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Valley Legend [12799]
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Per Ross Dellenger article, colleges have started to eliminate
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Oct 25, 2024, 1:13 PM
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hundreds of Olympic spots and some athletes who have had offers rescinded and/or were cut are mobilizing to file some course of action. It's a Yahoo Sports article.
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Rival Killer [2987]
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Scholarships???
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Oct 25, 2024, 1:38 PM
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The article specifically says that this affects mostly walk ons.
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Clemson Icon [27268]
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or athletes not on full scholarships
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Oct 25, 2024, 1:40 PM
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which is a lot of athletes in some sports like men's soccer, baseball, tennis, golf etc.
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Dynasty Maker [3498]
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Re: Scholarships???
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Oct 25, 2024, 1:55 PM
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The article says about 3000 spots, I will call them kids or young adults with dreams they have been working hard for.
The article says an estimated 3000 and then goes on to estimate 1500 walk-ons (almost all football). That leaves 1500 non walk-ons. Thats just this year, and until things change its another up to 1500 every year after that which will not be afforded the opportunity that existed last year.
Even if "mostly" means 1501 non scholarship kids and 1499 scholarship kids, I don't think thats a good thing. There are undoubtly kids in that group where it was the only way they could go to college or will have to attend a lower tier school because of it. For them I feel bad
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Rival Killer [2987]
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Which is it?
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:22 PM
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A lower tier school is still going to college.
That's very different than not being able to attend.
It's also a life lesson in choices. If you want to be successful, choose something that gives you the best chance of being successful, regardless of where you go to get it, or how you accomplish it.
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Dynasty Maker [3498]
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Re: Which is it?
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Oct 25, 2024, 3:14 PM
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If you read what I wrote, I clearly used the word OR. So there will be both kids who dreams are dashed at the last second and need to find another school, kids who wont be able to attend at all and kids whose athletic career is over.
All of those things are very unfortunate and certainly not an intended consequence when this ball got rolling years ago. Lets note none of this is of their choosing.
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Athletic Dir [1197]
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Rest easy, fear not; we all know who..
Oct 26, 2024, 12:10 AM
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will get left with tab in the end: the American taxpayer which 99/100 is a U.S. citizen
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Rival Killer [2987]
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How so?
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Oct 26, 2024, 9:49 AM
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I'm interested in hearing your reasoning.
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Re: Scholarships???
Oct 26, 2024, 10:31 AM
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The article says about 3000 spots, I will call them kids or young adults with dreams they have been working hard for.
The article says an estimated 3000 and then goes on to estimate 1500 walk-ons (almost all football). That leaves 1500 non walk-ons. Thats just this year, and until things change its another up to 1500 every year after that which will not be afforded the opportunity that existed last year.
Even if "mostly" means 1501 non scholarship kids and 1499 scholarship kids, I don't think thats a good thing. There are undoubtly kids in that group where it was the only way they could go to college or will have to attend a lower tier school because of it. For them I feel bad
There are hundred of thousands of kids in this same situation every year who don’t play sports. The answer is a two year degree at a local community school while working part time and living at home. Then find a job at a company who offers educational benefits and finish the BS at night with zero debt. This is especially true for kids who accumulate a mountain of debt for a degree which leads to a low paying job.
Most kids who play Olympic sports come from middle class and above backgrounds. Low income kids can’t afford trainers and travel ball.
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All-Pro [710]
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There will always be the haves and the have nots. That is the reality of life. Some things just are not in your cards. A college degree is not required to be successful in life in whatever definition that means to you. It can be accomplished without a degree.
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Game Day Hero [4159]
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To be fair, there were quite a few of us who saw this coming
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:10 PM
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Everyone was so focused on football & basketball, that they forgot about the Olympic/non-revenue sports & the downstream effects on them.
I posted in the Amphitheater board a couple weeks ago about Campbell wrestling's plight where their most successful program is getting gutted as result of the House settlement & conference realignment. Honestly, that's about to start happening at alot of schools, big & small.
Don't be surprised if you start seeing a downturn for America in Olympic sports (since college athletics have been a huge part of developing athletes who go on to compete at the international level for USA)
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Rival Killer [2987]
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I don't think anyone forgot. I didn't.
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:25 PM
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I think it's more a case of not caring.
I like to see Clemson be successful in whatever sports happens to be going on, but I really don't care much about any sport but football.
With few exceptions, I don't care much about Olympic sports even during the Olympic games. I suspect that I'm not the only one.
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Clemson Icon [27268]
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Ever think its not about you?
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:30 PM
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There are many thousands of student athletes who compete around the country in many sports. Also it's good for youth sports around the country as they strive for college scholarships for their efforts.
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Rival Killer [2987]
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Nothing about sports is about me other than entertainment
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Oct 26, 2024, 6:23 AM
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Never has been, never will be.
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Re: Nothing about sports is about me other than entertainment***
Oct 26, 2024, 1:37 PM
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All-In [10293]
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Rival Killer [2987]
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How did you get to that mental gymnastic?
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Oct 26, 2024, 9:57 AM
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I didn't say it's about me. I said that I don't care about non revenue sports. That still makes it about the non revenue sports participants, but there's no obligation for anyone else to have an emotional stake in it.
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Game Day Hero [4451]
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Re: To be fair, there were quite a few of us who saw this coming
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Oct 26, 2024, 9:17 AM
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Same thing happened in the 90's when Title IX was passed. Entire scholarship sports programs were scrapped so the schools could add scholarship women's competitive twerking etc. I knew some wrestlers at Clemson who got royally buggered by that and lost their scholarships.
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All-In [10293]
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Re: Per Ross Dellenger article, colleges have started to eliminate
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Oct 25, 2024, 1:42 PM
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Knew this was coming. Schools can't fund these non-revenue sports and pay the athletes. Schools will be dropping non-revenue sports first, then likely limit the number of players to lower than NCAA limits allow just to manage their funding. In these cases, teams wont be development schools and let players ride the bench 2-3yrs before they play. Schools will be chasing portal players to rent for a year.
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Valley Legend [12799]
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Not to mention the non-power 4 are just going to get eviscerated
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:16 PM
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by this new professional sports model.
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Rival Killer [2987]
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So what?
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:27 PM
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It's a competitive world. Adapt or perish.
Just like the rest of the world works.
Business.
Politics.
Transportation.
War.
Communications.
Etc.
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Valley Legend [12799]
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I don't see the parallel between Collegiate Athletics and War.***
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Oct 25, 2024, 5:02 PM
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Rival Killer [2987]
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Really?
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Oct 26, 2024, 6:29 AM
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Use strategy and tactics to win.
Prepare for the competition physically and mentally.
Try to take territory from the other side.
Attack on the ground and in the air.
Wear body armor and helmets for protection.
Have a secret code method to give instructions to your team while concealing the content from the enemy.
...for starters.
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Athletic Dir [1103]
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Re: Per Ross Dellenger article, colleges have started to eliminate
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Oct 25, 2024, 2:36 PM
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Wonder if the schools break dancing programs will be gutted?
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All-Pro [733]
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Re: Per Ross Dellenger article, colleges have started to eliminate
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Oct 25, 2024, 3:03 PM
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There is nothing at all college about college sports any longer.
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Rival Killer [2987]
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Well, except that college sports are run by...
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Oct 26, 2024, 6:32 AM
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...wait for it...colleges.
The colleges make the money, field the teams, own the trademarks, and force the athletes to be students...right?
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Athletic Dir [1142]
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Clemson Icon [26830]
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Why should a minor league team for the NFL...
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Oct 25, 2024, 3:38 PM
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.... have to support a college swimming team?
When you enthusiastically embrace your role as AAA for NFL, then this is one of the inevitable consequences.
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Still dont get the move to 105 football scholly. Made the
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Oct 25, 2024, 5:50 PM
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problem even worse.
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All-In [10293]
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Re: Still dont get the move to 105 football scholly. Made the
Oct 25, 2024, 6:12 PM
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I think the thought was that the additional players would help the coaches manage their roster since so many kids are transferring therefore having more on roster to play. Plus they wanted to stop walk-ons that could be funded by NIL and not crunch the roster numbers. So I think it was a decent move but I hope Dabo actually fills roster with star-rated kids and not a bunch of local boys who wouldn't make it as a Walk-on at Furman.
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Hall of Famer [8529]
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Will result in a lot of scholly going to kids who cant play at this level
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Oct 26, 2024, 6:10 AM
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and get tired of riding the pine. Thus, even more transfers with nowhere to go but down, where they should have started anyway.
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All-In [10293]
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Re: Will result in a lot of scholly going to kids who cant play at this level
Oct 26, 2024, 3:01 PM
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You still have to have those players to create scout teams and good practice teams.
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Paw Warrior [4706]
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Re: Per Ross Dellenger article, colleges have started to eliminate
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Oct 25, 2024, 7:12 PM
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Jesus, just when I thought all of these changes were going to decimate college football - it turns out that is going to decimate all of college sports.
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Game Changer [1676]
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Why should non-rev generating athletes get ANY scholarship at all?
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Oct 25, 2024, 10:15 PM
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They are leeches.. let them pay to play. All female athletes and most male athletes are leeches. If their sport went away nobody would know nor care.
For example, who notices or cares that CU doesn't have a wrestling team? Exactly nobody.
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Re: Why should non-rev generating athletes get ANY scholarship at all?
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Oct 25, 2024, 10:42 PM
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That’s one of the crappiest things I’ve seen anyone say on here. Maybe you’d care if it was your kid’s sport being cut and you had to pick up that tuition bill
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Game Changer [1676]
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Cry me a river... what do you think most students and parents do?***
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Rival Killer [2987]
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Team Captain [468]
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Re: So a good business model is now magically "crappy'.
Oct 26, 2024, 7:01 AM
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So shall we cancel all high school sports as well then?
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Rival Killer [2987]
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That's ridiculous.
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Oct 26, 2024, 7:54 AM
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You're confusing your Strawman fallacies with your Non Sequiturs.
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Game Changer [1676]
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Team Captain [468]
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Re: Ever heard of booster clubs - parents pay a lot of the expenses
Oct 26, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Just like a lot of iptay donations are supposed to go to all of the sports, not just football. To act like college athletics departments should be treated as a 100% for profit business misses the point they were created for entirely.
There's still the community benefit to having sports at the high school and college level that merit the tax money they receive. I'd argue it's one of the many things that makes America a great country to raise a child in. This used to be universally accepted until this ultra-individualistic mindset started squeezing it's grip about 10 years ago.
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Rival Killer [2987]
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No one is acting like that.
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Oct 26, 2024, 1:45 PM
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But denial that college FB isn't a big business to go with the other facets isn't factual.
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Team Captain [468]
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Re: No one is acting like that.
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Oct 26, 2024, 2:49 PM
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That's like exactly how you're acting though.
Your opinion seemingly boils down to is the sport isn't generating revenue for the athletic department then good riddance which imo is a pretty shortsighted, individualistic, unemphatic view.
That has nothing to do with football becoming bigger business than ever.
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Clemson Sports Icon [57586]
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Re: Per Ross Dellenger article, colleges have started to eliminate
Oct 26, 2024, 9:39 AM
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Sad.
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Dynasty Maker [3519]
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Re: Per Ross Dellenger article, colleges have started to eliminate
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Oct 26, 2024, 1:02 PM
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Yep. Know a kid who had a scholarship at one of the best swimming schools in the US get told recently that they don’t have a scholarship for him anymore. They’re also cutting the number of scholarships they currently rely have.
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Re: Per Ross Dellenger article, colleges have started to eliminate
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Oct 26, 2024, 1:14 PM
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It’s just starting. I have been saying for weeks changes are coming just wait on it.
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