had destroyed us and we had perennial Top 5 FSU and a good S.Carolina team looming … to be played at the Kook Pit.
Tigers whooped FSU, beat down the Kooks 63 - 17, and then whooped #6 Tennessee in the Peach Bowl.
It’s college football, folks. The experience factor is dynamic, in that players who play poorly early in the season often figure it out and play well late in the season.
That’s why post season games always have the potential to be special.
It’s coming. Enjoy it.
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Asst Coach [877]
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Re: Remember the 2003 season after Wake crushed us late in the year?
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Dec 1, 2024, 9:53 PM
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Lol got to go back to what 2003 to try to find some hope huh?
My how our standards have fallen so quickly. Now we’re comparing the HC that’s paid 11 mill a year… 2nd highest in all the land to a guy that never won more than 9 games in a season and was fired in the middle of the season after losing at WF… just smh
What a loser analogy
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Team Captain [484]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
Dec 2, 2024, 11:27 AM
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I wish I could relive the last 6 weeks of this season with this kind of optimism.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I wish that for you, too.
Dec 2, 2024, 11:35 AM
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All-TigerNet [5907]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
Dec 2, 2024, 11:28 AM
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You wearing rose colored glasses. The trend is down from a few years back when the trend was up.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Or the trend is up from a few years back when the trend was down.
Dec 2, 2024, 11:34 AM
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There are lies, dern lies, and statistics. And back of that are the trend lines used to visualize the statistics.
I think the point is that this team is playing for another conference title, and could still play for another national title depending on how the conference title game goes.
I had really tried to be clear in my OP. I feel like I've failed.
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Game Day Hero [4170]
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GO DABO - ALL IN - GO TIGERS - BEAT SMU***
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Dec 2, 2024, 11:30 AM
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Clemson Conqueror [11447]
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Re: So for the 10th time in 15 years the Tigers are
Dec 2, 2024, 1:17 PM
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We are trending in the wrong direction, no matter how we got here.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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If they win the national title,
Dec 2, 2024, 1:19 PM
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I hope you can find a way to enjoy the moment despite the trend.
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Clemson Conqueror [11447]
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Re: If they win the national title,
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Dec 2, 2024, 1:22 PM
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I will completely enjoy it. I am thrilled we squeezed in and I am looking forward to Saturday night. I am just a realist about the big picture at the moment as well.
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