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Clemson Professor needs to be fired
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Melvin Earl Villaver Jr., an assistant professor of audio technology and global black studies in Clemson’s Department of Interdisciplinary Studies, appears to have reposted and commented on multiple X posts ridiculing Kirk after his murder at Utah Valley University on Sept. 10.
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Re: Clemson Professor needs to be fired
Sep 12, 2025, 12:27 PM
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I have some posts, but nothing where he should.be fired. Do you want to post something of his on here that has been missed on other threads? Looks like the idiot prof is purposely vague and comes up just short of saying something to be fired.
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Re: Clemson Professor evidently trying to hide his comments
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Sep 12, 2025, 12:33 PM
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He is realizing he wants his job at a great school. He may end up at some community college.
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Once again, who here has cheered his death?***
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Sep 12, 2025, 12:35 PM
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Re: This is the BS y'all love to claim
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Sep 12, 2025, 12:51 PM
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To be fair, it might have been a grammatical error. Rather than "cheering on here", maybe he meant "on here who were cheering". 
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Re: This is the BS y'all love to claim
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Sorry I may have gotten them confused with the thousands of left wing cretins that were celebrating across the rest of the internet on reddit, social media etc. The ones on here may have only been saying he was asking for it by being a horrible racist human being and getting mad at anyone who called them out for being a POS. My apologies.
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Okay. Name the names.
Sep 12, 2025, 12:57 PM
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The ones on here may have only been saying he was asking for it by being a horrible racist human being and getting mad at anyone who called them out for being a POS. My apologies.
Tell us who said that.
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Re: Okay. Name the names.
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Sep 12, 2025, 1:06 PM
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How about you find it yourself. Shouldn't have to go back but a day or two and apparently youre the only one who missed the comments.
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Ok. So we've established you lied.***
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Sep 12, 2025, 1:08 PM
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Re: Ok. So we've established you lied.***
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Sep 12, 2025, 9:34 PM
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Making a big deal about semantics is the best defense that a leftist can conjure up to defend other leftists who choose to go public with their expressions of malignant sentiments about Charlie Kirk after being assassinated in front of his wife and kids.
It’s a weak defense, but about the best that a leftist hater can do.
Wicked commentary is a more accurate term than celebratory. The depth of evil in the hearts of TNet’s leftists is only known by himself / herself / themself.
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That's not how that works
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Sep 12, 2025, 1:15 PM
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Person 1 : "ACCUSATION!" x100
Person 2 : Please Provide evidence of this
Person 1 : silence
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Person 3 : Repeats Person 1's accusation
Person 2 : Please provide evidence of this
Person 3 : No, you find it, person 1 was talking about it yesterday
That's not how you make any sane point
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It's the point the person makes when called out for lying.***
Sep 12, 2025, 1:16 PM
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He's a habitual liar.
Sep 12, 2025, 1:19 PM
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I actually enjoy his Lunge posts, but over here he's just as misguided as Kiwi and NC_Tiger
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Re: Clemson Lawyers will need more than that source***
Sep 12, 2025, 9:39 PM
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If a legal solution to the stupid, evil Clemson professor cannot be found to fire him, then he should be assigned to a class in which no students can attend.
Deny him any resources that would be used for instructing students, since he’ll have no students to teach.
His ego will not abide him to keep quiet and behave. Then, other steps will avail themselves for Clemson to sh**-can him.
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Global black studies? ### is that?***
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Sounds like you need to go back to school or at least Google or AI it, geez***
Sep 12, 2025, 1:39 PM
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Re: Sounds like you need to go back to school or at least Google or AI it, geez***
Sep 12, 2025, 10:03 PM
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Tell us what your degree in Global Black Studies has done for your career as Assistant to the Assistant Manager at Appleby’s.
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It's absolutely wrong to celebrate Kirk's death or mock it
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Sep 12, 2025, 12:37 PM
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But why do some of you champion Kirk's free speech and recognize it was wrong for him to be punished for it and then turn around and want someone else punished for theirs?
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Re: It's absolutely wrong to celebrate Kirk's death or mock it
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Sep 12, 2025, 12:38 PM
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They don't get the irony.
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I think you get my point.***
Sep 12, 2025, 12:41 PM
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Re: I think you get my point.***
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Sep 12, 2025, 12:47 PM
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Basically, but I don't think there is really an equivalence between a college firing someone for celebrating someone being shot (if that's what he did) and killing someone for making a political speech on a college campus.
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I'm not saying they're equivalent
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Sep 12, 2025, 12:56 PM
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But there's a big problem if someone celebrates one person's free speech and thinks there should be no retribution for it while at the same time calling for someone else to pay a price for theirs.
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Re: I'm not saying they're equivalent
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What the heck is wrong with you? Is is so difficult not to equate being murdered for doing absolutely nothing wrong with getting in trouble at your job because you decided to publicly cheer on an innocent persons murder? Kirk did nothing that should have resulted in "retribution" at all. He was murdered in cold blood. You seem unable to admit that hence these bizarre comparisons with him and the ghouls celebrating his death.
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You ####### imbecile. Learn to read.
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Sep 12, 2025, 1:09 PM
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Is is so difficult not to equate being murdered for doing absolutely nothing wrong with getting in trouble at your job because you decided to publicly cheer on an innocent persons murder?
I didn't equate it, idiot. You--like so many imbecile MAGAs here--are intentionally twisting words to feign outrage.
Kirk did nothing that should have resulted in "retribution" at all. He was murdered in cold blood. You seem unable to admit that hence these bizarre comparisons with him and the ghouls celebrating his death.
No ####. I've said that from the beginning. More strongly than you, in fact.
You're too dumb to grasp the point.
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Re: You ####### imbecile. Learn to read.
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Yet, you subsequently make an argument that equivocates the punishment of an employee (whose job is to teach less educated, captive-audience people) because he has exhibited highly unprofessional behavior (along with being so stupid / so vain that he felt compelled to share his stupidity with the world) with that of a self-employed guest speaker who gets murdered because he said things to people who were not compelled to listen to him.
Your pride will never abide you recognizing how ridiculous you are.
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Re: I'm not saying they're equivalent
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I'm a huge free speech advocate, but it doesn't necessarily apply with employment. Celebrating someone's death could be considered crossing the line from an employment perspective.
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And I can agree with that, especially if acting a representative of the univ.
Sep 12, 2025, 1:11 PM
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Here's my point:
I'm talking about the OP. Not Clemson. If the OP celebrates free speech for one and wants punishment for free speech of another, he's a hypocrite.
That's it. I said it clearly. It's not hard to understand but apparently is for Budget NC_Tiger.
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Re: I think you get my point.***
Sep 12, 2025, 2:16 PM
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I’m not gonna go after anyone personally for what they say, but I don’t blame anyone for not wanting a nurse who hates MAGA to serve patients or anyone who may disagree with her. It isn’t so far fetched to believe that if a person is celebrating a death, that he or she may be ok with not giving the best care to someone who may be on the opposite side of the political aisle. (I’ve seen nurses fired)
As far as the professor, again no issue with it if he’s fired. This is supposed to be a well educated man, yet he’s posting amusement at an assasination? Nah, not very intelligent. Get him out the classroom.
I tell my sons all of the time to watch what they say on social media. We’ve probably all had a bad thought in the heat of the moment and said things we later regretted. But, back away from the phone and computer when you have the urge to post stupidity.
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Re: Already morphed assassination to punishment, eh?***
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Such is the desperation of a leftist who cannot defend the murder of a non-leftist, but can only resort to absurd equivocations that an employee whose job it is to not speak stupidly (the employer can fire an employee for Constitutionally protected free speech that the employer determines is not consistent with the employer’s mission) … and (should) get fired … is no different than a self-employed person who speaks according to his Constitutionally protected free speech (which the owner of the site can remove said speaker from the site at any time without consequence according to the whim of the owner of the site) who gets murdered as his punishment.
The TNetter who wrote that absurd equivocation will now proceed to embarrass himself further by resorting to childish name calling.
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Clemson could fire the guy if they believed his behavior was detrimental to the
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Sep 12, 2025, 12:57 PM
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University - - but he, of course, would still be allowed to say whatever he likes - that's free speech.
If you had a house full of guests and one of them started spouting racial slurs - you might ask him to leave - but you wouldn't shoot him.
Free speech might get you fired - but it shouldn't get you fired at...
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Re: Clemson could fire the guy if they believed his behavior was detrimental to the
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If he violated a Clemson code of conduct, I can understand that. An individual calling for it while supporting the speech he likes is a hypocrite.
If you had a house full of guests and one of them started spouting racial slurs - you might ask him to leave - but you wouldn't shoot him.
I think this is a great analogy. I used this exact same one to explain to people why social media companies censoring views wasn't a First Amendment violation, but the MAGAs here flipped out and couldn't grasp it.
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Yessir. I did understand your original point. There be nuances : - )***
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Re: Clemson could fire the guy if they believed his behavior was detrimental to the
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One proposed step further in your analogy:
You have guests. A and B are discussing (fill in the blank), the two clearly on opposite sides of the issue. They are not damaging your party, just discussing the matter. A person not wanting to discuss it can talk to someone else or go get a martini and some cheetos. He'd have to fight me for them. C, 10 feet away, is saying that anyone who agrees with A is subhuman and is a (fill in the blank). You ask him to leave.
That is not hypocritical, is not unfair to A. Heck, you might agree with B. But A and B are what makes a community, C is what destroys it. If we have lost our understanding of this, and it appears as though we might have, the Cs have already won.
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Re: It's absolutely wrong to celebrate Kirk's death or mock it
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I think it works like this:
Free speech is the right to not have the government take it away. When using someone else's platform to speak, the speaker has to abide by the owner's regulations regarding what is said on it, and the owner has the right to set those regulations. Charlie Kirk had acquired from the owner of the platform permission to say what he wanted to say, but even then within limits. You know that, I know.
However, and this is a philosophical rather than legal difference, Charlie invited contrary opinions, in real time. The most disagreeing were the ones invited to confront him.
Therefore, aside from the legal difference, Charlie was not promoting one view of topics as much as he was inviting discussion/debate about a range topics, usually determined by the ones confronting him. In Charlie's comments, he was as respectful of those he was talking to as he was committed to his own view, and expected nothing less from them. In doing this, Charlies was both displaying and encouraging the best of a free society and America, regardless of what one thought of him. He was shot while doing that, and because of it. In that sense, it was a dark as any day we have experienced.
This professor was the opposite of all that, legally and philosophically. Charlie deserved praise, this prof to be fired, if he violated a code of conduct, which I cant imagine he didnt.
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Re: It's absolutely wrong to celebrate Kirk's death or mock it
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I agree with all that and if the professor violated something that he agreed to abide by with Clemson, then so be it. He knew the consequences.
But for some rando to just blanket call for his firing because he doesn't like what he said is rank hypocrisy.
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Re: It's absolutely wrong to celebrate Kirk's death or mock it
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And I too will agree with this.
The gray area is "because he doesn't like what he said". If you mean disagreement, yes, I agree. But from what little I know about this incident - if all we know is all there is - and if I was the dean, I'd let him go. This prof is not what my department would be, promote or communicate, and if I could fit that into a code of conduct violation I would. If I couldnt, he would understand that he, as he is now, is stuck at that desk forever. His reaction would determine what happens after that. People can understand mistakes and change, and should be treated as what they are, not the past. But that type of attitude would not exist in my dept. Nor yours, if I know you. So, mostly, I think we agree.
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Re: It's absolutely wrong to celebrate Kirk's death or mock it
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But why do some of you champion Kirk's free speech and recognize it was wrong for him to be punished for it and then turn around and want someone else punished for theirs?
Murder is a harsh punishment don’t you think?
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Re: Clemson Professor needs to be fired
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Global Black Studies - da fug
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Re: Clemson Professor needs to be fired
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He studies black people in the natural habitat. Sounds to me like he makes up bullshyt for a living.
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Re: Clemson Professor needs to be fired
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I mean I understand if this we're at some ridiculous liberal arts school - but Clemson? The hell are they turning that place into
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Re: Found some info...
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Good lort - it's an entire program. Seems like a collosal waste of money.
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It's not their money, it's your money when the gov't "forgives" their loans.***
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Sep 12, 2025, 12:53 PM
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the world, as opposed to ignoring them and presenting the majority-held perspectives that would make the school lean more toward being an echo chamber.
Examining different cultures and perspectives is a good thing. It can show you new ways to consider commonly held ideas; it can challenge you to consider your own ideas in the face of these alternatives; and it can teach you how to be a critical thinker, to adopt/reinforce ideas that are reasonable to your interests and to discard the ones that aren't.
That can help drive innovation -- as long as ego doesn't get in the way and as long as the merit of the ideas themselves remains the central point of focus.
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TU for right Board!!!!***
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is he tenured?***
Sep 12, 2025, 12:54 PM
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Why does he need to be fired?
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I'm a conservative, and Kirk supporter. Wednesday was devastating, but that professor is exercising their 1st Amendment right of free speech. Granted, the amendment protects you from the gov't, not your employer... but I don't like cancel culture that leftists have used in the past. So I don't want to see Conservatives do it now. It's a never-ending cycle.
Just asking your opinion on why he should be terminated.
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The Red Guard.........
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Sep 12, 2025, 2:31 PM
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radicalized youth coming to city/state near you. They have indoctrinated a whole generation on hate and group think and anyone who dissents from their views should be silenced and/or eliminated. History repeats.
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Re: Clemson Professor needs to be fired
Sep 12, 2025, 10:09 PM
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hold on a second, you want a black guy fired? What if I said you should be fired for being a honkey, and held power over you,. That would suck, no?
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