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Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?
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Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?

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Jul 19, 2024, 10:30 AM
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Just asking. He has been here a long time.

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He's our all-time leader in wins, NCAA Tournament wins, ACC winning percentage

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Jul 19, 2024, 10:39 AM
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and is unparalleled in terms of our players' academic accomplishments.

I'd say he deserves it.

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Of course you do.***

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Jul 19, 2024, 10:47 AM
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Of course you don't.***

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Jul 19, 2024, 10:48 AM
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Did I say that? No, I didn't.

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Jul 19, 2024, 10:50 AM
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While I support Clemson and the basketball team, I am not a sycophant.

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Re: Did I say that? No, I didn't.

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Jul 19, 2024, 6:17 PM
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It forgot to state also the leader in losses in Clemson history.

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Those statistics are certainly diluted by...

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Jul 19, 2024, 10:55 AM [ in reply to He's our all-time leader in wins, NCAA Tournament wins, ACC winning percentage ]
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the number of years he's been here. You would expect the "forever" coach to have more of everything. The thing he doesn't have a lot of is notable postseason success. Instances of notable postseason success are statistical outliers, especially considering how long he's been here. His most notable accomplishment is finally ending the drought in Chapel Hill.

If you disagree with that, then answer this question your honor: Will Brownell be able to build on last year's success? Will we be competitive in the ACC this year? Any chance for a deep ACC tournament run? You probably follow our basketball program as closely as anyone here... what are your predictions for the '24-'25 Tiger Hoopsters?

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Facts will only confuse him...

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:08 PM
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or be summarily ignored or dismissed as anti-CBB rhetoric.




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Well, I did post facts.

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:44 PM
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Unfortunately, those who have a problem with Brownell - and who oddly enough still criticize him despite having what is arguably our best season in program history last year - don't seem to care.

They always try to explain it away by using his longevity at Clemson against him. I find that really weird, since he has obviously done something right to keep his job and continue getting raises and extensions. He's also very devoted to Clemson, something some of our previous coaches cannot say.

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The goalposts move the second we advance...We could have won it all and there

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Jul 19, 2024, 3:34 PM
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would still be people whining "but but but 14 years"

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You didnt answer my question


Jul 20, 2024, 1:47 PM [ in reply to Well, I did post facts. ]
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Will Brownell be able to build on the Elite 8 appearance? Is last year’s amazing NCAA tournament performance indicative of the ascendancy of the basketball program? If not, why not? If it was merely a fluke why does Brownell deserve a lot of credit for it?

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Re: Well, I did post facts.


Jul 20, 2024, 7:34 PM [ in reply to Well, I did post facts. ]
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1980 was better, by far.

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He has had more postseason success than anyone else

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:42 PM [ in reply to Those statistics are certainly diluted by... ]
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who has coached our men's basketball program.

His NCAA Tournament winning percentage is better than everyone besides Bill Foster, who benefits from only making it once but doing really well when he got there (3-1).

Brad's NCAA Tournament winning percentage is better than Cliff Ellis, Rick Barnes, and Oliver Purnell's Clemson tenures.

Regarding next year, losing PJ Hall is a big loss for sure. However, I really like who we have coming back as well as our additions through high school recruiting and the transfer portal. I expect us to once again be very competitive in the ACC and put ourselves in a great position for another NCAA Tournament.

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I apologize

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Jul 20, 2024, 1:53 PM
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You did answer my question. The overwhelming number of ads and pop-ups on the mobile app made obscured your response on my initial reading.

So, you are definitely bullish on the ‘24-‘25 basketball team, and we should expect to be competitive in the ACC and back in the NCAA tournament. Got it.

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Bad news for you

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Jul 19, 2024, 6:19 PM [ in reply to Those statistics are certainly diluted by... ]
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This year's basketball team is going to be better than last year's basketball team. Let the Lunatic Fringe tears flow.

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Re: Bad news for you


Jul 20, 2024, 9:25 AM
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Let’s hope as it will be nice to have consecutive productive seasons which CBB has struggled to do. I do think he’s recruiting better now so maybe we are ready to move up a tier in the league and be a steady presence in NCAAs. Time will tell.

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If were going to be better this season


Jul 20, 2024, 6:46 PM [ in reply to Bad news for you ]
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then we could expect to go farther in the ACC tournament than getting shellacked by a terrible BC team in our first tournament game; in fact we should win a couple of ACCT games. We should also expect to at least make it to the Sweet 16. Sound reasonable? Would you bet a $1,000 on those things happening as proof that we’re gonna be even better than the ‘23-‘24 team?

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I think we should give another coach the

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Jul 19, 2024, 11:51 AM [ in reply to He's our all-time leader in wins, NCAA Tournament wins, ACC winning percentage ]
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same time as head BBall coach... so we can measure apples to apples.

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We would've, except they either weren't good enough or bailed on Clemson.

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:46 PM
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Brownell's longevity here should be celebrated and appreciated, not used as some sort of criticism of him and his success.

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Re: We would've, except they either weren't good enough or bailed on Clemson.


Jul 20, 2024, 7:49 PM
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What great success are you referring to? ACC tournament wins? ACC championships? Regular season championships? Final 4s? Going to tournament 75% of time?

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Re: I think we should give another coach the

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:39 PM [ in reply to I think we should give another coach the ]
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HuntClub® said:

same time as head BBall coach... so we can measure apples to apples.




Unfortunately, coaches like Barnes and OP got out as quickly as possible which was not our choice.

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Re: He's our all-time leader in wins, NCAA Tournament wins, ACC winning percentage

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:21 PM [ in reply to He's our all-time leader in wins, NCAA Tournament wins, ACC winning percentage ]
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Did I miss the post of you calling for the football stadium to be named after Dabo? He is Clemson’s winningest football coach without being the longest tenured.

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You missed me saying that Tiger Walk should be named after Dabo.

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:46 PM
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It's going to be tough to rename our stadium or field, since those are already accounted for.

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Re: You missed me saying that Tiger Walk should be named after Dabo.

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:36 PM
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The whole Tiger Walk? How thoughtful.

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Why would we rename Memorial Stadium?***

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How do you propose we honor Dabo?

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Jul 19, 2024, 3:41 PM [ in reply to Re: You missed me saying that Tiger Walk should be named after Dabo. ]
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Stop honoring Frank Howard or the men and women who died for our country?

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Jul 20, 2024, 1:12 PM
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Shaming people into silence? Very cowardly of you.

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Doesn't the Stadium already have a name?***

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Jul 19, 2024, 3:37 PM [ in reply to Re: He's our all-time leader in wins, NCAA Tournament wins, ACC winning percentage ]
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I would think he would need to hang an actual championship banner of

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Jul 19, 2024, 10:57 AM
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some sort to earn that distinction, and not just have been here the longest. Perhaps he can accomplish something monumental in these next few years to help build that case.

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Re: I would think he would need to hang an actual championship banner of

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Jul 19, 2024, 11:37 AM
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https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-07-11/clemson-basketball-takes-home-gold-united-states-world#:~:text=The%20United%20States%2C%20comprised%20of%202019-20%20Clemson%20players%2C,the%20World%20University%20Games%20at%20Palasport%20Del%20Mauro.

Here you go...

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Shirley he would have to win at least one conference championship to

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Jul 19, 2024, 11:00 AM
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even have it mentioned at a meeting. Or a NatChamp of course...

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I say let's get Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos to adopt our school, and name the court

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Jul 19, 2024, 11:25 AM
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after THEM! NIL problems would be a thing of the past.

"Jeff Bezos Falcon Super Heavy Court and Rocket Emporium"

Kind of has a ring to it, aye?

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BEAUTIFUL TOM WINKOPP COURT***

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Re: BEAUTIFUL TOM WINKOPP COURT***


Jul 19, 2024, 6:22 PM
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I like the name Tesla Arena.

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?

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Jul 19, 2024, 11:31 AM
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Why would it? Brownell has a 58% win percentage at Clemson with zero championships.

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Brownell has a world championship.

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:47 PM
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HTH.

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Re: Brownell has a world championship.


Jul 19, 2024, 6:23 PM
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LOL, but not acc title.... need something meaningful.

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Teams dont typically name their courts after

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Jul 19, 2024, 11:39 AM
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the losingest coach in their program’s history.

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Nor after coaches that have never won their conference***

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To my knowledge ole Rube Fike never won the intramural basketball championship

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:03 PM
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yet he’s got an entire field house named in his honor

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Here's the difference. Fike founded IPTAY.

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:16 PM
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Brownell can't founded the ACC championship game.

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He renamed midnight madness rock the john

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:01 PM
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that deserves to be recognized

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Re: Teams dont typically name their courts after

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:43 PM [ in reply to Teams dont typically name their courts after ]
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the losingest coach in their program’s history.




Coach K has the most losses of any Duke coach. I believe Dean Smith has the same honor at UNC.

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Not being mean, but not a good comparison. Their resume' says enough.

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:51 PM
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Coack K is one of the greatest basketball coaches and Dean Smith won ACC, ACCT and National championships.

If Brownell gets there, I will not have any problem with it.

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Re: Not being mean, but not a good comparison. Their resume' says enough.

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Jul 19, 2024, 2:39 PM
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Coack K is one of the greatest basketball coaches and Dean Smith won ACC, ACCT and National championships.

If Brownell gets there, I will not have any problem with it.




In a 100+ years, how many of our coaches have won a championship in Basketball?

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Jul 19, 2024, 2:47 PM
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However, Brownell's resume' doesn't even compare to Smith's or Coach K's.

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Re: Not being mean, but not a good comparison. Their resume' says enough.

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Jul 19, 2024, 3:20 PM [ in reply to Re: Not being mean, but not a good comparison. Their resume' says enough. ]
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In 1939 we were Southern Conference basketball champs. We passed on attending the inaugural NCAA championship that year.

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The problem is you won't get off his back

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Jul 19, 2024, 6:21 PM [ in reply to Not being mean, but not a good comparison. Their resume' says enough. ]
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Fourteen seasons at Clemson. Just one losing season. Build a statue. Put it right next to the Tiger.

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Please tell me you're not trying to put CBB in the same class with

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:53 PM [ in reply to Re: Teams dont typically name their courts after ]
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Coach K and Dean Smith?

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Maybe that poster is atypical.***

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:56 PM
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Re: Please tell me you're not trying to put CBB in the same class with

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Jul 19, 2024, 2:40 PM [ in reply to Please tell me you're not trying to put CBB in the same class with ]
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Coach K and Dean Smith?




I was providing a list of coaches who had the most losses at their schools but were still great coaches as the LF and the weird cant seem to grasp that distinction.

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:59 PM [ in reply to Teams dont typically name their courts after ]
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Funny he failed to mention that!!!!

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Someone remind me

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:07 PM
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Who was Littlejohn? No disrespect intended I just don’t know. I agree Brownell would need some championships.

Go Tigers

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Re: Someone remind me

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:40 PM
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We've given him everything else to b a mediocre coach. Why not.

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:42 PM
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I highly doubt it unless we get consistently MUCH better.

Naming anything after him would be like naming something after Tommy Bowden. An average coach who pulls out a strong finish in the year he is on the hot seat and gets a new contract.

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:49 PM
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For some reason I think Judge is a firm believer in 5th place rings.

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Is that like many of you believing in celebrating 9-4 football seasons

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Jul 20, 2024, 10:08 PM
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because we “do things the right way” and don’t use the transfer portal or lead with NIL?

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?

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Jul 19, 2024, 12:56 PM
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He's about the same as Frank Howard in on the field success, so there is that.

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Jul 19, 2024, 3:12 PM
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Actually a fair comparison.

and he did win in Chapel Hill...

If he stays another 20 years and retires I'd say we can name something after him.

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?

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Jul 19, 2024, 1:09 PM
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If he wins the conf a few times and makes it to the Final Four a few times.

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?

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Jul 19, 2024, 5:02 PM
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If he wins the conf a few times and makes it to the Final Four a few times.




That would be things which have never been done at Clemson but possible as he has already opened the gates on distinction with his wins at UNC plus two elite eight appearances

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Jul 19, 2024, 4:30 PM
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and middling performers.

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Maybe a concession stand apparatus?


Jul 19, 2024, 5:00 PM
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Brad Brownell Nozzle has a certain ring of Authenticity.

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Soon

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Jul 19, 2024, 6:17 PM
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Very soon. BroWnell Court will look really good above the Tiger Paw.

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?

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Jul 20, 2024, 9:59 AM
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If he wins a natty, yes.

How many fields/courts at Clemson are named for excoaches? Can think of only one.

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?


Jul 20, 2024, 3:03 PM
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After he beats Kansas in Lawrence and wins the Big XII Championship!!

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Simple question. If we gave other coaches 14 years, how many more wins?

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Jul 20, 2024, 7:47 PM
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Why would we name a court to a guy who simply was not fired ?
How many wins would we expect from a good coach? ACC tournament wins? ACC championships? Tournament invites in 14 years? Tournament wins (throwing out play in games)?
I think the obvious answer, is more than Brownell has.

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?


Jul 20, 2024, 8:50 PM
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grrowl said:

Just asking. He has been here a long time.


Should be...he's been the greatest basketball
We've had....dude has put up with so much sh*t

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Re: Will the Court at LittleJohn ever be named after Brownell?


Jul 21, 2024, 6:31 AM
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The only reason could possibly be longevity... He has still done nothing of consequence to earn that honor. Hopefully that changes over his coaching stint at Clemson.
Go Tigers!!!

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