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Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Tiger Titan [47438]
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Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:27 PM
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Especially when it comes to tackling, angles, etc.?
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:29 PM
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None of the assistants should be blamed. This downfall is all on Dabo.
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Legend [6910]
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pre and post Brent Venables Clemson is very very similar***
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:30 PM
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Athletic Dir [1113]
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Re: pre and post Brent Venables Clemson is very very similar***
Dec 22, 2024, 9:10 AM
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I disagree, downtown has more high rises, several new buildings on campus, half the bars have turned over. Peppinos and Knickerbocker are gone. Oh and the defense is a dumpster fire
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:29 PM
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DC responsibility. Duh
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Tiger Spirit [9563]
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:29 PM
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I actually agree with this
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:30 PM
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I believe they blame Wes the same way crappola runs downhill. Somebody has to teach players how to tackle, how to cover and where to position themselves. Wes gets the blame for all of that because he is the boss of that side of the ball.
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Tiger Titan [47438]
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Then we should also see this vitriol for Dabo right?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:36 PM
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He is the boss of the whole team, which includes the defense.
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Solid Orange [1301]
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Re: Then we should also see this vitriol for Dabo right?
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Dec 22, 2024, 7:13 AM
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Oh I’m very much in the blame Dabo crowd.
This decline has been on his watch and it’s his decisions that have led to the decline.
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Re: If you don't understand why.....
Dec 22, 2024, 9:06 AM
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It’s funny to watch him try to get people to hate Dabo.
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Game Changer [1723]
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:45 PM
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And he is the LB coach. Can’t you just see him teaching Sammy and Barrett how to wrap up when they tackle and get off blocks. I bet he just throws the other players around aggressively while teaching them hands on.
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National Champion [7101]
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Re: Coaching And Recruiting ---
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:31 PM
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Wes is in charge of the whole defense overall.
The DBs are good but young and a bit malnourished. Linebackers...young....very young with one who very hungry.
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Tiger Titan [47438]
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Okay, but he didnt get to choose his position coaches.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:35 PM
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He is stuck with who Dabo hired.
If we really want coordinators to do their thing, let them assemble their own position coaches (or at least have a meaningful say).
Currently, he doesn’t.
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Orange Blooded [2165]
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Re: Okay, but he didnt get to choose his position coaches.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:44 PM
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How do you know he didn't get input from Wes before he made those hires?
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Tiger Titan [47438]
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We havent made many hires since Wes was promoted to co-DC.***
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:45 PM
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Orange Blooded [2165]
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Re: We havent made many hires since Wes was promoted to co-DC.***
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:46 PM
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Two pretty big ones....eason and rumph.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:31 PM
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Because it's mostly due to physical ability. I'm mean, better fundamentals can solve dome things, but if you're out of position Because the opponents are faster, or stronger, there isn't much coaching csn do you change that.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:31 PM
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Because he is the leader of the defense?
I’m all for firing Wes, Conn, and Rumph. I think Reed has done more than enough over the years to warrant a mulligan. I wouldd like to think Eason has potential under a veteran DC but I’ll let him make that call
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Tiger Titan [47438]
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Then surely you are also blaming Dabo since he is the leader of the whole team.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:33 PM
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Right?
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110%er [3897]
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Re: Then surely you are also blaming Dabo since he is the leader of the whole team.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:39 PM
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Of course he has blame. He’d tell you that too
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Tiger Titan [47438]
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I must have missed those posts by you.***
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:45 PM
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Re: I must have missed those posts by you.***
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Dec 22, 2024, 8:02 AM
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The HC always has share of the blame.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 22, 2024, 10:11 AM
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I don’t get firing Rump at this point. I get that a lot of the issues have been on the edge, but he doesn’t have much to work with because of poor recruiting before he arrived (aside from TJ) and hasn’t been back long enough to recruit much help. He has a track record as a good coach.
Wes has been in place a while, LB recruiting has sucked, and he is in charge of the LBs.
I’m more inclined to wonder about Eason. He has had some talent to work with but I’m not super impressed with the results. He doesn’t have as much of a track record. I’d like him to be successful since he’s an alum but if he’s not getting it done….
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:32 PM
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I’m not defending Wes, but you are correct. Often the right scheme/play seems to have been called, only to see our player bowled over or miss the tackle.
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Game Changer [1640]
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 22, 2024, 6:16 AM
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Then we have a developmental problem more than an in-game play calling problem
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:33 PM
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Because if you bring in a new DC, he will take care of the rest…
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Solid Orange [1392]
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Isnt Wes also the LB coach?***
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:33 PM
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Game Changer [1723]
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Re: Isnt Wes also the LB coach?***
Dec 21, 2024, 9:35 PM
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Yes, pork chop is teaching our LB’s… what a joke
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:34 PM
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Agreed position coaches should face some scrutiny.
But Wes is in charge of putting together a scheme and adjusting in game to what an offense is doing.
Furthermore, some of the worst tackling on the defense comes from the LB position. Which is the position group Wes is in charge of, so that falls right back on his shoulders.
Texas consistently ran right all game and we did nothing to put guys in position to make a play majority of the time.
That’s all on scheme and playcalling. All of which falls on Goodwins shoulders.
It’s also evident the defense has been in a gradual decline since he became the man calling the shots.
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Tiger Titan [47438]
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He did make adjustments.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:37 PM
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First half: Texas 28 points
Second half: Texas 10 points
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Re: He did make adjustments.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:42 PM
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I can’t really say it was as much adjustments, as it was more so Texas taking their foot off the gas.
Whenever Texas wanted to do something in the 2nd half offensively, they had their way.
Lead down to 7? They bust a 77 yard TD. Need a game closing drive? They milk 6 minutes off the clock.
I mean they came right out of halftime and marched the ball down the field for points.
I’m sure some of it was adjustments they tried to make but personally, I attributed it more to Texas’ doing than things Clemson did.
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Re: He did make adjustments.
Dec 21, 2024, 9:48 PM
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Texas didn't take their foot off the gas. The beat us by running the football. If they continue to run the football, that's not taking their foot off the gas.
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Re: He did make adjustments.
Dec 21, 2024, 9:46 PM
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That wasn’t an adjustment by Wes, when their running back got hurt they stopped running as much. Even the commentator said they needed to get back to their running game.
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Game Changer [1723]
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:34 PM
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You do realize that Wes is also the linebacker coach, don’t you? The linebackers are always out of position and taking bad angles. That’s on Wes. And we consistently have run gap integrity issues with the defensive line, & since he’s the DC, if West does not address it then it is on him too. The fact that we can never get consistent pressure on a QB is on Wes also because he is the one scheming the blitzes and they are never disguised and easily picked up by opposing offenses. Wes is the problem. He is the elephant in the room, literally. You bring in a good defensive coordinator and tighten this defense up and Clemson football takes a huge step forward.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:39 PM
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That smarmy little c u n t realizes that he’s just trying to stir up crap per usual.
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Re: Yes I am aware that Wes coaches linebackers.
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Dec 22, 2024, 10:14 AM
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I would say that there are multiple coaches on the staff, and you have complaints with all of them, I think it's more likely that that's indicative of a talent issue rather than the coaching issue.
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National Champion [7728]
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:34 PM
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I’m okay with firing everybody except Matt Luke, including the strength and conditioning yahoos.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:34 PM
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Were we a better tackling team with the same position coaches under Venables? The tackling issues are not on the DLine.
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Game Day Hero [4592]
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:34 PM
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Mostly because they think Wes is nerdy and overweight. All the defensive coaches should be taken to the woodshed.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:43 PM
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It has nothing to do with him being nerdy and overweight. Everyone would be singing his praises if the results were there. At the end of the day, the defense sucks and that’s why everybody is hating on Wes. Stop with the victim mentality. “Nobody likes him for superficial reasons. They are fat shaming him. It has nothing to do with the results on the field. It’s because he looks like a nerd.” Please! Stay reasonable. That is stupid.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:35 PM
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Why was Venables so good….because he knew what was coming. And he relayed this to his defense (why you would see Boulesre and Skaski going crazy before the ball was snapped). Goodwin has proven he has no idea what is coming from one play to the next.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:35 PM
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Something tells me that Judge will get a few comments.
I picture this is as JK about to log in to the TNets
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Wes is the LB position coach
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:35 PM
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Add Conn to my list of people who need to go.
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Orange Blooded [2236]
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Because I'm addition to being responsible for that whole
Dec 21, 2024, 9:36 PM
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side of the ball, he's the lb coach, which is a group that is widely responsible for slot of those issues you mentioned.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:39 PM
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Actually, I’m not impressed with what Rumpf has achieved with his DE’s as a group, and recruiting has been a bust. Eason has some type of run game coordinator title. Didn’t appear he did much effective work the past two weeks helping prepare for Woods at DE. The Tigers had to stuff their run game to get them into their weakness (injured Ewers passing and no Bonds at WR). I’m sure Texas was just as surprised to see Denoff holding down left DE in the first quarter. The 1st half was carnage before Goodwin came out in the 2nd half with Woods playing DE situationally. Too little too late.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:40 PM
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Because he’s also our lb coach?? A lot of the bad angles/tackling issues come from that position
HTH
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Orange Blooded [2346]
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Re: our defensive position coaches?
Dec 21, 2024, 9:45 PM
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Rumph, Reed, Eason on defense.
Richardson, Luke on offense.
Only coaches imo getting it done.
Today notwithstanding.
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Game Changer [1896]
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:44 PM
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He's an easy target. First time DC still cutting his teeth at a program that until recently was the envy of college football.
Some believe we are deserving of top shelf coaching given our recent success.
Dabo is still perfecting his craft too.
Dabo will find our way out of this but I believe he got ahead of his skiis when he took such a strong position on the changing landscape
Acceptance and ultimately utilization of the developing changes will happen slower than most expect.
Just like everything else. We want what we want and we want it now.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:47 PM
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Rumph, Eason, Reed and Mickey all have proven track records.
Wes doesn’t.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:48 PM
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So are you seriously arguing to keep Goodwin? That's all I want to know.
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No but I am prepared that Dabo will keep him at DC.
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Dec 22, 2024, 12:04 AM
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Dabo went out on a limb to hire him and assured us he was ready to be DC and would do a great job.
I don’t think Dabo will want to fire him now and thus admit he made a mistake.
I realize he fired Streeter but I believe there was more there than just offensive performance. Our offense was actually better in many regards under Streeter than it was during Elliott’s last year, so I think it was some sort of conflict or philosophical difference.
Back to Goodwin, I thought he was a bad hire. He was nowhere close to being qualified.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:48 PM
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Jesus, y'all. Texas has an offensive line as good as any line ever. They spent millions on that OL. They were incredible tonight. Give the opponent some credit.
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Dec 22, 2024, 12:08 AM
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How much did the Citadel spend on there’s? Because they ran all over the defense too.
Your argument would only hold merit if this was an anomaly for this game but it was a constant all year.
Yes Texas OL is talented but we didn’t make it very difficult either.
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Dec 22, 2024, 9:08 AM
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:54 PM
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That’s actually quite easy. The LB’s are the worst group on the field. They can’t shed blocks. They’re not gal sound. They don’t make tackles. How many runs were there where a LB should’ve had a tackle at 2-3 yards, misses it, and it’s up to a safety to make the play? Now, ask yourself who the LB coach is? That is the reason all the blame is placed on Goodwin, because he’s in over his head and we all see it.
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Orange Blooded [2103]
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The top 3 tacklers were LBs. I think we lack defensive intensity, but you
Dec 22, 2024, 12:10 AM
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can’t say the LBs didn’t make tackles.
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Re: Why is everyone blaming Wes but not any of our defensive position coaches?
Dec 22, 2024, 6:34 AM
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You gotta stop the run. Thats first. Whatever it takes. Can’t stop the run, can’t win. It’s not so much about Wes in game. This front 7 lacks gap discipline and edge discipline. They lack fundamental tackling skill. Teaching this is top down. Dabo has to insist on it and Wes has to deliver.
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Maybe because he's the Defensive Coordinator?
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Dec 22, 2024, 10:40 AM
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He also coaches linebackers...who tend to look lost.
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