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Orange Blooded [4552]
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So will Myorkis get the same SS team that investigated the White House cocaine
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Jul 15, 2024, 4:31 PM
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to investigate the security failures that enabled the assassination attempt ?
Just curious…
I see the DHS/SS bosses have already blamed the local authorities ( you know - the folks that democrats have been defunding) for not securing a roof top 150 yards away in clear view of the podium because “it was outside of the perimeter”
I mean ###? You’d think that’s something you might double check?
And who decided that hiring the security director from Pepsi (yes - the soft drink company) to run the secret service was a good idea anyway?
There is only one acceptable answer and that is there aren’t enough trained resources assigned to do the job. And they need to fix that yesterday. Blaming the local police is total CYA.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. I just think it’s total incompetence emanating down from the top
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No doubt there were security failures.
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Regarding the USSS Director, I'm not qualified (and I'm reasonable sure you aren't either) to pass judgement on her qualifications. That said it's real lazy to be all like WHO HIRED SOME SOFT DRANK SECURITY GUARD TO RUN THE WHOLE SS! Her resume seems pretty darn good to me. Sorry....hopefully good facts don't get in the way of your scorching hot take on this matter but here is her bio:
Kimberly Cheatle is the 27th Director of the U.S. Secret Service, sworn in to office September 17, 2022. She is responsible for successfully executing the agency’s integrated mission of protection and investigations by leading a diverse workforce composed of more than 7,800 Special Agents, Uniformed Division Officers, Technical Law Enforcement Officers, and Administrative, Professional, and Technical personnel.
Prior to her appointment, Ms. Cheatle served as Senior Director in Global Security at PepsiCo, where she was responsible for directing and implementing security protocols for the company's facilities in North America. Her role at PepsiCo involved developing risk management assessment and risk mitigation strategies.
Before joining PepsiCo, she served with distinction for 27 years in the U.S. Secret Service, most recently as Assistant Director of the Office of Protective Operations. In this position, Ms. Cheatle managed a $133.5M budget and collaborated with ten operational divisions and the Technical Security Division to research, develop and deploy technologies that reduce risks to protectees, protected facilities, and protected events.
Prior to serving as Assistant Director, Ms. Cheatle served as the Special Agent in Charge of the Atlanta Field Office, providing oversight for all mission related investigations, protective intelligence and protective visits in the state of Georgia.
Ms. Cheatle was appointed to the Senior Executive Service (SES) in February 2016 as the Special Agent in Charge of the James J. Rowley Training Center (RTC). There she directed and coordinated all aspects of training and career development for the organization, later serving as the Deputy Assistant Director for the Office of Training.
Prior to her SES appointment, Ms. Cheatle was the Special Agent in Charge, Office of Strategic Planning and Policy, where she developed and deployed an innovative web-based communication platform designed to promote open and transparent communication within the organization
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Training and care development
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Jul 15, 2024, 4:53 PM
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Haha. Is she the DEI poobah?
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Re: Training and care development
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As you know (but apparently others are not aware), America (also Europe) is filled with lousy managers that boast spectacular resumes. No organization will publicize a resume that makes their top manager sound like a dung beetle, so there’s that.
One example of a high profile failure that has a great resume is Disney CEO Bob Iger. Iger was a former Disney CEO who was considered successful before leaving Disney in 2020; he returned to Disney’s CEO job after his successor in 2020 was fired.
Iger set up Disney for failure back in 2020 when he presided over Disney’s corporate direction to transform Disney’s products from overwhelming entertainment to products which integrated ‘social messaging’ into them.
Iger’s glowing resume at the time he left Disney the first time in 2020 did not capture the massive strategic blunder which he initiated and nurtured prior to 2020.
It’s about performance; commonly bad leadership does not become obvious until some time after the bad leadership-driven initiatives had time to fester.
Secret Security’s Kim Cheadle must wear the manifest failure which her team displayed on Saturday. Her only escape is if she can testify (and back up with e-mails / documentation) that Mayorkas didn’t allow her to do the job properly.
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Re: No doubt there were security failures.
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Jul 15, 2024, 4:57 PM
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Regarding the USSS Director, I'm not qualified (and I'm reasonable sure you aren't either) to pass judgement on her qualifications. That said it's real lazy to be all like WHO HIRED SOME SOFT DRANK SECURITY GUARD TO RUN THE WHOLE SS! Her resume seems pretty darn good to me. Sorry....hopefully good facts don't get in the way of your scorching hot take on this matter but here is her bio:
Kimberly Cheatle is the 27th Director of the U.S. Secret Service, sworn in to office September 17, 2022. She is responsible for successfully executing the agency’s integrated mission of protection and investigations by leading a diverse workforce composed of more than 7,800 Special Agents, Uniformed Division Officers, Technical Law Enforcement Officers, and Administrative, Professional, and Technical personnel.
Prior to her appointment, Ms. Cheatle served as Senior Director in Global Security at PepsiCo, where she was responsible for directing and implementing security protocols for the company's facilities in North America. Her role at PepsiCo involved developing risk management assessment and risk mitigation strategies.
Before joining PepsiCo, she served with distinction for 27 years in the U.S. Secret Service, most recently as Assistant Director of the Office of Protective Operations. In this position, Ms. Cheatle managed a $133.5M budget and collaborated with ten operational divisions and the Technical Security Division to research, develop and deploy technologies that reduce risks to protectees, protected facilities, and protected events.
Prior to serving as Assistant Director, Ms. Cheatle served as the Special Agent in Charge of the Atlanta Field Office, providing oversight for all mission related investigations, protective intelligence and protective visits in the state of Georgia.
Ms. Cheatle was appointed to the Senior Executive Service (SES) in February 2016 as the Special Agent in Charge of the James J. Rowley Training Center (RTC). There she directed and coordinated all aspects of training and career development for the organization, later serving as the Deputy Assistant Director for the Office of Training.
Prior to her SES appointment, Ms. Cheatle was the Special Agent in Charge, Office of Strategic Planning and Policy, where she developed and deployed an innovative web-based communication platform designed to promote open and transparent communication within the organization
It was a failure Saturday under her leadership, that is a FACT
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Is she going to add letting a 20 year old dufus
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Jul 15, 2024, 11:19 PM
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Establish a high ground position within 150 yards and clear line of sight to the leading presidential candidate (and former president) because its “outside of the perimeter” to her resume?
Hire some one from a cigarette company, an oil/mining company or a defense contractor. That’s where the real hardcore security work is done.
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Re: No doubt there were security failures.
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Dude. Are you seriously defending her after this debacle? A 20 yr old kid, with no military training, outsmarted the secret service and fired 8 rounds before a local police sniper took him out.
She should resign immediately. Obama head of ss resigned after a man jumped over the White House fence with a knife.
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D@mn straight. Head of Secret Service needs at least 20 to 25 yrs of experience***
Jul 15, 2024, 4:59 PM
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So 27 is ok right?***
Jul 15, 2024, 6:18 PM
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We need to wait on the facts
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Jul 15, 2024, 6:36 PM
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before assigning blame, but thankfully Mayorkas didn’t say the perimeter was secure.
I mean we’re only talking about one guy breaching the perimeter and he was not a got away. Right!
This was too huge of a security screw up for the facts not to be ultimately determined, but until then, in fairness to the SS director and even Mayorkas, calls for either to be fired are premature.
Mayorkas however should have been shitcanned long ago for his BS re: the border.
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You do realize she worked at the SS for 27 years prior
Jul 15, 2024, 9:08 PM
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right? It’s not like Pepsi was her only experience. They dropped the ball big time, but it’s best not to mischaracterize her, it takes away from your point.
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Orange Blooded [4552]
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There are plenty of people that work for their company for 27 years
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Jul 15, 2024, 11:22 PM
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That have no business running it
The requirement at the USSS is zero failure
They failed and someone needs to get fired and it needs to be public
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Oh. So back to your OP, just working for "pepsi" isn't qualified.
Jul 16, 2024, 11:41 AM
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Working at the SS for 27 yrs doesn't mean much either apparently.
What qualifications do you expect someone like this to have? Perhaps you should get involved in hiring the next candidtate.
You've seemed to move the goal posts on this one, and fairly quickly.
Making mistakes does not always = unqualified. Big difference between being unqualified, and unsatisfactory job performance. You know that though I'm sure.
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This isnt the first F up
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Jul 16, 2024, 12:40 PM
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And this one was colossal
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Re: Oh. So back to your OP, just working for "pepsi" isn't qualified.
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Jul 16, 2024, 2:37 PM
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The director of the secret service:
"That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside,"
That makes zero sense with 2 counter snipers clearly stationed on top of the sloped roof behind the stage
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Make no mistake. I'm not saying the SS was flawless here. There were
Jul 16, 2024, 2:41 PM
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without question mistakes made. Obviously.
Saying the head of the SS when she was hired was unqualified is what I'm challenging.
Pepsi worker! Wait...27 years of prior experience largely in leadership positions within the SS? Well you know not everyone with tenure is qualified right?
Let's stay on task. Why was she unqualified when hired?
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Orange Blooded [4552]
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I happen to know she never served on the presidential protection
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Jul 16, 2024, 5:08 PM
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team. I’m happy for you to try and fact check that.
She did serve on the vice presidential protection team during the Obama administration when Joe Biden was vice president.
I happen to think that the Director of the Secret Service should have at least some experience serving on the “A team” before being promoted to assistant director of protective operations or otherwise. And being the head security guard for Pepsi is no substitute. My opinion and please feel free to disagree.
And if the next trump administration appoints McDonalds head security guard director of the secret service, I’ll say the same thing.
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I mean, that's sort of like saying to be an NFL coach you have to have
Jul 16, 2024, 5:26 PM
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played in the NFL. Not all players make great coaches, so that arguement could be made both ways.
As a Director of the SS she has far more responsibility for oversight than just protecting a president or current presidential candidates. That responsibility extends to foreign diplomats, families of all of the aforementioned, and other political figures.
SS also has responsibility for the US financial infrastructure as well as other critical infrastructure.
My point is I would think be safe in assuming that her actually drawing up a plan to protect a given presidential candidate doesn't happen. I'd think in that type of organization there is someone else more directly involved with and responsible for that.
Wouldn't make sense to just hire a person with actual presidential security detail experience as I'm not sure those qualifications alone would be enough to run the entirety of that organization.
Not saying she shouldn't be held accountable, just also not sure I'm ready to say she wasn't a qualified candidate because she physically hasn't protected, in person, a sitting US president or presidential candidate.
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Im sorry, but disagree with the analogy
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Jul 17, 2024, 1:14 PM
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First of all - how many NFL coaches never played or assistant coached in the NFL prior?
How many arena league coaches get hired to run NFL teams?
Secondly, the cost of a mistake in the NFL vs the secret service is incomparable
You can take a “flyer” on an NFL coach
You don’t take “flyers” on the Director of the Secret Service
This is not a “let’s give Dabo a chance” type of job
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Re: Im sorry, but disagree with the analogy
Jul 17, 2024, 1:17 PM
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Would you ever consider taking a "flyer" for POTUS?
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Lol. Trump never held a government job yet became
Jul 17, 2024, 1:20 PM
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president. And that’s the person he worships. Kind of throws his argument out the window.
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Re: Lol. Trump never held a government job yet became
Jul 17, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Chump81 continues to embarass himself on here. 😆
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Nominating Hillary Clinton gave the nation cause to take a flyer
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Now he’s been president, so he’s no longer a flyer.
Want to talk about a flyer? Electing a senile Joe Biden who isn’t going to serve a 4 year term and passing the torch to Kamala Harris - who’s done Jack #### her whole life. That’s a flyer
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Re: Nominating Hillary Clinton gave the nation cause to take a flyer
Jul 17, 2024, 1:54 PM
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I remember when Brandon was shown a picture of his accuser who he said was "not his type" and he swore up and down that it was wife. Doesn't get any worse than that, does it? 😆
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Re: Nominating Hillary Clinton gave the nation cause to take a flyer
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Your sentences make no sense. Maybe you caught that head cold Biden has. Rest up and get better soon
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Re: Oh. So back to your OP, just working for "pepsi" isn't qualified.
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Jul 17, 2024, 1:48 PM
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Dude if you think that was a “mistake” you’re an idiot or willfully ignorant. That was straight up neglect or something worse. I’m not making accusations yet but there is no way that kid got on the one roof that didn’t have a sniper. People saw the kid 30 min before he shot. How do you explain that?
Cheadle really came out and made some ######## excuse about a sloped roof. When the local police sniper killed the kid from a sloped roof.
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You are making accusations.
Jul 17, 2024, 7:56 PM
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Tell us how the water tower guy fits in? TIA.
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Re: So will Myorkis get the same SS team that investigated the White House cocaine
Jul 17, 2024, 1:16 PM
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Would this have happened if a white male was in charge of SS?
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Orange Blooded [4552]
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Yeah, probably so
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Jul 17, 2024, 2:01 PM
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If he had the same level of experience
No military experience
No presidential protection experience
Was a manager of a bunch of rent a cops for a soft drink company
Yup, i think we’d be in about the same spot…
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Re: Yeah, probably so
Jul 17, 2024, 2:10 PM
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What do you believe are the day to day responsibilities of the director of the SS? Personally planning the structure and logistics of every single event the SS is involved in? 😆
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Re: Yeah, probably so
Jul 17, 2024, 2:26 PM
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Non sequitur.
Knowledge about the day to day duties of the SS Director has no relevance about whether or not the SS director’s team had an epic fail.
Ms. Cheatle’s SS had an epic fail. No one cares about whether the organization of SS HQ’s Friday afternoon ice cream parties are delegated among subordinates in accordance with the SS HR Department’s personnel rotational guidelines.
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Re: Yeah, probably so
Jul 17, 2024, 2:30 PM
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What you are saying is that whenever something terrible happens within an organization/entity, the person at the top should be held accountable?
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Re: Yeah, probably so
Jul 17, 2024, 7:04 PM
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Nope.
Those are your words, generalizing a situation in order to escape the particulars of a specific situation doesn’t look good for your ‘guy.’
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No
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It’s about selecting and holding accountable the people who do those things.
AND
If she’s afraid of a 2 and 12 metal pitch roof, buys that lame ### excuse from her subordinates, and tries to convince the American People that it’s a legitimate reason for failing to protect the former and next president of the United States, then she has no business in that job.
She belongs in HUD or some other meaningless government agency pushing papers
I don’t see an inch of middle ground here. This isn’t a political thing. It’s a practical matter of life and death.
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Re: No
Jul 17, 2024, 3:52 PM
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Do you believe that people at the top should be held accountable for their people?
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I'll answer
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Jul 17, 2024, 3:56 PM
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In a life or death mission-centric scenario...
...ABSOLUTELY!
Now your turn. Answer your own question.
Message was edited by: CUnext®
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Re: I'll answer
Jul 17, 2024, 4:01 PM
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Whose name is at the top of the MAGA movement and why do you believe they should not be held accountable for J6?
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Re: I'll answer
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Jul 17, 2024, 4:05 PM
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Look at Birm scurrying away from answering a question again.
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Re: I'll answer
Jul 17, 2024, 4:14 PM
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They should be investigated, put under oath, and see where that goes.
Now answer my question.
#checkmate
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Re: I'll answer
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Jul 17, 2024, 4:20 PM
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I already answered your question before you deflected from the OP and avoided answering the same question.
Stay on topic or start a different post.
#whiff
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Re: I'll answer
Jul 17, 2024, 4:22 PM
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So why are you against Trump being tried and held accountable for J6?
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Re: I'll answer
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Jul 17, 2024, 4:27 PM
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You don't even want to play by your own rules. Give up the game. You lose.
Go play with yourself, your game stinks and you know it.
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Re: I'll answer
Jul 17, 2024, 4:30 PM
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Slithering away from this beatdown is your only option. Keep that tail tucked. 😆
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Re: I'll answer
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Jul 17, 2024, 4:32 PM
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At least you're a proud loser... Buh-bye
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Re: I'll answer
Jul 17, 2024, 4:49 PM
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Those darn MEAN TWEETs.
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