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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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The ACC has not had a national champion in basketball in over 5 years, and has only had one team advance to the finals in that same span. Unfortunately , there is just no way to ignore over a half decade of data.
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NC State this year, Miami last year, UNC and Duke in 2022.
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Apr 9, 2024, 9:56 AM
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That's four final four teams in last three years.
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But like he said only 1 in the finals.***
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Apr 9, 2024, 9:59 AM
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Re: But like he said only 1 in the finals.***
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Four final four teams in 3 years is pretty strong. Had 3 in the elite 8 this year.
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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It has been more than a quarter century since the ACC
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Apr 9, 2024, 11:10 AM
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went 5 years without a national champion. A century is 100 years.
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Re: It has been more than a quarter century since the ACC
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Apr 9, 2024, 11:57 AM
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I don’t think 5 years without a title is indicative of decline. I’m convinced UNC would have beaten Kansas in the title game 2 years ago without the injuries. Heck, the Heels lost by 2 I believe even with the injuries.
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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This sounds like something
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Apr 9, 2024, 12:07 PM
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a conference that hasn’t won a title in over 5 years would say.
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Game Day Hero [4264]
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Re: This sounds like something
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Apr 9, 2024, 12:16 PM
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Just trying to have a conversation. Not trying to argue.
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Me either
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Apr 9, 2024, 12:42 PM
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I think excuses are an indication of just how far the ACC has fallen. It’s not a knock on you. If the ACC had won a championship(s) in the past 5 years you would not have made the point you just did.
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Re: Me either
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Apr 9, 2024, 1:03 PM
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I understand what you’re saying and I agree that excuses often sound pathetic. But the injuries to UNC players in that title game handicapped them. It was too much to overcome and they still nearly pulled it off. I really don’t mean it as an excuse. It’s just the resort. Anyway, that’s old news.
I think the ACC is ok. Very good chance a title winner comes from the ACC next year.
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Apr 9, 2024, 10:44 AM
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ACC mens basketball has been in a slow decline since the 90's but nice of you to finally notice. Next you will tell us Nebraska football has fallen off in the last decade.
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Apr 9, 2024, 10:53 AM
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No big deal. How long since an ACC team won the National Championship in football or baseball? Just because something happened in the past does not mean it will happen again.
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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The ACC does not hang its hat on being
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Apr 9, 2024, 11:04 AM
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a football or baseball conference, although maybe they should start since both are currently better than basketball.
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At least we have soccer***
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Re: At least we have soccer***
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Apr 9, 2024, 7:50 PM
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And Lacrosse.
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I agree.***
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Apr 9, 2024, 11:35 AM
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Is the last 5 years a relevant sample of work? I guess Graham Neff would agree. Not sure I do.
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Paw Master [16612]
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Apr 9, 2024, 11:35 AM
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Funny, and the sec who is on the rise has had 1 final four team since covid. 🤔
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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I guess this further proves
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money doesn’t equal success in college basketball.
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Paw Master [17366]
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Re: I guess this further proves
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Oof
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TigerNet Champion [118181]
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Clemson Baksetball making the tounament is proof of this
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and should consider itself lucky that we faced 3 consecutive teams that were cold from the 3 point line.
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Yep, and most of us have been saying that same thing for the past few yrs.
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Looks like the proof is in the pudding.
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Re: Yep, and most of us have been saying that same thing for the past few yrs.
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Apr 9, 2024, 12:54 PM
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The good news is that one of our Big 10 brethren played in the championship game, and that has to count for something.
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B1.G! B1G. B1G!
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Apr 9, 2024, 7:45 PM
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Hail to the northern overlords
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Boston College will save us
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I'm predicting an NIT 5-peat for the Eagles.
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Game Day Hero [4310]
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ACC depth has been declining for a lot longer than 5 years.
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Apr 9, 2024, 4:59 PM
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Hidden by top.
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Game Changer [1799]
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Apr 9, 2024, 5:49 PM
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Big Ten says hello.
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Looks like the trend is 7 footers. Hope we can get one ourselves.
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Apr 9, 2024, 7:38 PM
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I would argue the converse, to wit: If the ACC is declining, which conference is ascending? If there is the one, there must be the other.
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Paw Master [17127]
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Still better than ACC Football***
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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ACC Football has as many National Championships as ACC Basketball does
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Apr 9, 2024, 8:35 PM
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since the 2018-2019 academic year. So I’m not sure what metric you are using?
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Paw Master [17127]
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So you're saying ACC Basketball has sunk to ACC Football levels?***
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Are you still suggesting ACC basketball is better
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Apr 9, 2024, 10:58 PM
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than ACC football based on the metric(s) established in the OP which you were responding to?
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Heisman Winner [78603]
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Ghey is ghey.
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Apr 10, 2024, 1:09 AM
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CoTo!!'
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Paw Master [17127]
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Sounds like the metric sucks then because four different teams in the last
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Are you suggesting there is a metric better than national champion
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Apr 10, 2024, 7:16 AM
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to establish the best team for any given season? Which of the 3 Final 4 (not a metric used in the op you responded to) performances you referred to are you proudest of; NC Sate losing by 13, Miami losing by 13, or Duke/UNC playing each other?
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Paw Master [17127]
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It appears like you have now pivoted your argument from Best Conference to
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Best Team...It's almost like you cherrypicked a stat to forward a false narrative
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Yes
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Apr 10, 2024, 6:30 PM
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I cherry picked national championships as a metric for measuring conference member success which is how conferences measure their own success; the success of their member institutions. Next time I’ll use final 4 appearances as a metric for football comparison, even if 50% of those resulted in blowouts. I hope you look smarter than you sound.
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Paw Master [17127]
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At least you can admit you are forwarding a narrative now...that's a start,
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you used to lie and say you supported the basketball program...a little success and you reveal your true nature...I guess that's progress huh?
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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If saying the ACC is down in basketball means I dont support
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Apr 10, 2024, 9:00 PM
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Clemson basketball, then you don’t support Clemson Football, because you suggested the ACC is even worse at football than basketball. I’m sorry you don’t support our football program, but I’m not surprised.
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Paw Master [17127]
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Please, this entire troll is another lame attempt at discrediting the Basketball
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Apr 10, 2024, 11:47 PM
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teams recent success
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Another thread where you attack the messenger
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not the message. This thread is about the ACC. Clemson football is better off without the support of fans like you. Thank you for all you don’t do.
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Paw Master [17127]
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Dabo would disagree with you about my fandom***
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Nothing says how much your fandom means to Dabo
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Apr 11, 2024, 5:43 PM
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like you telling me how much your fandom means to Dabo.
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Paw Master [17127]
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I'll certainly take his word over yours...Dabo never lied about being a paid
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Tigernet Mod...but you did
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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I am embarrassed for you right now.***
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Paw Master [17127]
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You should be more embarrassed by your own behavior***
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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I have a football signed by Dabo
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Apr 12, 2024, 7:58 AM
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I’m “All In” and it’s in writing, with a signature. I win.
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Paw Master [17127]
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I have one of his actual signed poker chips...So I win***
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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The signature is smaller on the chip
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so that’s one strike against it, and I’m guessing you don’t even have provenance to go with it. No way to even know if the tiny signature you have is real.
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Heisman Winner [84307]
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I can't wait to see who gets the last word in here.
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edgewise of course.
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Please dont make noise in the boat.***
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Heisman Winner [84307]
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Nope, I'm gonna steel the last werd on this juan.
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so and so must be out chasin chubbies
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move you loose
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Paw Master [17127]
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While I'm flattered by your obsession, I'm not going to put it in your mouth...
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no matter how much you fantasize about it
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Another clear violation of board rules...
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Apr 26, 2024, 10:01 AM
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Please review Rule #9. You are very close to actually being banned again.
https://www.tigernet.com/rules.do
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Paw Master [17127]
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Never been legitimately banned...thought we covered this already...an
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actual Mod would know...of course an actual Mod wouldn't also TU the personal attack that generated my response...You would know that if you were an actual Mod and not just somebody lying about being a paid moderator on this site
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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You 100% have been banned
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You may contest the grounds, but you were “actually” banned. And how can you say the post was a personal attack? Unless you are insinuating the photo of the person posted was not desirable, which the op didn’t, and I can only interpret that as insensitive on your part. It’s a shame you would do that, then try to further shame others for being supportive.
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Paw Master [17127]
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Nope...wasn't banned, it was an obvious counting mistake and an actual mod,
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not a liar who says they get paid to moderate Tigernet, fixed it and apologized...Sorry you can't grasp that...try moving your lips the next time you read the simple explanation
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TigerNet Champion [118181]
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I've been curious
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what happens after there is only one character per row.
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Re: I've been curious
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does that poster disappear forever, like musical chairs?
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Paw Master [17127]
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relegated to the Phantom Zone with General Zod?***
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Ok, 16 posts to go
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we can do this
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Paw Master [17127]
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Into the Never we go!***
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As odd as your obvious obsession with me? Why are you fantasizing about me or my
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wife?
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A horrid showing this year.
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Only a handful of teams made the elite 8.
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Game Changer [1685]
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Who were the champions over the last five years?
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Who's Scok is FM????!!
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😂 sounds so fake and fictional and some other things that make him sound like a tool.
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Game Changer [1799]
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Francis Marion is officially in decline in cerebral ability.
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Sounds like the perfect time for a program that lacks funding,
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facilities and fan support to take the bull by the horns and make a serious run.
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Garbage take
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Four of the top 15 in the final coaches poll were ACC teams. Pathetic Clemson fans need to drop the narrative that Clemson is good because the ACC is bad. The ACC will always be the ACC in college basketball (until it breaks apart). The Lunatic Fringe never disappoints.
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Why are you making this about Clemson?***
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Paw Master [17127]
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Why are constantly trying to discredit the programs success with these obvious
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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You are so caught up in blind contrarianism
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that you can’t read the difference between me knocking the ACC and a knock at Clemson. I am a clear and logical thinker, you are clearly an emotional thinker who responds based on who made a post, and not the content of the post. Maybe you are an ACC guy? Maybe you like being contrarian? I don’t know, but it is curious to me as someone who studies human nature. Whatever the case, you don’t like being wrong, and you view getting the last word in as a victory. I’ll research this more.
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please don't mention the prime objective out loud
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Apr 11, 2024, 9:14 PM
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Once an NPC becomes self-aware only bad things can happen.
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Paw Master [17127]
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You like pretending like you are in charge, the make-believe moderatorship is a
Apr 12, 2024, 4:12 AM
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good example...you also seem to like getting the last word,so much so that you project that onto others in an obvious attempt to get the last word yourself
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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For someone who doesnt believe it
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Apr 12, 2024, 7:57 AM
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You sure talk about it a lot.
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Paw Master [17127]
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I find it hilarious...you've been acting like you were in charge for years and
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Apr 12, 2024, 2:12 PM
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then you went and actually verbalized it...What's the clinical term for that, since you also like pretending to be a doctor, you can combine your delusions and diagnose your own disorder
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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You lied about me claiming to be a mod
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Apr 12, 2024, 3:30 PM
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I never claimed to be a mod, I claimed to be a deputy moderator. You have already been banned at least once, and these personal attacks, incorrectly calling someone a liar, will get you banned again. You have been warned.
Message was edited by: Francis Marion®
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Paw Master [17127]
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I have never actually been banned, the actual admins made a counting error, if
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Apr 12, 2024, 5:51 PM
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you were an actual mod, you would know that, but you're not...even though you claimed to be
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Let me check the moderator archives...
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Apr 12, 2024, 6:13 PM
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Oops. Maybe you are thinking of a different time when you didn’t actually get banned?
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Heisman Winner [84307]
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Re: Let me check the moderator archives
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Apr 12, 2024, 8:23 PM
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Paw Master [17127]
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Administrative error, easily rectified, even received an apology...the
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Apr 25, 2024, 6:54 AM
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make believe moderators apparently weren't notified
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Now tell me how many players were on the 2023 Clemson Tiger football team.***
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Apr 25, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Paw Master [17127]
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you ready to admit that you changed 30% to 25% at 10:40?***
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Apr 25, 2024, 11:21 PM
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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No, I am not...
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Apr 26, 2024, 5:59 AM
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Because I don’t know that to be true. Now, back to your math as it relates to your accusation…
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Paw Master [17127]
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Why are you lying about changing the percentage?***
Apr 26, 2024, 4:14 PM
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Heisman Winner [84307]
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1.5 > 1.7
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Apr 26, 2024, 7:35 PM
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signed, Snowtown
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Paw Master [17127]
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You're the last person I want to hear referencing a typo...your own
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Apr 26, 2024, 10:40 PM
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spelling is horrendous...considerably worse than mine
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Do you ever look around and think
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Apr 26, 2024, 10:44 PM
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Maybe the game has passed me by?
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Paw Master [17127]
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Do you?***
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Apr 26, 2024, 11:17 PM
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Yes
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Apr 27, 2024, 2:58 PM
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I think that about you after reading almost every one of your posts.
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Paw Master [17127]
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That's some hobby you have there...thinking about me***
Apr 29, 2024, 12:54 AM
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Ring of Honor [21884]
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This made me LOL out loud***
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Apr 29, 2024, 9:45 AM
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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I dont think you know the definition of lie
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Apr 26, 2024, 10:43 PM
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Lie: an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer
“He (PJ Hall) grew up a tiger.” = lie
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie
I’m not saying I didn’t edit my post. I edit them all the time to add humor, correct punctuation, correct misspellings, etc… and I do not remember what I edited in that post a week ago. I can tell you with absolute certainty that I never thought 3 of 13 was any certain percentage because there were not 13 (your number) players on the basketball team, and I knew exactly what I was posting when I said what the equivalent would be on the football team because I know how many football players we had. I also guarantee that I did not change any numbers as the result of your post(s). What seems plausible is you misread, because there was a 25 and a 30 in my post, now you want to say I changed my posts to make you wrong. Here is your history…
You didn’t lie about PJ, you assumed, regardless of what the dictionary says.
You didn’t misread my post, I changed it to make you look bad.
You weren’t actually banned, even though you lost posting privileges and your account showed you as “banned”.
You don’t know how many players were on the 2023 Clemson football team, or you are bad at math, one or the other, but others have bad math.
Etc, etc, etc…
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Paw Master [17127]
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you changed 30% to 25% and you can't or won't admit it***
Apr 26, 2024, 11:16 PM
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Im not going to take your word for it
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Apr 27, 2024, 6:55 AM
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Because you have a well documented history of lying. Sorry.
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Paw Master [17127]
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Says the guy who lied about being a paid moderator on this site...Sorry
Apr 29, 2024, 12:08 AM
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you aren't credible
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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Correct
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Apr 29, 2024, 6:11 AM
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I’m incredible.
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Paw Master [17127]
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and yet you're still incapable of admitting you changed 30% to 25%
Apr 29, 2024, 3:04 PM
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at 10:40am...you did admit you lied about being a paid mod...I guess that's a step in the right direction
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Heisman Winner [84307]
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You're either stoopid or insane.
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Apr 29, 2024, 8:57 PM
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I'm guessing both.
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TigerNet Legend [146705]
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I accidentally gave you a TU.***
Apr 29, 2024, 9:59 PM
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Re: Garbage take
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Where did the other 73% of the conference finish?
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Apr 12, 2024, 5:52 PM
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How did you figure this out??
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At least we aren't the Big 10, and not have had a title in 25 years!***
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Re: The ACC is officially in decline in college basketball.
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Apr 26, 2024, 10:13 PM
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Agreed! Time to leave this conference, we’re one of the few teams helping its RPI and propping them up. Conference schedule not helping us lately.
Great job Tigers!
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