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For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 4:28 PM
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Coach Caldwells O-line has been severely lacking for years. He did nothing with Jackson Carmen. Bockhorst gets manhandled every game like he's paying for the abuse. And here's what we have on the team (vs UGA below)
Clemson Oline:
5 stars: 1
4 stars: 9
3 stars: 5
2 stars: 1
Walk On: 4
Total: 20
Total Stars: 63
UGA OLine:
5 stars: 5
4 stars: 11
3 stars: 5
2 stars: 1
Walk on:
Total: 22
Total Stars: 86
Perhaps certain Clemson fans fail to see that while UGA has accomplished little in the last decade, they still recruit at a far higher pace on the Oline.....and that's with their brand new coach/former Ole Miss failure, Matt Luke.
What does this mean? It means that when given the chance, high end OLine recruits would rather attend UGA, than a Clemson.
That's a coach issue. One that I guarantee the competitors use against Clemson.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 4:30 PM
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It obviously means if we just had an average OL, we would never lose a game. We’ve been punching above our weight for ever.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 4:41 PM
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But yet the teams were neck and neck the whole game so what is your point. From what you just posted, it looks like Clemson is doing more with less. Stars are much different but return on investment is not.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 4:55 PM
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Yes, Clemson does more with less. I thought everyone knew this.
Check out average recruiting rankings when we won it all in 2016 and 2018.
Based on recruiting, Bama should NEVER lose a game. Ever.
But if we just had a reasonable OL we often have a punchers chance and sometimes it ends up 44-16.
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All-American [581]
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You born Saturday?
Sep 9, 2021, 6:00 PM
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6 of 7 playoffs
4 of 7 national title games
2 of 7 national titles
2nd most playoff wins
2nd most wins in the playoff era
Best run in Clemson history. By far.
More with less. Obviously.
You cannot possibly be so dense, can you?
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Orange Blooded [2527]
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Re: You born Saturday?
Sep 9, 2021, 6:14 PM
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Yes he can.
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Re: You born Saturday?
Sep 9, 2021, 7:40 PM
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No. I’m wondering if you’re a drunk with exceptional typing skills or just ridiculously slow.
Once again, Corky, the subject at hand is the current o-line. Get with the program, already.
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All-American [581]
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You're completely lost.
Sep 9, 2021, 10:05 PM
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The issue is doing more with less, not one game.
My word you're slow.
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To those complaining
Sep 8, 2021, 4:43 PM
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Eff U you're just an Idiot on the message board
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Re: To those complaining
Sep 9, 2021, 10:32 AM
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....and you're some po-dunk redneck from Laurens.
GTFOY
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 4:46 PM
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Did you pay attention to the game? UGA offense did not score either... quit complaining, another ignorant comment. Stars are potential, Hunter Renfrow was a 0 star... remember him?
Perhaps certain Clemson not really fans are just complainers...
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 12:44 AM
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Are you friggin kiddin me? You Clemson fan
Are you friggin kiddin me. I hope you can take class in football 101 if you can’t see what’s happening! It’s right in front of your eyes. And I’m the biggest Clemson fan ever.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:35 AM
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Hunter Renfrow didn't play in the trenches, genius. Secondly - he was coached by Scott, who was offered a HC job for his success. If you want to compare apples to apples, then do so - but don't waste my time with irrelevant comments.....
Last 4 loses:
LSU/CLEMSON Natty:
Clemson: 15 carrier for 78 yards.
LSU: 16 carries for 110 yards
OSU/Clemson Semi:
Clemson: 22 carries for 44 yards.
OSU: 44 carries for 254 yards
ND/Clemson 2020 season:
Clemson: 18 carries for 28 yards
Notre Dame: 23 carries for 140 yards.
UGA/Clemson 2021 opener:
Clemson: 23 carries for 2 yards
UGA: 31 carries for 121 yards
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:49 AM
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Did you not pay attention to the original comment?
UGA "not scoring" had NOTHING to do with Clemson's Oline.
Do you understand the basic concepts of how football works....or are you just alleviating your online rage until your Twitter account is restored?
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He's saying UGA's 5star oline scored 3 points.
Sep 9, 2021, 11:49 AM
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Slow down and think a little bit.
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Re: He's saying UGA's 5star oline scored 3 points.
Sep 9, 2021, 1:09 PM
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Did the UGA offense allow seven sacks in JT Daniels?
Nope.
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LOL. 3 points.
Sep 9, 2021, 6:07 PM
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Please read slower. Comprehension is the key.
Look, UGA has clearly outrecruited Clemson for years. Georgia won two big games in the playoff era - Oklahoma and Clemson. Clemson lost the game.
UGA has nothing to show for all that recruiting.
And before you jump on that SEC jockstrap, Clemson has played overall harder schedules every year but one in the CFP era. And we won ton more big games. 2nd most playoff wins, 4 of 7 national title games, and 2 of 7 national titles.
Clemson is the 2nd best team in the playoff era, hands down. Georgia has ONE playoff appearance.
Clemson does more with less, and Georgia does less with more.
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Re: LOL. 3 points.
Sep 9, 2021, 7:43 PM
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Don’t. Care.
Subject - once again -subject matter is the current oline.
If reading comprehension isn’t your thing I can break out an etch and sketch or a box of crayons, I guess….
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No, its not. Your original post is NOT focused on
Sep 9, 2021, 10:08 PM
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the OL of one game, and neither is the 3 points issue.
Look, if you're going to keep arguing and making a fool of yourself, at least try to not get lost in your own words.
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Re: LOL. 3 points.
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Don’t. Care.
Subject - once again -subject matter is the current oline.
If reading comprehension isn’t your thing I can break out an etch and sketch or a box of crayons, I guess….
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 4:52 PM
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Leon Trotsky posted the entire rosters of both teams before the game. Think uga had like 19 5* players to our 9 or 10.
Not to discount what you're saying because it does get used against us that we aren't good at putting oline in the NFL. That said, I don't think we necessarily have to have NFL oline. You can have great college olineman.
And swimmer is correct, we have punched above and won 2 nattys. Now, what does puzzle me is why haven't we seen a bump in recruiting with as much dominance we've achieved over the last decade. We're consistently on the outside of uga, osu, Bama and then a few more.
Not that star power is everything, it's usually a good barometer on how teams do. We leave zero room for error and yes, it bites us and is.
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Actually things have improved
Sep 9, 2021, 3:49 AM
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If you look at the 2020 and 2021 recruiting classes we have been getting mostly 4 and 5 star kids on the OL. And we have 4 and 5 star kids committed for 2022. So we are finally getting quality recruits for the Oline.
Problem is OL is arguably the hardest position to scout project and develop and it often takes a few years to develop them at this level because most need to get stronger and most got by on size in high school but at this level technique is critical.
So it’s a difficult position to recruit, scout, develop and it takes time and a lot of them get hurt. Which is why Ford typically took 5 OL in every recruiting class whereas we often only take 3 or 4 now.
And after all of that to make things even more complicated you have to get 5 of them to work together as a group on the field.
Part of the problem Saturday was we had a starting guard out and Bockhorst was moved to center from his natural position of guard. We played like crap but I bet had we played Georgia week 2 or 3 they would have played significantly better. We desperately needed a warmup game or two for this Oline to gel given the situation. Playing a defense like Georgia week one was a tough draw.
But we have better talent now that past years but they are young and inexperienced and more help is on the way, which is why I have posted numerous times that I’m willing to be patient a little longer BUT we need to see significant improvement next season. If not the excuse won’t be talent. The problem will be pretty obvious at that point: coaching.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 4:53 PM
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Georgia's recruiting is terrific. They deserve credit. Their ROI is not terrific. They've been losing exactly 3.33 games per season since 2003. Indeed, Clemson does more with less. 
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:39 AM
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UGA plays in the SEC.
3 out of the last 6 loses we've had were to SEC teams.
If we played in the SEC, would our ROI be terrific? Most likely not. We've been able to hide our inefficiencies for years behind weak conference play and superb QB/WRs.
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Name a team (other than Alabama) with more top 5
Sep 9, 2021, 11:53 AM
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and playoff wins than Clemson. You can't find one with more than Clemson.
Save us the SEC chestbumping.
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Re: Name a team (other than Alabama) with more top 5
Sep 9, 2021, 1:04 PM
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Again….the conversation is “oline”…..not championships. Our oline has sucked for the last 3 years, minimum. Oddly enough, each of those years has resulted in at least one tumultuous *** beating by an alternate conference winner.
I reeeeeeaaaaally don’t understand why it’s so difficult to equate 3 years of embarrassing losses with the overt numbers showing our complete fallout in the running game.
SEC chest thumping? More like “don’t want to return to mediocrity due to staff loyalty”
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Re: Name a team (other than Alabama) with more top 5
Sep 9, 2021, 1:04 PM
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Again….the conversation is “oline”…..not championships. Our oline has sucked for the last 3 years, minimum. Oddly enough, each of those years has resulted in at least one tumultuous *** beating by an alternate conference winner.
I reeeeeeaaaaally don’t understand why it’s so difficult to equate 3 years of embarrassing losses with the overt numbers showing our complete fallout in the running game.
SEC chest thumping? More like “don’t want to return to mediocrity due to staff loyalty”
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Stinkin' UofSC kept UGA out of the playoffs just a couple seasons ago
Sep 9, 2021, 11:56 AM
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Yeah buddy, that SEC gauntlet!
UGA plays in the SEC lEast. There's no excuse for ONE playoff appearance ever.
Again, save the SEC chestbumping.
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Re: Stinkin' UofSC kept UGA out of the playoffs just a couple seasons ago
Sep 9, 2021, 1:15 PM
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Yeah buddy. The ACC gauntlet. Keep in mind, we’ve coughed games to Pitt and Cuse, #### near lost to NC State 2 years ago, almost lost to BC last year and did lose to an over ranked ND last year.
Don’t get ahead of yourself. I’m well aware that 80% of the SEC is absolute trash. Unfortunately 95% of the ACC is as well.
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So we lost 3 games against the SEC in 4 years?
Sep 9, 2021, 10:17 PM
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You can't extrapolate 3 games over the course of 4 years. Plus when we beat the SEC champion that means we could beat everyone they did. We lost 2 games to national champions and this one against UGA. Seems we'd be in exactly the place we are now, with the same ROI.. that is, 2nd best in the playoff era.
We had won 11 straight regular season games vs the SEC prior to Saturday.
Does that SEC jockstrap smell good?
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Yeah I see what you mean
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Re: Yeah I see what you mean
Sep 8, 2021, 8:51 PM
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Lol please don’t pretend they don’t have go through Alabama every season to just have a sniff at the CFP…
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Sep 9, 2021, 10:56 AM
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But, but, but.. SEC! It's a gauntlet. Meatgrinder every week!
Sep 9, 2021, 11:36 AM
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These SEC jocksniffers need to admit - Georgia has done less with more, for 40 years. Watch and see if they don't screw it up again this year. I honestly get the feeling they're going to lose at least two. Their defense was obviously tough, but we lost that game. Any semblance of an offense we win.
Good game, Georgia (and SEC jocksniffers). But please don't pretend as if you've finally got over that dog-choke hump.
Call it sour grapes, but we lost that game, Georgia didn't take it. Even with the play of the OL, a seasoned QB and we win.
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Why are you using CFP appearances as a measuring stick. Georgia usually has to go through the eventually NC just to make the playoffs while we play some unranked 3-4 loss the in the ACCCG. All you needed to say was 2 NCs in 5 years to their 0. Everything else you mentioned would more than likely get you laughed at outside of our fanbase because it holds no weight.
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Re: Yeah I see what you mean
Sep 9, 2021, 10:59 AM
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Re: Yeah I see what you mean
Sep 9, 2021, 1:20 PM
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So….
If the overt “challenge in front of us” is that, statistically, our oline sucks and has been the main reason for season ending loses, shouldn’t we “meet the challenges put right in front of us” before getting out @sses kicked again?
Derp.
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Why are you using CFP appearances as a measuring stick. Georgia usually has to go through the eventually NC just to make the playoffs while we play some unranked 3-4 loss the in the ACCCG. All you needed to say was 2 NCs in 5 years to their 0. Everything else you mentioned would more than likely get you laughed at outside of our fanbase because it holds no weight.
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Re: Yeah I see what you mean
Sep 9, 2021, 12:35 PM
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Tell em coot!
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No - you obviously don't see what I mean....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:16 AM
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LSU/CLEMSON Natty:
Clemson: 15 carrier for 78 yards.
LSU: 16 carries for 110 yards
OSU/Clemson Semi:
Clemson: 22 carries for 44 yards.
OSU: 44 carries for 254 yards
ND/Clemson 2020 season:
Clemson: 18 carries for 28 yards
Notre Dame: 23 carries for 140 yards.
UGA/Clemson 2021 opener:
Clemson: 23 carries for 2 yards
UGA: 31 carries for 121 yards
These are the last 4 games we've lost.
ALL have been due our OLINE's total inability to open the lanes for the running game.....making Clemson overtly ONE-DIMENSIONAL.
So yeah - because our OLINE coach sucks, you better "hurry up and some more of those star things"
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Sep 9, 2021, 11:18 AM
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UGA's OL was not impressive at all Saturday. They
Sep 8, 2021, 5:07 PM
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did not roll up a bunch of yardage on the ground. They only had 121 yards rushing, and 135 yards passing. Clemson had 178 yards passing, and due to 7 sacks only finished with 2 yards net rushing. From your OL recruiting information, the only bump was UGA had five 5 stars to Clemson's one 5 star.
The four stars, three stars, and two stars are almost identical.
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Re: UGA's OL was not impressive at all Saturday. They
Sep 9, 2021, 10:22 AM
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"...the only bump..." ???
The ONLY bump was our inability to keep UGA from sacking our QB at will......
The ONLY bump was our inability to open up any lanes for our running game...
The ONLY bump was watching FIVE clemson linemen get man-handled by THREE uga linemen.
If those 3, 4 and 5 stars are "identical" - then what's our excuse for losing 4 of the last 5 marquee match ups? Bad luck? Nope.
We have a mediocre Oline, capable of pushing ACC teams around and nothing more. OLine coach needs replacing.
Clemson FB is now a business. It should be run like one. If there's a weak link, you replace it.
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The OL was terrible no excuses there.
Sep 9, 2021, 11:01 AM
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But three or four of those sacks were because of DJ.
At times he did not step up into the pocket, once he ran right into the tackler, and he held onto the Ball way way way too #### long!
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Re: The OL was terrible no excuses there.
Sep 9, 2021, 2:15 PM
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Not denying that he held the ball too long.
Also not denying that a first year starter **** his pants a few times after getting whipped by NFL caliber DL's.
There's only so many times that kid was going to take another brutal sack before not trusting his OLINE or O-Coordinator to make the right moves for the rest of the team.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 5:09 PM
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Between 2015 and 2018 the O line was pretty solid so Robbie Caldwell must have done something right .
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:26 AM
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Great. Between 2018 and now, its bad.
Caldwell must be doing something wrong.
You want to ride that sinking ship down - you be my guest.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:33 AM
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Also even those years the recruiting was pretty bad. We lucked out that Gage a converted DT ended up being a pretty good guard and the strongest player on the team. But that says something whenever your best offensive lineman is a defensive lineman. Maybe that means you're doing something wrong in Oline recruiting.
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So You Are Saying All of UGA's O-Line Stars Scored
Sep 8, 2021, 6:28 PM
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as much as Clemson's pedestrian O-Line. Cool Story Bro
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Re: So You Are Saying All of UGA's O-Line Stars Scored
Sep 9, 2021, 10:26 AM
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Dumb comment that makes no sense.
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It makes perfect sense.
Sep 9, 2021, 12:02 PM
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Its not his fault you're incapable of understanding a simple comparison.
You're harping on UGA's oline like they're worldbeaters. What did that 5star oline do to win the game? Nothing.
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It makes ZERO sense….
Sep 9, 2021, 3:39 PM
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….and considering you’ve lined up a litany of these blind-@** “we’re still the best, Go Dabo” homer comments, your retorts are becoming less relevant. So after you’re done translating that guys “simple comment”, see your way back to Twitter, clown.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 6:33 PM
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If you think the sky IS falling, you place too much value on one game at this point of the season. I'd rather have faith than constant negativity. Life's too short.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:42 AM
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Your memory may be even shorter.....
One game??? The last 4 we've lost have been due to our OLINE sh**ting the bed:
LSU/CLEMSON Natty:
Clemson: 15 carrier for 78 yards.
LSU: 16 carries for 110 yards
OSU/Clemson Semi:
Clemson: 22 carries for 44 yards.
OSU: 44 carries for 254 yards
ND/Clemson 2020 season:
Clemson: 18 carries for 28 yards
Notre Dame: 23 carries for 140 yards.
UGA/Clemson 2021 opener:
Clemson: 23 carries for 2 yards
UGA: 31 carries for 121 yards
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Tiger Spirit [9936]
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 7:25 PM
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Losers blame someone else and winners figure out how to win the next game. Our record says we have winners.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:28 AM
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"Losers blame someone else"
And DA fan-boys usually ignore the writing on the wall.....
"Our record says we have winners"......really? Rushing stats from the last 4 games we've lost....with a 1st round RB and QB
LSU/CLEMSON Natty:
Clemson: 15 carrier for 78 yards.
LSU: 16 carries for 110 yards
OSU/Clemson Semi:
Clemson: 22 carries for 44 yards.
OSU: 44 carries for 254 yards
ND/Clemson 2020 season:
Clemson: 18 carries for 28 yards
Notre Dame: 23 carries for 140 yards.
UGA/Clemson 2021 opener:
Clemson: 23 carries for 2 yards
UGA: 31 carries for 121 yards
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Tiger Spirit [9936]
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 7:26 PM
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Losers blame someone else and winners figure out how to win the next game. Our record says we have winners.
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Game Changer [1777]
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 8:46 PM
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Recruit?? Mr Benjamin the recruiting coordinator???
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Game Changer [1777]
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 8:46 PM
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Recruit?? Mr Benjamin the recruiting coordinator???
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 10:35 PM
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UGA still runs a pro set offense. They will get the best linemen and backs. It features them better for NFL.
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 8, 2021, 11:00 PM
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So what do you propose about this HUGE issue of UGA having 4 more 5 stars on their o-line?
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:30 AM
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Replace Caldwell.
He's old. He's not a great recruiter. He's not a great coach. The elite teams that compete have figured out how to beat Clemson: shut down the garbage oline, make them one-dimensional.
RB stats from last 4 loses:
LSU/CLEMSON Natty:
Clemson: 15 carrier for 78 yards.
LSU: 16 carries for 110 yards
OSU/Clemson Semi:
Clemson: 22 carries for 44 yards.
OSU: 44 carries for 254 yards
ND/Clemson 2020 season:
Clemson: 18 carries for 28 yards
Notre Dame: 23 carries for 140 yards.
UGA/Clemson 2021 opener:
Clemson: 23 carries for 2 yards
UGA: 31 carries for 121 yards
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 12:42 AM
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Why in the hell can’t Dabo see he hasn’t an offensive line to compete in 3 years??? I mean he’s doubting my ability to be head coach now!
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The sky is NOT falling
Sep 9, 2021, 4:00 AM
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BUT we do have multiple issues on the offensive side and problem number one is the OL. I think we have lacked talent and coaching. We have some young talent now and more on the way. But we must get better soon otherwise the obvious problem will be coaching. How much longer is Dabo willing to cover for our coaching deficiencies?
There are some programs out there that always have a great oh well even when they don’t necessarily have a great team. Texas A&M, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, often Pittsburgh, Boston College, and others. Surely one of those OL coaches and staff would love to be at Clemson and win championships!
And we absolutely positively need to take it vantage of the transfer portal if for no other reason then to build some quality depth. Ohio State, Georgia, and LSU beat us largely thanks to transfer players!
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Re: For Clemson fans claiming "the sky's not falling"....
Sep 9, 2021, 10:33 AM
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Can we just lay-off Robbie Caldwell. He’s going to be turning 70 soon and is probably retiring this year. Dabo knows that loyalty is a 2way street. Who’s up next. Tommy Austin?
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All-In [10770]
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Are you saying UGAs OL played well in Saturday's game?***
Sep 9, 2021, 10:42 AM
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Re: Are you saying UGAs OL played well in Saturday's game?***
Sep 9, 2021, 10:57 AM
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Nope. They weren't anything special against our elite defense.....and JT Daniels is so grossly over-rated by ESPN it's sickening.
I'm saying Clemson's Oline played like worse.
UGA didn't take 7 sacks. Clemson did.
UGA had over 120 yards rushing. Clemson had 2.
Point is, our OLine is not coached well. The star rankings simply show that our recruiting efforts follow what we see on the field.
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Tiger Titan [47977]
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Run some metrics on UGA RBs in the NFL comared with us.
Sep 9, 2021, 10:51 AM
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Then let me know if you think it's that they do such a great job of developing OLs, or if perhaps they are recruiting at a much higher level at RB.
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Re: Run some metrics on UGA RBs in the NFL comared with us.
Sep 9, 2021, 11:03 AM
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Sure.
UGA currently has 3x 1st-round RB's in the league.
UGA currently has 7x 1st-round Olinemen in the league.
Clemson has 2x RB's in the league: one 1st round injured, one 3rd round bench warmer
Clemson has 5x Linemen ranging from 1st to 5th round.
So yes - the fact that they have MORE players in the league, drafter MUCH higher on the board, 100% means that they do a better job of developing O-linemen.
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Tiger Titan [47977]
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Hey, they also recruit better.
Sep 9, 2021, 12:16 PM
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Kind of hard to rule that fact out.
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Re: Hey, they also recruit better.
Sep 9, 2021, 12:35 PM
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...which basically coincides with my original point.
They recruit better - with no titles to their name in 40 years - with multiple coaching changes - playing in the toughest conference in the country.
....and we're 70 miles away. Beautiful campus. Stellar coaching staff. National Champions. Very little coaching turnover. Recruiting skill players like it's nothing.......but either can't recruit OLmen or can't develop them.
It's shows in the NFL recruiting numbers. High end HS athletes see that as well.
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What do you mean he did nothing with Carmen?
Sep 9, 2021, 11:47 AM
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Carmen was a 2nd round pick in the best football league in the world. Carmen was the best OL we've had come thru since Mitch Hyatt. Carmen was our most consistent OL. What do you mean Caldwell "did nothing with him"? How many OL from any team ever get drafted in the 1st round?
Bockhorst consistently grades out high and typically leads the line. What are you talking about he gets abused? Are you talking about his first ever start at center, or for his career?
Look, something is wrong with our OL. I personally don't think its technique though. I think it's strength and physicality. Part of that stems from a lack of practicing for the physical mindset. Something has gone astray since 2018, and I think we've moved way too much to a finesse game. We need to get back to more physical practices and work on punching the other dude in the mouth. Let's face it.. our run game is a joke against anyone with a pulse.
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Re: What do you mean he did nothing with Carmen?
Sep 9, 2021, 12:42 PM
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Jackson was the 7th OT taken off the boards in last years NFL Draft.
For a guy that was the number 1 player in OH when Clemson drafted him....he was drafter after OL's from:
Oregon
Northwestern
Alabama
Virginia Tech
Oklahoma State
Stanford
Bockhorst:
If time permits, go back and watch last years CU/ND game in southbend. Count how many times he's literally thrown to the ground.
Then go watch the UGA game. How many defenders run RIGHT past him. The amount of missed assignments was insane.
Same for the LSU game.
Same for the OSU semi.
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Game Day Hero [4170]
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All in - I fully trust Dabo and his staff - end of story***
Sep 9, 2021, 1:04 PM
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Re: All in - I fully trust Dabo and his staff - end of story***
Sep 9, 2021, 1:24 PM
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Awesome.
I did the same from the upper deck of the super dome in N’orleans…..then again when we took a beat down from OSU and again last week when we could barely muster a field goal….
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Re: All in - I fully trust Dabo and his staff - end of story***
Sep 9, 2021, 3:35 PM
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And your point? Nobody is getting fired because of your Tigernet rant.
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Re: All in - I fully trust Dabo and his staff - end of story***
Sep 9, 2021, 3:49 PM
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Awesome. It’s a message board, DA. This is where fans espouse their teams achievements…. And their abject failures.
Your feelings still hurt, sweetheart?
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Re: All in - I fully trust Dabo and his staff - end of story***
Sep 9, 2021, 3:49 PM
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Awesome. It’s a message board, DA. This is where fans espouse their teams achievements…. And their abject failures.
Your feelings still hurt, sweetheart?
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