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Playmaker [391]
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Have people lost their minds?
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:03 PM
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Calling for Dabo to retire or be fired or hand the program over to someone else? Do people not remember what the program was before he took over?
Saw one person on X say Brad Brownell is a better coach than Dabo.
What are we doing?
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Rival Killer [3020]
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Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
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Playmaker [391]
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:12 PM
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Killing it, huh? You don't remember the Ken Hatfield, Tommy West, Tommy Bowden years, apparently.
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Rival Killer [3020]
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Yep
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:17 PM
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was going to games during all 3 and before.
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Orange Elite [5398]
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Re: Yep
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:52 PM
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Well, what other coach would you prefer if not Dabo. I’ll be waiting for your answer.
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Oculus Spirit [39882]
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Venables***
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:38 PM
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Game Changer [1692]
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Re: Venables***
Nov 23, 2024, 12:29 AM
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Yeah that”s looking not good in OK. You can run along and change your allegiance to ok if you want.
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Team Captain [460]
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Re: Yep
Nov 23, 2024, 2:04 PM
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Re: Yep
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If what you're saying about Dabo is truly what you believe, do yourself and Tiger nation a favor, resign your Clemson Tiger Fan-Manship and find yourself another team to be a fan to that you approve of the HC. Dabo is the HC that I still fully believe in, and he will get our/his Tiger team back to the top. IMO he has tried some things that didn't work out as well as he expected, and I believe that he will right the team back to its winning ways. If he fails to do so within a couple more years it will be then that I admit he's no longer good for the Clemson FB program, but never before he's had adequate time to right the team. He has already made a few changes that seems to be the right moves, and there was a couple that were still wrong, but I believe that he will replace those position again in a fair amount of time...
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Starter [263]
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Re: Yep
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:00 PM
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It’s been 5 years. So give him 5 more?
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Orange Blooded [2237]
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Re: Yep
Nov 23, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Been 5 years since what?
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Rival Killer [3020]
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you keep telling yourself that...
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:14 PM
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but reality is going to hurt when it hits.
Like the band playing on a sinking ship.
Nothing to see here
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Clemson Sports Icon [59621]
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Re: you keep telling yourself that...
Nov 23, 2024, 2:06 PM
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Were you around when reality 4-7, 5-6, 6-5, 6-6, 5-7 and I could go on. I was one of those fans in the stands during those times and until the score would get out of our reach with the offenses we were using, I was cheering as loud as anybody in those stands.
I believe this, win or lose every player that's been a Tiger were asked to come to Clemson and I would cheer for them as they were the best. To this day I have never talked bad against a player we have bc they were ask to come and play FB or ball at Clemson and I'm sure that every one of them did their best and tried to win.
Now here we are with Dabo as our HC and winning no less than 10 wins a season and like everyone else I want more, I want to be the best in every sport at Clemson, but you can bet the farm that I want ever call for his head with 9-10 wins a season. In all of college FB 9/10 of fan bases would love to be in a situation like we're in winning 9-10 games a season, and if that is a bad number for anybody, they could be a fan to the wrong Tigers. I'm still with our team and I've traveled almost 3 hours one way and set through a season with only 4 wins, 9-10 wins I couldn't be run off!!!
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Paw Warrior [4907]
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Re: Yep
Nov 23, 2024, 1:51 PM
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You CAN love your school and not the coach and that’s ok!
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Paw Warrior [4907]
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Re: Yep
Nov 23, 2024, 1:51 PM
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You CAN love your school and not the coach and that’s ok!
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
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Dabo's last few year have been the Tommy Bowden years. Have all the talent, lose games we shouldn't and inevitably play for nothing at the end of the year. The game more than ever is about conference championships and playoff appearances. A 10-2/9-3 season looks good but ultimately is the same as 6-6. Change is needed.
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
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This is wrong on so many levels it’s not even funny.
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yes we remember those years
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:55 PM
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and we see the program heading back there. and its all self inflicted by a head coach who wont adapt
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We paid Tommy West $150,000. With inflation, that's $290,000. Tommy Bowden made just under $700,000 all in, and that's just under a million today.
Dabo's salary is 37 times more than Tommy West and about 15 times more than Bowden. 6 years ago, he was worth it. Today? In the last 4 years, we have finished: 5th, 1st, 7th, and likely 3rd in the ACC. We've been 2-9 against opponents that finished ranked, with an average score of 18-29, so an 11 point average loss.
And the ACC is only a shadow of itself from when Bowden coached. At the time Bowden was there, you had Bobby Bowden, one of the all time greats, at Florida State. You had Frank Beamer at Virginia Tech. You had Larry Coker at Miami. Paul Johnson came along at Georgia Tech. These were championship-caliber coaches. And great players were in the ACC at the time like Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers. Tommy Bowden had a harder schedule most years than Dabo has the past 4.
And I think this argument is a strawman any way. No one's making us go to Ken Hatfield. We pay Dabo $11 million, that's the second most in CFB. Only Kirby Smart is paid more. We can go out and pay for a super-elite, proven coach with the amount of money we spend. I'd rather Dabo stay and adapt, but you set up a strawman here acting like our choice is Dabo for $11 million or 0-12 seasons.
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Tiger Titan [46685]
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Outstanding post.***
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
Nov 23, 2024, 12:58 AM
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What “super elite proven coach” with a better resume than Dabo do you have in mind?
And you might tell him that averaging 10 wins per year for 4 years straight will get him fired as well.
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Nov 23, 2024, 1:28 AM
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I mean, LSU boosters have already been talking about firing Brian Kelly. He's averaging 10 win seasons, has only been there two years, and has two bowl wins and was ranked higher than us. They fired Orgeron 2 years after he had a 15-0 season. They haven't had any trouble hiring, and we pay more than them. Ryan Day has been said to be on the hot seat. USC is a turnstile of coaches. Many other examples. None of them have had difficulty hiring. Coaches understand you're being paid a ton of money and that comes with very high expectations. The good coaches think they'l meet them.
I don't like this "resume" talk. If I say someone like Dan Lanning, who is currently succeeding in the modern world of CFB and makes a third of what Dabo does, you'll just be like "WeLl DaBo WoN cHaMpIoNsHiPs!" And my response is that what he did in the pre-NIL/portal world is no longer relevant when judging whether he deserves his salary NOW. So I don't accept your premise for starters.
If you want to discuss resumes since the portal became a thing, I can name 20 coaches with arguably better results than him.
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Orange Blooded [2502]
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Ok. Name them.
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Nov 23, 2024, 2:29 AM
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Thanks.
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Standout [242]
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
Nov 23, 2024, 5:27 AM
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This is factually incorrect. Dan Lanning’s salary is $8.2M, also less than Mark Stoops, Eli Drinkwitz, Mike Norvell, Lincoln Riley etc. In fact of the top 20 highest paid coaches there are only 2 that currently own national championships, Kirby and Dabo.
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
Nov 23, 2024, 9:19 AM
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True, except every coach you brought up to prove your point were on the decline. After 2000, Bobby Bowden was just competing with Paterno for most all time wins and his teams were average, at best. Beamer was going downhill fast and Coker was 2001 and then garbage. Paul Johnson had a couple of decent teams, but hardly a legend.
I understand you're upset over not being undefeated, but reread what you're saying. Tommy Bowden was crap and riding his daddy's coattails. No Bowden son was any good as a head coach, or even good assistants.
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Game Changer [1845]
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:48 PM
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I wonder if you're still going to feel like this when we're winning 4 or 5 games a year because we have no talent and won't augment the roster with the portal. How many year of that is it going to take for you to recognize there's a problem?
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Blah blah blah. So sick of this narrative, just because we aren’t a 3-4 win team doesn’t mean Dabo doesn’t need to adapt recruiting and stop making unqualified hires.
The majority of critical posts about dabo aren’t about wanting him to step down/retire/get fired, they’re just about him doing what got us 2 national championships to begin with, getting rid of incompetence on the coaching staff, and being on the leading edge.
He did it once, and he can do it again. He’s just got to get off his high horse and adapt to the times. CFB isn’t going back to what it was 5,10, 20 years ago, ever. So stop digging in your heals and suck it up and deal with it
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
Nov 23, 2024, 2:12 PM
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I believe that every hire that Dabo makes should be the best that he can get, and I agree that he has made some pretty bad hires that he should have known before hiring them they weren't the best choice, but he has been making improvements with his hires of late, and I'm more than willing to see what he does after this season and even the next...
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
Nov 23, 2024, 1:49 PM
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Clemson is back in the Tommy Bowden years now with all the same excuses Tommy used coming from Dabo now.
Tommy- We were one play away, they are 2 play’s away from being undefeated.
Dabo- Up until last year 10 win seasons are hard to come by, now after last year 9 win seasons are hard to come by. SMDH
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We’re heading back to the West and Bowden days with the recruiting class and the continued losses to the transfer portal.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59621]
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
Nov 23, 2024, 2:44 PM
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You don't have to answer this to nobody but yourself if that's what you choose but, say that you're a HC of a college level team and you have an elite recruit that come to you and says, coach, another ACC school has offered to pay me a lot of money, and if you don't match what they're offering I'm transferring out of here and going to play for them. I ask how would you deal with that situation? I'll answer if it were me, I would say young I actually thought when I recruited you, you wanted to be part of what we were offering you at Clemson, but it seems that you have decided you would rather be a part of all you get, and that's just not what I'm offering you at Clemson. I will ask you to rethink this position that you're putting me and Clemson in, and if it's the money that's more important to you, I suggest you take the deal you've been offered bc you want get that type of money from me or Clemson, and if you choose the money, I wish you good luck!!! Personally, that is what I would tell him if I were in Dabo's place bc he would have to do the same with every player on the team and that would most like break the NIL bank and risk losing every recruit he has bc he couldn't pay them all what they wanted of had been offered... The next time I played Wake, I would play my starters the entire game and score as many points as I could hoping that it would be enough to get that HC fired!!!
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
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We are ranked 17th with a 8-2 record. How in the heck is that a dying program???
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Oculus Spirit [39882]
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We are not the 17th best team in the country
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LOL
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it would be easier for you to just become an Ohio State fan!***
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#17 is decent but certainly not elite.
He spoiled us with “The Best is Yet to Come” talk, when it clearly isn’t.
I’m not sure we can compete with the big boys in the current environment, even if Dabo tries to adapt. It was a great 5 year run, though!!
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
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We are not going to be top 4 every year for 20 years. You people thinking that's is possible are wild. Wanting Dabo gone for going .500 for a couple of years would be one thing but winning 10 games every year is hard to do. He certainly should keep his job if he can do that.
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Commissioner [1203]
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
Nov 23, 2024, 2:03 PM
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Winning ten games every year isn’t happening. We didn’t win ten last year and after we lose to Carolina we won’t win ten this year.
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Re: Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it
Nov 23, 2024, 2:49 PM
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I agree with that, that is one logo he would have been best suited if he hadn't blurted out that one...
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people who say "Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it" are revealing their lack
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of intelligence on the matter. Evident in their banter that they've never played or coached a team. Probably never really worked for anything in their lives. It's all as easy as switching the coach or buying a portal player. Same morons who say "they don't deserve to dance!"
Keep saying it so we know who you are.
Remember, it's all easy when you have no clue what you're talking about!
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Re: people who say "Dabo built it, Dabo is killing it" are revealing their lack
Nov 22, 2024, 11:34 PM
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TigerCook® With all due respect, looks like you are espousing a lot of assumptions ...
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Lol, now we know Judge Keller is on X.
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Couldn't really be anybody else making that claim.
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
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Don’t worry, they are the 2% ers and their post means nothing. They are just trying to stir the pot a little.
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
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Thinking it's only 2% of tbe fan base that feels tbis way is what's gonna to shock you. Probably more like 30-40% that sees what is happening because of his personal beliefs about how CFB should be managed. No one is questioning his ability to select and motivate players. He just is no longer giving Clemson the best chance to succeed because of his personal choices. In most professional jobs that is a termination offense. Not at Clemson, we are good as long as you are a good person????
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Are you blind? Hes playing the modern game with two
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hands tied behind his back.
You can dislike or hate the new rules, but it is what it is. Adapt or GTFO.
Once your salary is $10M+, all complaints are valid.
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Re: Are you blind? Hes playing the modern game with two
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Last I checked Dabo doesn’t get to pick his salary. Yes, he negotiates it, but Clemson doesn’t have to pay a dime more than it wants.
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Oculus Spirit [39882]
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Oh dear god
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
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Those had to be the idiots that are so stupid for being a coot fan!!!
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:41 PM
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"Saw one person on X say Brad Brownell is a better coach than Dabo."
That was probably the troll princess. She may be ignored without consequence.
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
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Amen!
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While I do believe our coach needs to adapt to the new college football environment, I believe our current issues are related to two things. Number one is we lost the best defensive coach in the country to Oklahoma and we lost Tony Ellett and Jeff Scott to head coaching positions. Our current defensive and offensive coordinators are not near the caliber these men were. Number two is the talent level. There is a lot of talent on this team but we were spoiled by future professional quarterbacks Watson and Lawrence,, and outstanding receivers such as Hopkins, Higgins, Ross, Cain, Renfrow, etc. And with regard to recruiting, I believe NIL money is hurting us there. Just My thoughts.
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In Dabo I trust.
He does it right.
Develops his players into great young men.
Graduates almost all his players.
This is what a college athletic program is supposed to be. What it is turning out to be is questionable. But then again, what do you expect when the government gets involved.
I am proud to call him "my" football coach.
As a Clemson and Ga Tech fan (graduated from both institutions) I am proud of both institutions from an academic and athletic perspective. Granted my expectations for both programs are differant. A great season for Tech is 8-9 wins while a great season for Clemson is 10+ wins with a playoff team ervery 2-3 years.
I know my opinion carries no weight but if anyone were to ask me, Dabo can stay the Clemson football coach until he decides he doesn't want to do it here anymore.
In Dabo I trust.
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Because of where he has taken the program,
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:56 PM
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And with what integrity and class the program has, this man is worth sticking by for longer than most.
Give it a few more years, let the revenue sharing hopefully help, let the new coaches have a some more time.
Dabo gave us all a great gift and deserves some loyalty.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59621]
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Re: Because of where he has taken the program,
Nov 23, 2024, 2:52 PM
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It's also the difference in the fan base we have now, we never heard any of the things said about Danny Ford as we're hearing said about Dabo...
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
Nov 22, 2024, 8:59 PM
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Had to be a hen!
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Orange Blooded [2289]
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
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Nov 22, 2024, 9:21 PM
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YES, they have lost their minds, IF they ever had one.
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National Champion [7366]
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I see Noobs and Low Pulses doing what Coots do.
Nov 22, 2024, 10:21 PM
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And yes, the OP is in at least one of those clubs, if not two. Maybe three before the year is out.
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Tiger Titan [46685]
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Brownell has certainly shown an ability to adapt and overachieve.
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Nov 22, 2024, 11:41 PM
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We can’t currently say that about Dabo.
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
Nov 23, 2024, 5:15 AM
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Yes- because they don’t understand that the money we pay our coaches and the money that could be used for NIL come from 2 different buckets. I give Clemson about 5k a year for the rights to pay for my tickets ,parking, and the costs of the tickets. None of that money can currently be used for NIL money to pay for kids to play here. All that money has to come from an NIL collective. I do not now or ever intend to give to an NIL collective unless that money reduces what I currently have allocated to Clemson football.
Posters on this board either think Dabo should pay for some of these players with the 11 million he makes (which I don’t know if that is even allowed) or just don’t have a grasp of how things work.
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
Nov 23, 2024, 8:52 AM
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Yes… people have lost their minds.
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
Nov 23, 2024, 9:14 AM
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Dabo built the program for success in a different era. An appropriate analogy is a tech company CEO that doesn’t invest in innovation, so the company flounders.
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Orange Blooded [2398]
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
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Nov 23, 2024, 9:29 AM
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I think most fans expected us to fall once Nil kicked in. We just don’t have the money to get the top recruits or portal players. I also think Dabo struggles in making decisions during the game and the talent and better ast coaches made up for it in the past.
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Orange Beast [6120]
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Dont want Dabo gone
Nov 23, 2024, 10:43 AM
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I also recognize that Clemson football is in trouble. Dabo is at a crossroads and will need to make some gut wrenching decisions once the season is over.
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
Nov 23, 2024, 1:54 PM
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All good things come to an end. Dabo ain’t the coach he use to be….what has he done for us in last 5 years?
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Varsity [111]
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
Nov 23, 2024, 1:57 PM
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If Dabo left after this season we could go after Dan Lanning, Lane Kiffin or the Indiana coach. All understand how to use the portal and NIL and could right the ship quickly!
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Re: Have people lost their minds?
Nov 23, 2024, 2:03 PM
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CUF …Brent Key time
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