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Letterman [178]
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Randal at RB
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The whole “let’s move Adam Randal to RB” idea makes zero sense to me. We literally have players that we’ve recruited out of high school and practice as rbs on our team. Why would we move a slow wr to play rb. Doesn’t make sense. Just play EZ and Kieth Adams more
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 4:51 PM
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Who is seriously saying this? Must be coots…
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 7:52 PM
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Who is seriously saying this? Must be coots…
If you scroll the bored, you will see it mentioned. I don’t think they are coots, but not in contention for valedictorian .
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Solid Orange [1323]
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Re: Randal at RB
Dec 14, 2024, 8:16 AM
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Randall ran that kickoff like the coot QB...if you'd ever been a RB you know how simple it can be...and blocking is about planting the first guy through! Randall showed real running talent on that return, and he is a large dude..remember USC natties, student body left, student body right actually that simple Archie Griffen, Hershey, Bo...that return got us in the dance!
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 4:55 PM
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No different than the let's try Sammy Brown at RB crowd. Bunch of armchair coaches with zero concept or perspective of how to manage a football team.
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Letterman [178]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 6:58 PM
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Agreed. Maybe a gadget play here or there would be fine but using those guys for actual snaps at rb would be dumb
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Re: Randal at RB
Dec 13, 2024, 9:33 PM
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Sammy Brown is an athlete not just a LB he plays where you need him that’s why you bring him in. Who knows maybe next year this time he will be where Travis hunter is now. Except ideally in the playoffs again.
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:25 PM
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Except this time last year Sammy Brown had just wrapped a 4-year High School career at RB and LB, and we clearly employ a Jumbo package with D players running play on O. Sammy Brown with some RB totes here in the stretch run just isn't as ludicrous as you're making it out to be.
As far as Randall goes - keep that mother in place on KO returns from here on out. Maybe last week's exploit will inspire him to gig it up a notch on his WR snaps.
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Letterman [178]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:31 PM
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I don’t think Sammy needs any more on his plate. Let the true freshman focus on defense for the biggest arm of his life
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CU Medallion [19824]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 6:37 PM
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Kid is a baller who lives breathes and loves football and has been playing both sides forever. It kinda fits our schtick in a way also. Love of the game.
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All-In [10876]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 7:55 PM
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Except this time last year Sammy Brown had just wrapped a 4-year High School career at RB and LB, and we clearly employ a Jumbo package with D players running play on O. Sammy Brown with some RB totes here in the stretch run just isn't as ludicrous as you're making it out to be.
As far as Randall goes - keep that mother in place on KO returns from here on out. Maybe last week's exploit will inspire him to gig it up a notch on his WR snaps.
Knowing our plays and blocking assignments are night and day from his HS offense. Some folks must believe a RB only needs to know how to grab the ball and run somewhere with it
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Valley Legend [12827]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 6:24 PM
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Could use the same argument against you that Brown isn’t good enough. I actually have some coaching experience and played beyond HS. Brown had well over 2k yards last season and 30+ touchdowns. More than any RB on staff even. If Travis Hunter can play both ways why can’t Brown. It’s a lot myopic to say he couldn’t. He did it his entire football career until this year.
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Legend [6938]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 6:51 PM
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I still remember the good ole days when Coach Howard had the Go team and the White team. That would be Harvey White and Lowndes Shingler. Two Greenwood boys who played qb on offense and db on defense.
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Ring of Honor [21680]
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Most great HS players play both ways
Dec 14, 2024, 8:43 AM
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until they get to college. There's a reason for that
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Solid Orange [1323]
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Re: Randal at RB
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You have obviously never played football...RB can be one of the easiest positions in a basic set...look at the great RBs! Randall ran in high school and Sammy was all state or Region at RB...Mafah is in sick bay, other cat injured out...Brown has great size and experience...2 or 3 plays from scrimmage like the kickoff and Randall is all ACC...he also has size and he can outrun Mafah in a 40 tomorrow...what is it you want? CADE gets knocked down by the waterboy!
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Valley Legend [12159]
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I saw Sammy at RB in person. Dude couldve gone to a college that recruited him
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Dec 13, 2024, 7:52 PM
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To play RB.
Dude can punt too.
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Solid Orange [1323]
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Re: Randal at RB
Dec 14, 2024, 8:23 AM
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We have a real RB problem...we can't beat Texas w/o a running game and unless you've been out of the country doing brain surgery you know Mafah is down, #2 is also down! We need solutions not WHT we cants! Luckily Dabo is a solutions guy...except maybe on blocked field goals?
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TigerNet Immortal [164468]
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I'm not saying to play him there or not. However, if he runs out there a few
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Dec 13, 2024, 4:56 PM
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plays, I hope he does well. You never know how these will work out,
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Letterman [178]
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Re: I'm not saying to play him there or not. However, if he runs out there a few
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Dec 13, 2024, 4:58 PM
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I mean obviously I want him to do well if they choose to do that but they won’t choose to do that cause makes no sense
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:00 PM
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1. Only people saying this are retarded fans who don’t know they’re a$$ from a hole in the ground.
2. He’s not slow. Not sure who told you that
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Letterman [178]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:23 PM
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He may not be slow on paper but he’s does not look explosive on the field
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National Champion [7386]
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Re: Why Keep Running Into A Wall?? ---
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:03 PM
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What would you rather have if Dabo wants to keep Mafah in???
You want an injured Mafah to keep playing when he can barely get 2 yards..... or ....do you want a guy that has been around this offense enough and healthy enough to know how to run the ball ...to lead EZ and Adams Jr. against a team that has us beat in size and depth.
Its the playoffs.....that we wasn't sure we was going to be a part of a couple of weeks ago. We have to explore every angle of advantage and help on this team to advance.
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Letterman [178]
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Re: Why Keep Running Into A Wall?? ---
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:25 PM
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Why are we assuming he knows how to run the ball. The backup rbs have gotten way more reps than him out of the backfield. They should be the ones getting carries
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Re: Why Keep Running Into A Wall?? ---
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:57 PM
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When EZ fumbled an easy to catch KO against SMU, it became apparent that his serves got in te way of him handling the ball.
EZ has essentially zero game experience.
Adam Randall has a lot of game experience. If he were to get a snap or three at the RB position, then the play would have to be from among an extremely limited number of RB plays that A.Randall would be able to practice extensively in the two week period before the TX game.
I believe that A.Randall could learn two or three RB plays.
The far bigger problem is that he could not be expected to know the RB pass protections (I.e., RB blocking responsibilities). That would mean that A.Randall’s only role when lined up at the RB position would be to carry the ball. After two or three times doing this against TX, their DC would know that Adam Randall would not be blocking if he lined up in the backfield.
(?). Would check down pass routes for A.Randall be feasibly practiced enough for Adam and Cade to trust each other as to how the pass would get delivered? Just because this would be a short check down pass does not mean that Cade isn’t moving around a lot; he’s would be throwing at different angles and not necessarily delivering the ball into the ideal-to-catch spot. One would assume that this would not be a problem for Adam, but that assumption may be wrong.
Anyways, we need a person other than only Mafah to take handoffs and run the ball as per the RB’s job against TX, and for that back to not be at a high risk of fumbling (due to nerves / inexperience) and to be emotionally controlled enough to maintain pre-snap discipline and thus avoid illegal procedure &/or illegal motion penalties.
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Re: Why Keep Running Into A Wall?? ---
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:37 PM
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There’s A LOT more to playing RB than just running the ball. Most WRs don’t know what the B gap is let along gap assignment on different plays. I’ll go out on a limb and say that most fans don’t know these things either. The lack of trust in our young RBs isn’t because they can’t run the ball, it’s because our coaches dont feel confident in their ability to do their job when they don’t have the ball.
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Re: Why Keep Running Into A Wall?? ---
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Dec 13, 2024, 6:02 PM
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The coaches appear to also distrust our inexperienced backs to avoid committing illegal motion or procedure penalties. Even Jay Haynes (I say “even” because he is our second most experienced RB) was prone to committing these third-down-kill8ng 5 yard penalties. One can hardly expect our less experienced RBs to hold their water and avoid committing penalties.
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Valley Legend [12827]
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Re: Why Keep Running Into A Wall?? ---
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Dec 13, 2024, 6:27 PM
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How did it work out for Smith at SMU? He didn’t know what the A gap was either. Yet he’s a unanimous all ACC running back this year. It’s impossible for a WR to learn the RB playbook and blocking assignments. 🤣
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Valley Protector [1480]
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Re: Why Keep Running Into A Wall?? ---
Dec 13, 2024, 11:06 PM
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This is my thought as well. Still, no better time than the present. They’ve been here all season, time to step up.
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Associate AD [1052]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:17 PM
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The idea is to design some packages for him to assist in the run game. Not make him RB1.
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Game Changer [1879]
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I am a guy who would love to see him try running back out
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:20 PM
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Why? Because I mean he gets no playing time at wr but has all the potential in the world with his size and athleticism. Instead is wasting his talent or giving up on the kid why not move him around to other positions to see if he’s a hidden gem anywhere else? It happens in football more than you think
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Letterman [178]
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Re: I am a guy who would love to see him try running back out
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:29 PM
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I mean I agree that players can change positions and get better I just don’t think that 1. He’s a good fit for rb 2. That transition would be wise to do in only two weeks before the biggest game of the season
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Game Changer [1879]
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Oh I agree 100% with what you said
Dec 14, 2024, 4:14 AM
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More of a project next season but for right now just keep him at returner
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:24 PM
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I don’t think you need to worry about it…
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Letterman [178]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:27 PM
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I agree. Just tired of reading that suggestion when it makes no sense
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 5:40 PM
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The coaches will gameplan as they see fit. There are questions about the RB room b/c Mafah has been ran into the ground with no relief. The run game has to be supplemented somehow. Cade will not be able to make up the difference without getting killed. Randall's issue has always been high pointing the ball. He has flashed at times carrying the ball.
We will probably see a committee of rested Mafah, Hammerhead, and EZ.
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 6:22 PM
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The dude isn’t slow. Bourbon talking? 4.55 forty is pretty decent. That’s faster than Larry Fitzgerald, Chad Ocho Cinco, Anquan Bolden, Chris Carter, Hines Ward, Dez Bryant and a few hundredths slower than Antonio Brown. SMH. I guess they slow too.
You can’t play guys that aren’t ready. There’s a reason they haven’t seen much playing time. From not blocking well to not knowing the playbook. Or, perhaps they don’t posses vision or patience to wait for blocks. I agree Randall would be further behind any RB in the room but calling him slow is a bit ridiculous. Jerry Rice wasn’t the fastest guy on the field either. Randall’s had some bad luck with injuries md better players coming in.
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Letterman [178]
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Re: Randal at RB
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Dec 13, 2024, 6:30 PM
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He may be fast on paper but seems to lack explosively to me. I could be wrong though just what I’ve seen
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Re: Randal at RB
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The combination of not having elite speed + not having elite moves / cuts is why A.Randall is nowhere near the quality of the other ‘non-blazer’ WRs that you had listed.
Adam Randall does appear to have good ball skills and he blocks well. His size and build are special attributes. The qualities listed 8n this second paragraph are why numerous TNetters would like to see A.Randall get a crack at RB.
(I don’t think anyone posting in this thread is suggesting that A.Randall should get a bunch of carried next Saturday vs TX. The idea is to design one or two plays for him at the RB position in which he actually runs the ball once or twice in the game. Other plays for him out of the RB position would be check down passes. Maybe even a wheel route, since that play would be more like one for a WR who went in motion.
Very few plays. He can’t be expected to know the RB’s pass protection blocking schemes, which makes it unreasonable for A.Randall to get more than two or three snaps at RB.
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Game Day Hero [4421]
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Think some of it has to do w/ fact that Randall is only skill player guy
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Dec 13, 2024, 6:26 PM
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That's about the same size as Mafah.
Would definitely like to see some wrinkles to throw at Texas & try to knock them off their game.
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Re: Randal at RB
Dec 13, 2024, 7:58 PM
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TE would make more sense for Adam!
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CU Guru [1531]
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Re: Randal at RB
Dec 13, 2024, 9:29 PM
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Almost as dumb as the posts suggesting Clemson take their best pure tackling defender and have him start taking reps at RB.
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Ring of Honor [22683]
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Me either. It's poor recruiting and lack of portal usage....
Dec 13, 2024, 9:31 PM
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...that created this problem. Several posters have been warning of this issue for YEARS now.
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It sounds like such an easy thing to do.
Dec 14, 2024, 5:12 AM
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It's like cutting off your big toe to replace your thumb while the folks who do transplants have perfectly good thumbs on ice in the next room.
The whole concept of 'let us,' offends me. We have absolutely no say in how our football team solves problems. Actually, the concept of Clemson being our football team is corrupted in many Clemson fans.
Our relationship with Clemson is like a godly man's relationship with God. He is my God but it's not because He belongs to me, it's because I belong to him.
I fear some think that because they have such emotional bonds with Clemson/Clemson football that they are part owners. Let me set this straight: Your emotional/financial investments in Clemson does not entitle you to micro-manage OUR team.
We all have the right to voice our opinion even if our opinion is wrong. Our right to voice our opinion doesn't obligate our very good coach to listen.
Basically, when Tyler called and sounded like a motherinlaw on the rag Dabo made a statement to the world: "I don't have to listen to your chit! No more call ins!"
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Athletic Dir [1120]
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Re: Randal at RB
Dec 14, 2024, 11:05 AM
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Maybe a few end around runs
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Athletic Dir [1120]
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Re: Randal at RB
Dec 14, 2024, 11:08 AM
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Late in the game, IF you need it to win or tie maybe give it to Sammy or Barrett in the heavy package. But you have to worry about fumbling with any of those guys not used to ball security. Can’t try it too early due to risk of injury to your 2-3 best defensive guys.
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Game Day Hero [4357]
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While on surface, it sounds far fetched. But more than 1 great RB was WR.
Dec 14, 2024, 1:59 PM
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He is bigger and would be great receiver out of backfield.
Why not at least consider it.
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Re: Randal at RB
Dec 14, 2024, 2:06 PM
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There is a recent history of success with WR transitioning to RB. I was thinking a move like that would happen next year if at all. But does seem like it would be hard to do for playoffs? Idk tho. Can Easy E surprise us?
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