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Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
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https://www.reuters.com/legal/former-trump-lawyer-ellis-strikes-deal-georgia-case-report-2023-10-24/
WASHINGTON, Oct 24 (Reuters) - Another former lawyer for Donald Trump, Jenna Ellis, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a charge related to the former U.S. president's efforts to overturn his 2020 election defeat in the state of Georgia.
Ellis, told an Atlanta court that she "failed to do my due diligence" in vetting claims about voter fraud from other Trump attorneys.
“If I knew then what I knew now, I would have declined to represent Donald Trump in these post-challenges." Ellis said, her voice breaking at times.
"What I did not do and should have done, your honor, was to make sure that the facts the other lawyers alleged to be true were in fact true," Ellis told Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee. "I look back on this whole experience with deep remorse."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQUre_TmYQ
Another rat jumps off the ship. This witch hunt has turned up an entire coven.
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At the rate these folks are pleadin' guilty Steve Bannon ain't gonna have
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Oct 24, 2023, 10:31 AM
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any available guests for his daily gaslighting show....
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Re: At the rate these folks are pleadin' guilty Steve Bannon ain't gonna have
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Oct 24, 2023, 4:40 PM
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So let me get this straight - There were what 25-30 felonies that were dismissed for a couple of misdemeanors so far - this is a win?
For starters, the cost of defense is huge - that alone is worth a plea
Don't get too excited to get MAGA in court - He will finally have the power to introduce evidence and subpoena witnesses.
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Re: At the rate these folks are pleadin' guilty Steve Bannon ain't gonna have
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Oct 24, 2023, 5:03 PM
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And I'm sure he will do so with the exciting and impressive legal acumen we've come to expect from Donald and all his lawyers. No, no, not the ones who are now pleading guilty to felonies, these new ones. You know, like that chick who was a New Jersey parking garage lawyer. She's gonna get it done and show these Gubmint prosecutors the What For.
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Hey man.
Oct 24, 2023, 9:28 PM
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At least we get to stare at Alina Habba and her particular brand of hotness on the TV. It almost makes it all worth it.
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Re: At the rate these folks are pleadin' guilty Steve Bannon ain't gonna have
Oct 24, 2023, 9:15 PM
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Ellis and Chesebro both pleaded to felonies. Disbarrment, loss of civil rights (especially guns), and limits on travel while on probation. But they avoid jail time.
Hall and Powell went first and second and got misdemeanors. Might be the last without felonies. Not sure when the first prison sentence is coming, or how Georgia is going to handle sentencing Trump to confinement. Best guess is house arrest to accommodate the secret service, but he’ll have to live in Georgia.
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Yep. Not a coincidence the pleas are starting to stack up.
Oct 24, 2023, 9:29 PM
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No loyalty among thieves.
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Re: they are not disbarred
Oct 28, 2023, 2:53 PM
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Disbarrment happens after the conviction, by the state bar, not the court. They are soon to be disbarred.
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Why do brilliant govt lawyers keep getting whooped?
Oct 25, 2023, 9:57 PM
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These pleas by Chesborough and Ellis were an administrative formality.
Under GA’s ‘First Offender’ law, the actual final judgement did not contain any reference to a felony.
Chesborough got 5 years probation, after which (assuming he doesn’t start shooting up liquor stores) all record of the indictment and plea deal will be expunged.
Same thing with Ellis, except that her probation is 3 years.
(?). I keep hearing from the leftist media (I also occasionally look at lefty blogs like Legal Eagle) that Trump’s lawyers and those co-indictees are stupid.
Maybe so.
However, why is it that they keep waxing the floor with the various prosecutors who had brought indictments against him / his co-indictees? It must be terribly embarrassing for the federal / state government’s super genius prosecutors to be repeatedly shamed for poor lawyering vis-a-vis Trump’s idiot lawyers.
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It must be embarrassing not understanding how Rico trials work.
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Oct 25, 2023, 10:52 PM
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The goal is not to send these lower level people to jail. The goal is to get them to testify against the main targets.
Of course, you don’t even understand how the CPI works, so I’m not surprised.
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Re: It must be embarrassing not understanding how Rico trials work.
Oct 26, 2023, 10:54 PM
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Andrew Weissman (one of many big time lawyers who hates Trump) warned exuberant Trump haters to calm down about the Powell and Chesborough judgements. (Weissman’s comments came out before the J.Ellis judgement.) Weissman’s comments took into account the gratuitous ‘Orange Man Bad apology letters’ which were one of the conditions in which Powell, Chesborough, and later Ellis had to fulfill in order to secure their final cream puff judgements.
(*). Unless someone credibly testifies that they were privy to Trump stating that he knew he lost the election, but decided to publicly state otherwise (I.e., to say publicly that he won the election after confiding to one or more among Powell / Chesborough / Ellis / etc. that he knew that he had legitimately lost the election), then the witnesses testimony will not hold up.
Trump had / has no requirement to adopt the opinions and beliefs of others. Many people have truly believed something that others did not believe. Sometimes that single person’s belief turns out to be correct; sometimes that single person’s beliefs turn out to be wrong; sometimes that single person’s beliefs can neither be proven or disproven vis-a-vis the other people’s beliefs.
It does not matter if the beliefs of the single person turn out to be true, false, or indeterminate. The entirety of a fraud allegation hinges in whether the person expressing his belief was done so sincerely, or done with the intention to deceive. Powell, Chesborough, Ellis, Meadows, Giuliani, etc. know this. Any testimony along the lines of ‘we told Trump,that he lost’ mean nothing UNLESS Trump expressed unambiguous agreement with them.
I suspect the above is why Weissman advised his fellow Trump,haters to splash some cold after on their faces.
(*). The loss that GA and Fani Willis are facing is to get neither Trump -nor- any of his so called ‘RICO’ co-conspirators. In other words, not even any ‘consolation prizes.’ A big goose egg, since State of Georgia has in effect let off the Trump ‘co-conspirators’ free as birds.
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Re: Why do brilliant govt lawyers keep getting whooped?
Oct 28, 2023, 3:09 PM
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You don't understand how it works. He pleaded guilty to a felony, period. Under the first offender laws, the record of his felony is only removed from searches we, as citizens, can make. He will still be a felon; it doesn't make him retroactively not guilty. He only gets one "first time," so the record is still there for the courts and law enforcement to see. If he commits another felony in five or ten years, it will be his second felony.
As a felon, the only way he can regain all of his civil rights is through a presidential pardon. Neither the first offender law or a governor's pardon will restore his gun rights.
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Re: Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
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Oct 24, 2023, 10:38 AM
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Yet the left wing scum who still claim Trumps a Russian spy, that he didn't really win in 2016 and that anything having to do with Hunter Biden was Russian misinformation continue on with their lives as if none of that happened. Imagine that.
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Re: Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
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Oct 24, 2023, 10:42 AM
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Russia, Hillary, Hunter Biden... ooooh all the best 'whatabout' talking points are here! You almost have a Bingo!
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These guys are soft AF on crime.
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Never seen a bunch of Pro-criminal thugs as MAGA.
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Re: Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
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Oct 24, 2023, 10:57 AM
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Dude, you are not okay. Seriously.
"Left wing scum"...my man, you absolutely seethe hatred, and you seem to have absolutely zero self-awareness what these daily proclamations the left wants to murder you and your constant vitriolic language actually say about you to the rest of us.
You're either a psychopath or you really, really, really need to switch to decaf.
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Re: Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
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Oct 24, 2023, 12:14 PM
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They've got a business to run?
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Re: Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
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Oct 24, 2023, 12:27 PM
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She's a lawyer. Why would she plead guilty if she was innocent?
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You didn't READ the plea deal?
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Oct 24, 2023, 12:34 PM
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"The plea agreement calls for her to be sentenced to five years of probation and $5,000 in restitution."
That's not even a slap on the wrist...and she can immediately get back to making huge $$$, only this time it'll be from all the new lefty clients that will suddenly be seeking her services.
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Nobody will be seeking her legal services.
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She'll be a traitor on the right.
And the Left already knows her as a not very smart person.
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Re: Nobody will be seeking her legal services.
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...and that's exactly who 'the Left' wants on there side...'useful idiots'.
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Re: You didn't READ the plea deal?
Oct 25, 2023, 10:02 PM
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Chesborough’s final plea document was watered down under State of GA’s ‘First Offender’ law.
Assuming that he doesn’t violate the terms of his probation, all record of his plea will be expunged from the record.
No jail, token fines totaling ~ $7,700.
Seeetheart last minute plea deal offered by a desperate prosecution team.
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she was not disbarred
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Oct 25, 2023, 1:34 PM
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She was censured
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Re: she was not disbarred
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You are referring to a regulatory office, not a state or district bar. The state, district, or federal bar do the disbarring.
They will be hearings on disbarrment in Colorado and DC.
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Re: Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
Oct 26, 2023, 10:56 PM
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Utterly irrelevant to the Donald Trump / Russia hoax matter.
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Re: Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
Oct 28, 2023, 9:35 AM
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Don’t think you read that clearly. Ivanka was an indirect source for chris steele. They have been friends for over 20 years.
Plus much of the dossier isn’t in dispute. You call it a hoax because the pee tape hasn’t been proven to exist yet. But you know that’s certainly something Donald would have done. He was always more loyal to Putin than to the American people.
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LOL
Oct 29, 2023, 1:36 PM
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LO effing L
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Re: Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
Oct 28, 2023, 3:15 PM
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He's not smart enough to be a Russian spy. But he is a Russian tool.
He declassified enough of the Steele dossier to expose confidential sources that both Steele and the CIA had used. They have since disappeared, much like the source in Syria he exposed by blabbing Israeli intelligence to Russians in the oval office.
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Mao would be proud.***
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BS***
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It's a struggle session. Poor lady.***
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Poor poor guilty as heck lady***
Oct 26, 2023, 8:31 AM
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Wonder what Rudy is thinking?***
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Re: Wonder what Rudy is thinking?***
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The hair dye is a-drippin'
Quick, someone book Four Seasons Total Manscaping!
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Hair drippin.
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Oct 24, 2023, 12:44 PM
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Farts slippin.
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Nice plea deal ... probation, $5000 fine, and community service
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Oct 24, 2023, 11:36 AM
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for attempting to undermine democracy.
Thought the Atlanta DA was a pit bull ?
Seems like a waste of taxpayer dollars for this pitiful result.
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She (and the public) dont care about any of these people
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Oct 24, 2023, 11:51 AM
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that have plead guilty so far. They are merely pawns for her to use their testimony against the bigger fish (Trump, Giuliani, etc) to win guilty verdicts against them.
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Re: She (and the public) dont care about any of these people
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Oct 24, 2023, 12:10 PM
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Exactly how RICO trials operate. You cast the net, the little fish flip and provide evidence against the big fish. This criminal organization will go down the same way as mobsters in NYC. Ironic, with Rudy being one of the criminals. Guess who the mob boss is?
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Re: She (and the public) dont care about any of these people
Oct 25, 2023, 10:04 PM
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There is nothing that requires any of the four who have pleaded out this far to provide untruthful testimony as a witness if called to testify against Trump, Giuliani, etc.
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What nutjob world are you living in? Who said anything
Oct 25, 2023, 10:47 PM
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about providing untruthful testimony?
Go home, you’re drunk.
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Re: What nutjob world are you living in? Who said anything
Oct 26, 2023, 11:07 PM
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Untruthful testimony could be either favorable or unfavorable for Trump’s cause in the case.
Part of the plea deal / final judgement was to not provide false testimony.
Had the prosecution held the specter of jail time or other harsh punishments over the potential witnesses, then the witnesses might have decided to risk providing unfavorable testimony against Trump because they knew that this is what the prosecution wants.
Now, if the witnesses provide honest testimony that doesn’t end up creating the conditions to convict Trump, it will be up to the prosecution to PROVE that the witnesses were untruthful in their testimony. That is a far higher hurdle, since the easily invoked coercion variable has been removed from the prosecution’s order of battle.
In other words, had the prosecution been able to win a plea deal that involved jail time, then the prosecution could easily assert that the witness did not testify according to expectations, and so off to jail they’d go.
(*). The State of GA prosecution lost big time with their weak plea deals to Trump’s aides.
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Re: What nutjob world are you living in? Who said anything
Oct 28, 2023, 9:41 AM
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Each one of them has provided video statements of what they are willing to testify to, and then been interviewed by the prosecution. The full truth is out there, they just need witnesses to help prove it.
Trump’s only defense is that he’s a moron who thought he really won the election. And even that’s not enough to clear him. Easy felony conviction for even the worst prosecutor. Let his cult go on another rampage, police are ready this time.
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Re: So it was just grandstanding and a rouse to get Trump ?
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Correct. RICO laws were written long after the founding of this country. But they are constitutional.
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Not going to speak for the prosecution, but Id imagine
Oct 24, 2023, 5:11 PM
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that if every other person’s charges ended up like this, and their testimony was successful in convicting Trump, they would call it a success. At the end of the day, he was the person behind all of these (alleged) crimes.
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I've never understood plea deals. Would you rather go to trial and face
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jail time? Or would you rather pay $5000? Uhhhh, I guess I'll pay $5000...
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Sounds like you understand them.***
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Re: Sounds like you understand them.***
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Legal bribery
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Re: Sounds like you understand them.***
Oct 25, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Sounds like you want to outlaw plea deals. Do you want to outlaw them?
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Re: Sounds like you understand them.***
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Probably, in cases they are used to obtain testimony.
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If you do that...
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You'll have a fine time catching the little pawn drug dealers but not the actual drug lord to shut down the operation. Plea deals are a good thing.
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Re: I've never understood plea deals. Would you rather go to trial and face
Oct 24, 2023, 3:20 PM
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5K is lightyears cheaper.
What?! You haven't heard about the political tactic of ENDLESS LITIGATION???
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Re: I've never understood plea deals. Would you rather go to trial and face
Oct 24, 2023, 4:28 PM
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She's a lawyer, so she could represent herself.
Explain this endless litigation.
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Re: I've never understood plea deals. Would you rather go to trial and face
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Don't be facetious...you know I didn't literally mean ENDLESS, just til they go broke.
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Re: I've never understood plea deals. Would you rather go to trial and face
Oct 24, 2023, 4:35 PM
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Why was Chesebro and Powell granted a speedy trial? Oooops. 😆
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Re: I've never understood plea deals. Would you rather go to trial and face
Oct 26, 2023, 11:12 PM
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You are a Clemson grad but never heard of ‘innocent until proven guilty’?
It’s OK if you are just a fan of Clemson sports and either never got admitted to Clemson or got admitted but then decided that a career in the town sanitation department would suit you better.
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Reminded me of ISIS hostages
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Oct 25, 2023, 7:55 AM
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Watching her read, word for word, off that paper in front of the camera shaking and near tears...
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Re: Reminded me of ISIS hostages
Oct 26, 2023, 11:21 PM
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Jenna Ellis embarrassed thoroughly embarrassed herself.
She still got the win, though, via the tremendous last minute sweetheart deal. I don’t blame her, as a young and inexperienced lawyer, being badly scared about being sent to a women’s prison with gang bangers wearing women’s’ garb as her neighbors on cell block C.
The State of GA prosecution team was obviously not ready for trial with these ‘fast and speedy trial’ requests from each of Powell, Chesborough, and Ellis. State of GA gave away too much, even though State of GA is wrong with their indictments. Had State of GA been prepared, then they could have wielded the Lawfare hammer to wrongly convict these people. State of GA got thoroughly out-lawyered here.
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All-In [34126]
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Re: Reminded me of ISIS hostages
Oct 27, 2023, 10:44 AM
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a young and inexperienced lawyer
Hang on now. She's 38 and has been a lawyer for 12 years.
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Don't forget she's been the attorney for a president.
Oct 28, 2023, 3:31 PM
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Mon dieu!
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Orange Blooded [4024]
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Re: Reminded me of ISIS hostages
Oct 28, 2023, 9:47 AM
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Are you aware she pleaded to a felony? Goodbye legal career. Goodbye gun rights. And she has to testify in any venue.
Goodbye paid appearances on moron media (fox, oan, breitbart).
The only sweetheart deal is sydney powell, but now she’s ostracized from the moron brigade.
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Oculus Spirit [81315]
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Sydney is still parading around telling the world the election was rigged.
Oct 30, 2023, 9:35 AM
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I don't see how that will work out with her impending defamation case with Dominion.
Maybe her headless time traveling spirit friend can help her out with some legal info.
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Re: Sydney is still parading around telling the world the election was rigged.
Oct 31, 2023, 12:42 AM
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Check the dates on whatever you been reading. She’s been very quiet.
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Re: Jenna Ellis Pleads guilty in Georgia Election Case
Oct 31, 2023, 12:52 PM
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We are definitely a better country with Obama and biden. Nah!!
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